Oceans were the hottest ever recorded in 2022

Perry Phimosis said:
The ONLY reason YOU know climate changes over the earth's history is the work of what are called Paleoclimatologists. They have spent decades understanding how the earth's climate NATURALLY changes. And they have learned a LOT about the NATURAL FORCING mechanisms.

Now we can't explain the warming we've seen over the last 60-100 years using ONLY the natural forcings. We have to start factoring in what humans are doing.

So in the end the people who taught you the earth's climate changes naturally almost all believe that the current warming is due at least 50% or more to human activity.

Here's an IPCC graphic that shows the effect. Scientists took temperature data from 1850 to the 2000's and they tried to explain the warming by looking at the effects of NATURAL FORCINGS ALONE, but the data doesn't fit perfectly. But when you bring in HUMAN FORCINGS (eg greenhouse gases, landuse changes, industrialization, etc) suddenly the data MAKES SENSE.

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THAT IS ALL A BUNCH OF HORSE CRAP. NO ONE BELIEVES YOUR TEMPERATURE DATA. THE EXPERTS ARE LYING AGAIN.
 
Perry Phimosis said:
This is SORT OF true. Yes the carbon we burn was at one point CO2 in the atmosphere which got "fixed" by bacteria and plants and algae. But here's the important bit: we are re-releasing all that carbon back into the atmosphere MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH faster than it took to sequester it initially out of the atmosphere. That carbon took millions of years to accumulate and sit out of the carbon cycle. We are releasing it back into the atmosphere at a SHOCKING rate compared to how long it took to accumulate.

Think of drinking water. Drinking water is good, especially if you are thirsty and your body is needing hydration. But if you drank an amount of water that you would normally take in over the span of 6 months an drank all that water in an hour it would kill you.
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Too fast? ... at the end of the last ice age, the planet warmed so quickly that sea level rose at an average rate of 4 ft. per century for a period of 10,000 years (400 ft.). As oceans warmed, CO2 was released at a "shocking" rate ... given the strength of Early CO2.


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The Earth is currently in its 3rd Ice House. The coldest it has been in 260 million years.

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And CO2 has a logarithmically Decreasing impact. At about 800 ppm, additional CO2 has very little effect.

Let me add that plants start to go extinct at about 185 ppm. Which the planet was very close to hitting that mark.
 
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Bigdog said:
Too fast? ... at the end of the last ice age, the planet warmed so quickly that sea level rose at an average rate of 4 ft. per century for a period of 10,000 years. As oceans warmed, CO2 was released at a "shocking" rate.


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The Earth is currently in its 3rd Ice House. The coldest it has been in 260 million years. And CO2 has a logarithmically Decreasing impact. At about 800 ppm, additional CO2 has very little effect.


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When are you going to take on the Nazis big man?

You're a fucking pussy.
 
Nice charts.

Oceans were the hottest ever recorded in 2022.

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Anybody seen grandma ?
 
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Bigdog said:
Too fast? ... at the end of the last ice age, the planet warmed so quickly that sea level rose at an average rate of 4 ft. per century for a period of 10,000 years (400 ft.). As oceans warmed, CO2 was released at a "shocking" rate ... given the strength of Early CO2.
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I must also point out that after the last ice age there was something called ISOSTATIC REBOUND which is an effect that happens on continental plates in which a load, like a giant ice sheet, when it suddenly goes away, the land tends to rise back up. That's because the tectonic plates are sitting on top of what is called the AESTHENOSPHERE which is the portion of the upper mantle which has a more plastic consistency. So when there is a heavy load (ie ice sheet) it presses the continental plate down into the aesthenosphere and when the ice melts the plate rises again.

The sea level change is a function of both melting but also due to isostatic changes in the land.

But even then it isn't really important how fast that climate changed, it was long before humans were in civilizations and had set cities. And it had nothing to do with human activities meaning there was nothing anyone could have done to alter the course of affairs.

That is not the case now.

And CO2 has a logarithmically Decreasing impact. At about 800 ppm, additional CO2 has very little effect.
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Yes CO2's forcing is logarithmic but it is not zero. And if we were at or near equilibrium that might make a difference. There's a LOT of additional warming that can and will happen with more greenhouse gases. And I might point out that other forcings from other gases are not quite the same as CO2.

Let me add that plants start to go extinct at about 185 ppm. Which the planet was very close to hitting that mark.
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And entire ecosystems can be destroyed by a couple degrees change in overall global temperature.
 
Perry Phimosis said:
I must also point out that after the last ice age there was something called ISOSTATIC REBOUND which is an effect that happens on continental plates in which a load, like a giant ice sheet, when it suddenly goes away, the land tends to rise back up. That's because the tectonic plates are sitting on top of what is called the AESTHENOSPHERE which is the portion of the upper mantle which has a more plastic consistency. So when there is a heavy load (ie ice sheet) it presses the continental plate down into the aesthenosphere and when the ice melts the plate rises again.

The sea level change is a function of both melting but also due to isostatic changes in the land.

But even then it isn't really important how fast that climate changed, it was long before humans were in civilizations and had set cities. And it had nothing to do with human activities meaning there was nothing anyone could have done to alter the course of affairs.

That is not the case now.



Yes CO2's forcing is logarithmic but it is not zero. And if we were at or near equilibrium that might make a difference. There's a LOT of additional warming that can and will happen with more greenhouse gases. And I might point out that other forcings from other gases are not quite the same as CO2.




And entire ecosystems can be destroyed by a couple degrees change in overall global temperature.
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I'm aware of all that, thank you. Parts of some continents are still rising. We have a lot more environmental problems than just life-giving CO2 which get almost zero press now. There is little financial profit in "solving" them, so they take a backseat to CO2 hysteria.

Your "warming too fast" argument does not hold weight when compared to the recent geological record.

Early man changed the albedo of a whole continent, Australia.

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Another Ice Age will destroy many more ecosystems, and would be catastrophic for humanity.
 
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ISOSTATIC REBOUND isn't all bad. As the Arctic ice melts so the eastern end of the European plate , relieved of mass, is rising. On the western end of this see-saw, the Brits are sinking beneath the waves.

And so I say to the forum Denier Monkey- ta, ta, maggot.


Haw, haw...................................haw.
 
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