The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam

[Hawkeye10]

By stuck I mean there is nothing happening.....there are no talks scheduled......there are no ceasefires although the Russians are currently not hitting Ukraine energy system targets but they will, because NATO never honored the deal.

As the Duran points out the Russians tend to hit Ukraine energy only about once every month....they like to do intel and then do large strikes ....the next one will happen on schedule.

 

[Scott]

Although walking away would have been the right thing to do, but Trump went with the fiction that this is a war between Russian and Ukraine and tried to build on top of that the Trump is a Peacemaker brand by playing the role of negotiating a deal between them....

And now he is stuck, because the Russians are not willing to play that con game, they want what they have always wanted, a negotiated deal between NATO (Which is America, the Europeans dont matter) and Russia.

I think we can agree that a real peacemaker can't be funding one side of the conflict. For a brief moment in time, Trump actually -did- stop funding Zelensky's regime, but alas, that time period ended all too soon. I still think that Trump's put more effort into looking for a peace deal in the past 2 months then the Biden Administration put into the last 3 years, but alas, the bar is pretty low. At this point, I'd be happy if Trump can at least manage to not escalate things to nuclear war. It seems there was a point in time when the Biden Administration almost got to that point:

SCOTT RITTER: 72 Minutes

Last weekend, the world came very close to nuclear war. By Scott Ritter Special to Consortium News Most Americans approached last weekend thinking about how they would spend the much-anticipated end of the work week with their friends and family. Few realize how close they came to actualiz

consortiumnews.com

Like I said, the bar is just so low.

 

[Scott]

By stuck I mean there is nothing happening.....there are no talks scheduled......there are no ceasefires although the Russians are currently not hitting Ukraine energy system targets but they will, because NATO never honored the deal.

As the Duran points out the Russians tend to hit Ukraine energy only about once every month....they like to do intel and then do large strikes ....the next one will happen on schedule.

It may well be that the only negotiations for a while to come will be what a Star Wars film called "aggressive negotiations".

 

[Hawkeye10]

I think we can agree that a real peacemaker can't be funding one side of the conflict. For a brief moment in time, Trump actually -did- stop funding Zelensky's regime, but alas, that time period ended all too soon. I still think that Trump's put more effort into looking for a peace deal in the past 2 months then the Biden Administration put into the last 3 years, but alas, the bar is pretty low. At this point, I'd be happy if Trump can at least manage to not escalate things to nuclear war. It seems there was a point in time when the Biden Administration almost got to that point:

SCOTT RITTER: 72 Minutes

Last weekend, the world came very close to nuclear war. By Scott Ritter Special to Consortium News Most Americans approached last weekend thinking about how they would spend the much-anticipated end of the work week with their friends and family. Few realize how close they came to actualiz

consortiumnews.com

Like I said, the bar is just so low.

Not just funding, we are actively directing and facilitating military operations,....this is our war..... the idea that we supply stuff and the Ukrainians decide what to do with it is fiction.

 

[Hawkeye10]

It may well be that the only negotiations for a while to come will be what a Star Wars film called "aggressive negotiations".

I dont know what that is, but the Russians are saying that they will drive on till they get to our capitulation, and my grapevine tends to think that the American humiliation in Ukraine..... one of the worst military miscalculations of all time....will once the world processes it be the end of the American Empire.

Which may well be why Washington, to include Trump, continues to be unwilling to admit that we lost.

 

[Margot]

And you're a 34 times moron.

Deflection

 

[Margot]

Nope. The judge broke the law. He should be disbarred and civilly sued.

Jury found him guilty

 

[Margot]

The reason I brought up all of this history is to provide some context as to why Trump wouldn't be as interested as Biden in continuing the war in Ukraine. That doesn't mean that the United States' will stop contributing financial and military support, only that I believe it is waning. As to your notion that we either support Putin or Ukraine, I disagree. I think one can easily support or at least understand Putin's reasons for starting Russia's military operation in Ukraine as well as be supporting of regular Ukrainians in Ukraine as well. What I am -not- supportive of is the warmongers who are the cause of this war.

It has frequently been said in the western mainstream media that Russia's incursion into Ukraine was "unprovoked". Do you believe this?

Trump wants Ukraine minerals ,and the Pee tape from Putin

 

[Scott]

It may well be that the only negotiations for a while to come will be what a Star Wars film called "aggressive negotiations".

I dont know what that is

It just means fighting as a way of negotiating. I have heard that Russia does this as a matter of course.

the Russians are saying that they will drive on till they get to our capitulation, and my grapevine tends to think that the American humiliation in Ukraine..... one of the worst military miscalculations of all time....will once the world processes it be the end of the American Empire.

Which may well be why Washington, to include Trump, continues to be unwilling to admit that we lost.

Initially, Trump seemed to be considering the possibility of just walking away the United States' part in the Ukraine conflict. The peak point of this was when he stopped financing Ukraine. Then this lopsided "peace offer" was suggested- Putin did the best he could with it by not outright rejecting it while still pointing out its flaws, but it now looks like Trump will continue to fund the Ukraine war for a while. The longer he does it, the more Biden's quagmire will become his.

 

[Scott]

Trump wants Ukraine minerals ,and the Pee tape from Putin

Ukraine minerals, sure. As I've said previously, I've yet to see any solid evidence that this "pee tape" actually exists. I strongly suspect it's just one more piece of Russiagate:

FBI still hiding key Russiagate details

Interesting article just published on Aaron Mate's substack today. For those who haven't heard of Aaron Mate, here's his Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Maté Quoting the introduction to Aaron Maté's article below: ** FBI still hiding key Russiagate details, newly released docu...

repolitics.com

 

[Margot]

Ukraine minerals, sure. As I've said previously, I've yet to see any solid evidence that this "pee tape" actually exists. I strongly suspect it's just one more piece of Russiagate:

FBI still hiding key Russiagate details

Interesting article just published on Aaron Mate's substack today. For those who haven't heard of Aaron Mate, here's his Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Maté Quoting the introduction to Aaron Maté's article below: ** FBI still hiding key Russiagate details, newly released docu...

repolitics.com

I think there is a pee tape! I saw Trump warning his boys that
"The Russians have cameras and microphones everywhere.

 

[LurchAddams]

You might be dumb enough to believe this.

It doesn't take intelligence to notice trump's tiny boner whenever he's in a room with Putin. So either you're an idiot or a liar. Hey, why choose? You're both!

Also, suck my dick, you sorry beta-boy.

 

[Hawkeye10]

It just means fighting as a way of negotiating. I have heard that Russia does this as a matter of course.



Initially, Trump seemed to be considering the possibility of just walking away the United States' part in the Ukraine conflict. The peak point of this was when he stopped financing Ukraine. Then this lopsided "peace offer" was suggested- Putin did the best he could with it by not outright rejecting it while still pointing out its flaws, but it now looks like Trump will continue to fund the Ukraine war for a while. The longer he does it, the more Biden's quagmire will become his.

The Ukraine Debacle now belongs to Trump, and the Gaza Genocide....maybe soon too will the spectacularly huge mistake the war with Iran and its friends.....as with the Debacle in Iraq and the Debacle in Vietnam launched on a lie.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Trump could have taken a 30-60-90 day pause and come back with "I and the best experts have taken a look at it, this Ukraine war is moronic, America is pulling out".

But that is not what he did.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I fear that the Swamp sold Trump "Peace Through Strength" intending it to be the rope he hangs himself with.

So far this looks to be true.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Withs odes to Bret: "Each time I think I understand how corrupt and how treasonous and for how long Washington has been I find out that I still have not solved my over optimism problem".

 

[Hawkeye10]

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Americans have woken up to the insanity Biden supported in Ukraine. The Nazis. The thieves. The killers of US journalists whose only crime was to warn you. Russia is not and has never been your enemy. That is now absolutely clear.

 

[Into the Night]

You seem to have memory issues.

2 weeks was the plan.

Welcome to the US. I hope the rest of your first day goes well.

What '2 week lockdown'???

 

[Hawkeye10]

Little by little Regime Media is telling the truth about our latest in a long list of lost wars:

TG 1848: "New York Times" Non-Scoop: U.S. Was Involved In Ukraine Wr From The Start​

 

[EdwinA]

Little by little Regime Media is telling the truth about our latest in a long list of lost wars:

TG 1848: "New York Times" Non-Scoop: U.S. Was Involved In Ukraine Wr From The Start​

We got involved in the 1990's, when we joined with NATO countries and Russia to guarantee Ukrainian independence in exchange for giving up their nukes. Tums out they should have kept them, and no Russian invasions would have ever happened. Russian thugs only get all belligerent n shit with countries they can bully, like all gangster thugs. Of course, you and the other Ivans can't admit that, you need these other stupid ridiculous narratives to finger each other's asses with.