If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[Into the Night]

I am NOT talking about a belief in Santa. Not sure why you are, but no telling what religionists or atheists will do to make their blind guesses seem like something more than that.

I said at the beginning of this (what shall I call it) "conversation" that I do not have enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess about whether any gods exist.

That is a question that deals with the ultimate REALITY of existence.

You want me to deal with whether Santa Claus exists or not.

Son...you ought to stick with comic books...and leave complex discussions to adults.

You already have violated Rule #1 of the Debating Atheists manifesto...when you said that a "belief that no gods exist is a dictionary definition of atheism." You do more damage to your side than good.

What next? Leprechauns, fairies? What?

Atheism isn't a 'blind guess'. It's not a guess at all. It is simply lack of a religion. ZenMode is not an atheist. He is a fundamentalist in the Church of No God, the Church of Covid, the Church of Global Warming, the Church of Green, and the Church of the Ozone Hole.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, Jesus the man existed. I'm talking about the being that is God/divine Jesus.

No, you are talking about Santa.

 

[Into the Night]

So, you're saying that Santa, the guy pulled around by flying reindeer on Christmas Eve, delivering toys to children around the world, existed?

He certainly does, in a Coca-Cola ad, numerous stories and songs, and in the minds of children everywhere. You cannot make that just go away.

 

[ZenMode]

No, you are talking about Santa.

Derp.

Go jerk off somewhere else.

 

[ZenMode]

in the minds of children everywhere

Derp. Go jerk off somewhere else.

I've no time for your word games.

 

[Into the Night]

You can't make things true by saying them....

Now you are trying to say that none of these religions exist????

You can't make any of them just disappear, Void.

 

[Into the Night]

Derp.

Go jerk off somewhere else.

Now you aren't talking about anything at all. You can't blame your word games or your religions on me or anybody else.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Sure. What reasoning are you using to confidently write off fairies, Leprechauns and Santa, but not gods?

Hey...what about the Easter Bunny.

Get with it!

 

[ZenMode]

Hey...what about the Easter Bunny.

I agree!

Explain your reasoning for all of them....

 

[Ross Dolan]

I agree!

Explain your reasoning....

You want me to "explain" why I treat the question of "What is the true nature of the REALITY of existence?" differently from the question, "Do fairies, leprechauns, the Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus exist?"

You really do, don't you?

You are nuts, Zen. A raving lunatic.

But I enjoy you. I'm going to draw this out for as long as possible to get as much out of it as possible.

 

[Monad Portal]

I never saw him 'write off' anything (other than Trump).

do you believe in unicorns?

if not, why not?

(10 points, show your work)

 

[Monad Portal]

Hey...what about the Easter Bunny.

Get with it!

yes you're a fucking imbecile.

that's the hot take.

 

[Monad Portal]

No such thing.

Redefinition fallacy (communist<->atheist).
Communism is a form of socialism. It is government ownership of markets.
Atheism is simply a lack of a religion. There is no need to be 'militant' about it.

you're a fucking idiot.

 

[ZenMode]

Now you are trying to say that none of these religions exist????

You can't make any of them just disappear, Void.

Neither the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, the tooth fairy or your gods exist because children believe in them.

 

[Into the Night]

Neither the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, the tooth fairy or your gods exist because children believe in them.

They all do.
You can't make that just go away either.

 

[ZenMode]

They all do.
You can't make that just go away either.

No, they don't. You are either trolling or insane.

 

[Into the Night]

You can't make a child's belief just go away, Void.
You can't make any evidence just disappear.
You can't prove any of your religions True.
You can't prove that no god or gods exist.
You can't make church and civil records just disappear.
You can't make any news article just disappear.
You can't prove that Christianity is False.

You have tried every usual pivot fallacy. It won't work. You cannot disprove any god or gods by bringing up Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, fairies in general, or unicorns.

You cannot prove your religion True. You cannot prove that no god or gods exist.

You cannot conduct ANY proof by using insults.

 

[ZenMode]

You can't make a child's belief just go away, Void.
You can't make any evidence just disappear.
You can't prove any of your religions True.
You can't prove that no god or gods exist.
You can't make church and civil records just disappear.
You can't make any news article just disappear.
You can't prove that Christianity is False.

You have tried every usual pivot fallacy. It won't work. You cannot disprove any god or gods by bringing up Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, fairies in general, or unicorns.

You cannot prove your religion True. You cannot prove that no god or gods exist.

You cannot conduct ANY proof by using insults.

Belief doesn't create reality.

Again, you already know this but insist on playing dumb.

 

[Into the Night]

Belief doesn't create reality.

Yes it does. Go learn what 'real' means and how it's defined. Buzzword fallacy.

Again, you already know this but insist on playing dumb.

Random phrase. No apparent coherency. YARP

 

[ZenMode]

Yes it does. Go learn what 'real' means and how it's defined. Buzzword fallacy.

Random phrase. No apparent coherency. YARP

No it doesn't. Belief that the Earth is flat does not make the Earth flat. Stop playing dumb.