SAVE America passes test vote 51-48!

T. A. Gardner said:
Which part of IT IS NOT SOCIETY'S PROBLEM did you not understand. Stupid, lazy, or retarded on your part is not a problem on society's part. SUCH IDIOTS DISENFRANCHIZED THEMSELVES! If you are that terminally stupid, you probably shouldn't be voting anyway.

I already demonstrated you don't need a passport. Getting a birth certificate, assuming you were stupid enough to lose yours, is not a serious problem unless you are STUPID!
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In a “society” whose political framework, whose reputation as a nation, is based upon democratic values, extending the vote, not restricting it, is a defining trait. And I don’t think not being able to produce a birth certificate is a sign of stupidity

You got to be kidding, I’d wager heavily that if you asked all Americans over the age of say twenty five if they possessed their birth certificate they’d even laugh at the question. Obtaining a new birth certificate takes weeks, and the Safe Act would require those that say got married, who changed their name, to obtain a new birth certificate, and don’t get married in October, you ain’t voting

And for what? To “correct” a nonexistent “problem?”
 
archives said:
In a “society” whose political framework, whose reputation as a nation, is based upon democratic values, extending the vote, not restricting it, is a defining trait. And I don’t think not being able to produce a birth certificate is a sign of stupidity
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Self-reliance and personal responsibility are hallmarks of a strong society. A birth certificate is an important document just as for a veteran their DD 214 is. Is an automobile title an important document? How about your mortgage and deed paperwork if you own a home?

It is a sign of stupidity that you are careless or lazy enough to simply lose such documents. So, it is clear that, yes, you don't think.
archives said:
You got to be kidding, I’d wager heavily that if you asked all Americans over the age of say twenty five if they possessed their birth certificate they’d even laugh at the question. Obtaining a new birth certificate takes weeks, and the Safe Act would require those that say got married, who changed their name, to obtain a new birth certificate, and don’t get married in October, you ain’t voting
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Then we are raising a generation of idiots. If it takes weeks to obtain a copy of your birth certificate, so what? You have months to register to vote. Or are you claiming that waiting until the day before an election to do so should be tolerated by society. Should society encourage such myopic planning, sloth, and stupidity?


archives said:
And for what? To “correct” a nonexistent “problem?”
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That is just a thought terminating cliche in the form of an argument from ignorance.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Self-reliance and personal responsibility are hallmarks of a strong society. A birth certificate is an important document just as for a veteran their DD 214 is. Is an automobile title an important document? How about your mortgage and deed paperwork if you own a home?

It is a sign of stupidity that you are careless or lazy enough to simply lose such documents. So, it is clear that, yes, you don't think.


Then we are raising a generation of idiots. If it takes weeks to obtain a copy of your birth certificate, so what? You have months to register to vote. Or are you claiming that waiting until the day before an election to do so should be tolerated by society. Should society encourage such myopic planning, sloth, and stupidity?



That is just a thought terminating cliche in the form of an argument from ignorance.
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You are in never never land, most people do not posses a birth certificate, why would they, when was it ever required? All those other documents are useful, a birth certificate is not

Exactly, weeks, if you don’t have one by the end of September, you ain’t voting, and as I said, if you had a fall marriage or changed addresses, you also could be out of luck

And, for probably the ninth time, for what? Voter Fraud is nearly nonexistent, so why create unnecessary hurdles to voting?
 
archives said:
You are in never never land, most people do not posses a birth certificate, why would they, when was it ever required? All those other documents are useful, a birth certificate is not
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I have two. One is wallet sized. I used that one to enlist in the Navy. Yes, you have to provide a birth certificate for that. I used it again to get a passport.
Today, you need one to get a Real ID. Don't have a Real ID? You are paying $45 every time you go through TSA screening at the airport. So, you are, as usual, full of shit.
archives said:
Exactly, weeks, if you don’t have one by the end of September, you ain’t voting, and as I said, if you had a fall marriage or changed addresses, you also could be out of luck
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That's on you. Plan ahead. Change of address is online now if it's in the same state.

For my state:


You are full of shit, again.
archives said:
And, for probably the ninth time, for what? Voter Fraud is nearly nonexistent, so why create unnecessary hurdles to voting?
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This is an irrelevant appeal in the form of trivial objections. Mass voter fraud has existed in the past, Tammany Hall / Boss Tweed for example. Therefore, mass voter fraud could exist undetected today. Adding protections to help prevent it is never a bad idea.
 
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