1 in 7 still undecided????

Yeah - I read that earlier.

I'm not sure why these people even vote; they don't seem to really be paying attention. It's weird that they are the ones who pretty much decide this thing every 4 years....
 
I don't know, I tend to defend the undecideds particularly in this election.

McCain and Obama are both good Americans who would make competent Presidents and their policy differences are not particularly significant. I can understand not being decided.

It tends to only be extremists who see the choice for President as an obvious one.
 
Solitary said:
Someone said that they think its just people who say that so pollsters will leave them alone.

I tend to believe that. If you haven't made up your mind by now you don't need to vote.
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The question is "Will they vote?" I think that folks who think voting is really important made up thier mind months ago.
 
Epicurus said:
I don't know, I tend to defend the undecideds particularly in this election.

McCain and Obama are both good Americans who would make competent Presidents and their policy differences are not particularly significant. I can understand not being decided.

It tends to only be extremists who see the choice for President as an obvious one.
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That's a stretch, Epi. For anyone paying attention, Obama & McCain represent 2 vastly different Americas, with 2 very different sets of priorities, on a wide range of issues: taxes, war, education, energy policy, college tuition...you name it. I would hardly call their differences insignificant.
 
I would say their differences are primarily more personality than policy. As far as personalities go, they definitely represent two different Americas.

I'm not saying that they are identical on policy, but they are similar. Both of them supported the bailout, talk ambiguously about eventual withdrawal from Iraq, caved on FISA, and submit farcical, unattainable budget and tax policies.

They may not be identical, but they are not vastly different either.
 
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Epicurus said:
I would say their differences are primarily more personality than policy. As far as personalities go, they definitely represent two different Americas.

I'm not saying that they are identical on policy, but they are similar. Both of them supported the bailout, talk ambiguously about eventual withdrawal from Iraq, caved on FISA, and submit farcical, unattainable budget and tax policies.

They may not be identical, but they are not vastly different either.
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You're basically saying that since they're talking about the same stuff they are the same regardless of what they are actually saying. That's not terribly smart. I think I know what you mean, basically that neither is where you want them to be on the issues, but that does not mean that they are therefore the same.
 
Maybe they just can't decide between 4 more years of Bushisms and the destruction of our nation, or the beginning of socialism and marxism as a fundamental government in this country.
 
Dungheap said:
You're basically saying that since they're talking about the same stuff they are the same regardless of what they are actually saying. That's not terribly smart. I think I know what you mean, basically that neither is where you want them to be on the issues, but that does not mean that they are therefore the same.
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It does to some people who seem them equally far away from where they'd like to see them on the issues.

BTW - I am not undecided, I have long ago decided not to vote for either of these two.
 
Dungheap said:
You're basically saying that since they're talking about the same stuff they are the same regardless of what they are actually saying. That's not terribly smart. I think I know what you mean, basically that neither is where you want them to be on the issues, but that does not mean that they are therefore the same.
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Like I said, I admit I'm painting with broad strokes here. I'm not trying to pretend that they are identical.

I just feel like on the major issues they are both intentionally vague and general when they advance their solutions, so that if there is a difference between them on issues like the bailout it is difficult to see. Mostly what they seem to do is use different rhetoric to justify the same position.

There are certainly issues where they have striking disagreements. Mostly it is the rabid supporters on both sides that seem to be in agreement that if the "other guy" wins the nation is doomed. The mind of a nutball partisan works the same whether they are D or R.
 
The article that I read this morning about the undecideds suggested that these tend to represent the people who are not very well informed about the platforms or the issues or the whole political situation as a whole. That was reflected in some of their comments quoted in the article.

Really, if you haven't paid attention until now, why vote? I'd want to be as well informed as possible!
 
Epicurus said:
I would say their differences are primarily more personality than policy. As far as personalities go, they definitely represent two different Americas.

I'm not saying that they are identical on policy, but they are similar. Both of them supported the bailout, talk ambiguously about eventual withdrawal from Iraq, caved on FISA, and submit farcical, unattainable budget and tax policies.

They may not be identical, but they are not vastly different either.
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Obama and McCain are a lot further apart than Kerry and Bush or Gore and Bush. Obama will definitely be the most liberal president since LBJ - but that isn't really saying much. I see Obama more like how Eisenhower was a dynamic conservative in the age of liberalism than like an FDR, who completely turned around the political seen.
 
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