54% Say Passing No Healthcare Reform Better Than Passing Congressional Plan

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Saturday, August 15, 2009
Thirty-five percent (35%) of American voters say passage of the bill currently working its way through Congress would be better than not passing any health care reform legislation this year. However, a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that most voters (54%) say no health care reform passed by Congress this year would be the better option.


This does not mean that most voters are opposed to health care reform. But it does highlight the level of concern about the specific proposals that Congressional Democrats have approved in a series of Committees. To this point, there has been no Republican support for the legislative effort although the Senate Finance Committee is still attempting to seek a bi-partisan solution.


Not surprisingly, there is a huge partisan divide on this issue. Sixty percent (60%) of Democrats say passing the legislation in Congress would be the best course of action. However, 80% of Republicans take the opposite view. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 23% would like the Congressional reform to pass while 66% would rather the legislators take no action.


Voters who earn less than $20,000 a year are evenly divided but a majority of all other voters would prefer no action. Middle income voters, those who earn from $40,000 to $75,000 a year, are most strongly in favor of taking no action.

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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...reform_better_than_passing_congressional_plan
 
This does not mean that most voters are opposed to health care reform.
 
DNC said:
This does not mean that most voters are opposed to health care reform.
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we are not against a reasonable reform of some sort, just not this fake crisis hostile take over of our health care by the Progressives in office right now...

must make you sad, eh
 
This is no surprise, since so many now think they'll be subjected to death panels who will sentence them to hard labor.

Be proud, meme. Lies work. Fear works.
 
We’re going to pass health insurance reform that finally holds the insurance companies accountable.

But now’s the hard part. Because the history is clear – every time we come close to passing health insurance reform, the special interests with a stake in the status quo use their influence and political allies to scare and mislead the American people.

As an example, let’s look at one of the scarier-sounding and more ridiculous rumors out there, that so-called “death panels” would decide whether senior citizens get to live or die. That rumor began with the distortion of one idea in a Congressional bill that would allow Medicare to cover voluntary visits with your doctor to discuss your end-of-life care, if and only if you decide to have those visits.

It had nothing to do with putting government in control of your decisions; in fact, it would give you all the information you need, if you want it, to put you in control of your decisions. When a conservative Republican Senator who has long-fought for even more far-reaching proposals found out how folks were twisting the idea, he called their misrepresentation, and I quote, “nuts.”

Those who would stand in the way of reform will say almost anything to scare you about the cost of action. But they won’t say much about the cost of inaction. If you’re worried about rationed care, higher costs, denied coverage or bureaucrats getting between you and your doctor, then you should know that’s what’s happening right now.

In the past three years, over 12 million Americans were discriminated against by insurance companies due to a preexisting condition, or saw their coverage denied or dropped just when they got sick and needed it most.

Americans whose jobs and health care are secure today just don’t know if they’ll be next to join the 14,000 who lose their health insurance every single day.

And if we don’t act, average family premiums will keep rising to more than $22,000 within a decade.

On the other hand, here’s what reform will mean for you:

First, no matter what you’ve heard, if you like your doctor or health care plan, you can keep it.

If you don’t have insurance, you’ll finally be able to afford insurance. And everyone will have the security and stability that’s missing today.

Insurance companies will be prohibited from denying you coverage because of your medical history, dropping your coverage if you get sick, or watering down your coverage when it counts, because there’s no point in having health insurance if it’s not there when you need it.

Insurance companies will no longer be able to place some arbitrary cap on the amount of coverage you can receive in a given year or lifetime, and we will place a limit on how much you can be charged for out-of-pocket expenses, because no one in America should go broke just because they get sick.

Finally, we’ll require insurance companies to cover routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies – because there’s no reason we shouldn’t be saving lives and dollars by catching diseases like breast cancer and prostate cancer on the front end.

That’s what reform means. For all the chatter and the noise out there, what every American needs to know is this: If you don’t have health insurance, you will finally have quality, affordable options once we pass reform. If you do have health insurance, we will make sure that no insurance company or government bureaucrat gets between you and the care that you need. And we will deliver this in a fiscally responsible way.

I know there’s plenty of real concern and skepticism out there. I know that in a time of economic upheaval, the idea of change can be unsettling, and I know that there are folks who believe that government should have no role at all in solving our problems.

Nearly fifty years ago, in the midst of the noisy early battles to create what would become Medicare, President Kennedy said, “I refuse to see us live on the accomplishments of another generation.

I refuse to see this country, and all of us, shrink from these struggles which are our responsibility in our time.”
 
Onceler said:
This is no surprise, since so many now think they'll be subjected to death panels who will sentence them to hard labor.

Be proud, meme. Lies work. Fear works.
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oh what, like the lies your party and fear mongering they have been doing, if we don't pass this health care reform in a month, our country will fall apart...

I am damn proud if we stop this hostile take over of our health care by the commies..

cheer up mate..
 
http://healthcareforamericanow.org/
Our targets are Members of Congress who must vote “yes” for this bill. Our targets are not the right-wing extremists.

The small, lobbyist-funded right-wing is trying to scare Members of Congress and the American public away from supporting health care reform. We don’t need to be reactive or feel pressure to answer their accusations point by point. Instead, we should treat them as agents of the insurance lobbyists who want to maintain the status quo.

We can dismiss their radical rhetoric by circling back to the basic things that we know most people care about, affordability, access, and quality.

The targets of these attacks are Members of Congress. Those Members are also our targets. We need to use these attacks as opportunities to work with the Members in ways that build our relationship in the field and bring us together as allies in health care reform. Members will more receptive to partnering with us if they know we will help them combat the opposition.

We are closer to passing health care reform than we've ever been in the history of this country, and the opposition knows it.

We can't let fear win. America has been at the mercy of the insurance industry from too long. We need health care reform now, and we can't wait any longer.
 
meme said:
oh what, like the lies your party and fear mongering they have been doing, if we don't pass this health care reform in a month, our country will fall apart...

I am damn proud if we stop this hostile take over of our health care by the commies..

cheer up mate..
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Well, what's the plan then?

You say Obama "concocted" this crisis. You're wrong. Healthcare is as much of a timebomb as Social Security. It's unsustainable in its current form.
 
Onceler said:
Well, what's the plan then?

You say Obama "concocted" this crisis. You're wrong. Healthcare is as much of a timebomb as Social Security. It's unsustainable in its current form.
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if so, then we can take our time and fix it the right way..not turn it over into the Federal Governments hands, especially this crooked and corrupted administration...

you've seen thing we have suggested, I'm not getting into that game again with you..
 
Give your member of Congress a call and ask them to support health care reform.
 
meme said:
if so, then we can take our time and fix it the right way..not turn it over into the Federal Governments hands, especially this crooked and corrupted administration...

you've seen thing we have suggested, I'm not getting into that game again with you..
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Yeah..."cutting costs." Good, hard-hitting & very specific plan.

You won't do anything. More companies will drop insurance, more people will lose it & not be able to afford it, and the insurance companies will continue to do exactly what you are now complaining the gov't will do - getting between people & their doctor, denying coverage and making life/death decisions without even knowing the patient.
 
DNC said:
This does not mean that most voters are opposed to health care reform.
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We understand that. It does show that starting over is very much something the legislators should move on. When most Americans believe that what is proposed and was being pushed for a vote by the end of July is worse than doing absolutely nothing you are doing something wrong. The majority of these people voted for Obama, yet they believe that it is worse to do what he pushed for passing there's something stronger going on.
 
Onceler said:
Yeah..."cutting costs." Good, hard-hitting & very specific plan.

You won't do anything. More companies will drop insurance, more people will lose it & not be able to afford it, and the insurance companies will continue to do exactly what you are now complaining the gov't will do - getting between people & their doctor, denying coverage and making life/death decisions without even knowing the patient.
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ooo, those big bad businesses is your Progressives reasons for turning over all our heath care for a so called 47 million uninsured people to the Federal Government...talk about fear mongering...you fail, the people win..
 
DNC said:
Winning quality, affordable health care for all is about more than having the right principles. You need a plan to win.

http://healthcareforamericanow.org/site/content/steps_to_win/
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To do nothing is going to cost the US more than passing the ground floor and working our way to perfection! Why don't they give America the health care they enjoy!

45 million Americans are without health care. This amount of people is a country. If they were tsunami victims would we come to their aide? We now have an international health assistance agency coming to Americans to fix their teeth, give them eye glasses and basic care.

It is shameful to me. We do not even aide our own. Where is Christian charity to help these people? We can raise millions to aide the families of the 911 victims, but we can't give our own who need help in the most basic ways aide?

What is wrong with this picture?

How much do we give Israel a year in aide? Could that pay for the state of Alabama to get their teeth fixed?
 
Onceler said:
Healthcare is as much of a timebomb as Social Security. It's unsustainable in its current form.
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I fully agree with this point. However, the current "solution" being proposed is not going to make things any better - all it is going to do, ultimately, is add 2-3 additional layers of bureaucracy, make insurance more expensive overall (there is a reason most medical policies include a pre-existing condition clause) and add vast expenses to the government which can only be offset with an equally massive tax plan (I love how the dems claim it is going to be budget neutral, but aren't advertising where the money to cover all their crap is going to be coming from. (ie: it ain't gonna be only the rich - forcing people to accept their employer's benefit plan and then taxing it to boot will be a double whammy as they suddenly have the added expense of the employee contribution, plus taxes on the employer's contribution.)

The plan does absolutely NOTHING to address the actual PROBLEMS facing the health care issue - that being out-of-control increases in health care costs. for the past three decades or more, health care costs have risen at several times the inflation rate. Insurance problems are a direct result of out of control costs - as costs soar, insurance companies are forced to seek ways to reduce the burden on their policies. Therefore, pointing at insurance issues is barking up the wrong tree - it is a symptom, not the cause.

If health care had only risen at the rate of inflation there would BE no health care issue. Until we find a plan that researches and addresses the factors driving health care costs through the roof, no plan is going to make things any better in the long run. Or even the short run, fo that matter.
 
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