A private call of top Democrats fuels more insider anger about Biden's debate performance

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NEW YORK (AP) — A sense of concern is growing inside the top ranks of the Democratic Party that leaders of Joe Biden’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee are not taking seriously enough the impact of the president’s troubling debate performance earlier in the week.

DNC Chairman Jaime Harrison and Biden campaign manager Julie Chavez Rodriguez held a Saturday afternoon call with dozens of committee members across the country, a group of some of the most influential members of the party. They largely ignored Biden's weak showing Thursday night or the avalanche of criticism that followed.

Multiple committee members on the call, most granted anonymity to talk about the private discussion, described feeling like they were being gaslighted — that they were being asked to ignore the dire nature of the party’s predicament. The call, they said, may have worsened a widespread sense of panic among elected officials, donors and other stakeholders.

Instead, the people said, Harrison offered what they described as a rosy assessment of Biden's path forward. The chat function was disabled and there were no questions allowed.

“I was hoping for more of a substantive conversation instead of, ‘Hey, let’s go out there and just be cheerleaders,’ without actually addressing a very serious issue that unfolded on American television for millions of people to see," said Joe Salazar, an elected DNC member from Colorado, who was on the call. “There were a number of things that could have been said in addressing the situation. But we didn’t get that. We were being gaslit.”

Many donors, party strategists and rank-and-file DNC members are publicly and privately saying they want the 81-year-old Biden to step aside to allow the party to select a younger replacement at the Democratic National Convention in August. As of now, though, Biden's closest allies insist he remains well-positioned to compete against Republican Donald Trump and have given no indication they will push him to end his campaign.

Those best positioned to replace him — Vice President Kamala Harris, California Gov. Gavin Newsom and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer among them — reiterated their support for Biden after the debate.

Many are anxiously awaiting the first major round of post-debate public polling to determine their next steps.

Polls from CNN and 538/Ipsos conducted soon after the debate found that most debate-watchers thought Trump outperformed Biden. But the two men’s favorability ratings remained largely unchanged, just as they did in the aftermath of Trump’s conviction on charges in New York that he illegally participated in a hush money scheme to influence the 2016 election.

In a subsequent appearance on MSNBC, Harrison downplayed the significance of the conference call, which he said was part of a regularly scheduled communication “to talk about the state of the race” and the upcoming national convention with the DNC’s many elected members across the country.

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NEW YORK (AP) — A sense of concern is growing inside the top ranks of the Democratic Party that leaders of Joe Biden’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee are not taking seriously enough the impact of the president’s troubling debate performance earlier in the week.

DNC Chairman Jaime Harrison and Biden campaign manager Julie Chavez Rodriguez held a Saturday afternoon call with dozens of committee members across the country, a group of some of the most influential members of the party. They largely ignored Biden's weak showing Thursday night or the avalanche of criticism that followed.

Multiple committee members on the call, most granted anonymity to talk about the private discussion, described feeling like they were being gaslighted — that they were being asked to ignore the dire nature of the party’s predicament. The call, they said, may have worsened a widespread sense of panic among elected officials, donors and other stakeholders.

Instead, the people said, Harrison offered what they described as a rosy assessment of Biden's path forward. The chat function was disabled and there were no questions allowed.

“I was hoping for more of a substantive conversation instead of, ‘Hey, let’s go out there and just be cheerleaders,’ without actually addressing a very serious issue that unfolded on American television for millions of people to see," said Joe Salazar, an elected DNC member from Colorado, who was on the call. “There were a number of things that could have been said in addressing the situation. But we didn’t get that. We were being gaslit.”

Many donors, party strategists and rank-and-file DNC members are publicly and privately saying they want the 81-year-old Biden to step aside to allow the party to select a younger replacement at the Democratic National Convention in August. As of now, though, Biden's closest allies insist he remains well-positioned to compete against Republican Donald Trump and have given no indication they will push him to end his campaign.

Those best positioned to replace him — Vice President Kamala Harris, California Gov. Gavin Newsom and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer among them — reiterated their support for Biden after the debate.

Many are anxiously awaiting the first major round of post-debate public polling to determine their next steps.

Polls from CNN and 538/Ipsos conducted soon after the debate found that most debate-watchers thought Trump outperformed Biden. But the two men’s favorability ratings remained largely unchanged, just as they did in the aftermath of Trump’s conviction on charges in New York that he illegally participated in a hush money scheme to influence the 2016 election.

In a subsequent appearance on MSNBC, Harrison downplayed the significance of the conference call, which he said was part of a regularly scheduled communication “to talk about the state of the race” and the upcoming national convention with the DNC’s many elected members across the country.


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c'mon kenny, where is your support for the vegetable you have been singing the praises over for the past three years?
 
The Democrats should stick with Joe Biden despite the fact that he is old, tired, and did miserably at that "debate." He is infinitely better a choice for president than what the Republicans are offering. At this moment any alternative to Joe Biden will weaken the Democrats chances.
 
The Democrats should stick with Joe Biden despite the fact that he is old, tired, and did miserably at that "debate." He is infinitely better a choice for president than what the Republicans are offering. At this moment any alternative to Joe Biden will weaken the Democrats chances.
Yes, indeed. Some Democrats would rather attack their own party than attack Trump. Bunch of pussies.
 
The Democrats should stick with Joe Biden despite the fact that he is old, tired, and did miserably at that "debate." He is infinitely better a choice for president than what the Republicans are offering. At this moment any alternative to Joe Biden will weaken the Democrats chances.
Both of the candidates are old and tired, I wish we had better choices?!! Biden has a lot of work to do, to convince the American people he is up to a second term as president?!! I'm very concerned about Biden's performance in that debate, like a lot of other democrat's, it was painful to watch too?!! I don't want Biden to run on his pride and ego only, the consequences are too great!
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Both of the candidates are old and tired, I wish we had better choices?!! Biden has a lot of work to do, to convince the American people he is up to a second term as president?!! I'm very concerned about Biden's performance in that debate, like a lot of other democrat's, it was painful to watch too?!! I don't want Biden to run on his pride and ego only, the consequences are too great!
You help Trump get elected. Shame on you!
 
Both of the candidates are old and tired, I wish we had better choices?!! Biden has a lot of work to do, to convince the American people he is up to a second term as president?!! I'm very concerned about Biden's performance in that debate, like a lot of other democrat's, it was painful to watch too?!! I don't want Biden to run on his pride and ego only, the consequences are too great!
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I agree that Joe Biden's performance at the debate was bad. So was the performance of Trump.

In any case., either Joe Biden or Trump will be our president for the next four years.

I will do everything I can to insure it is not Trump.
 
I am shocked how many Democrats are campaigning for Trump now. It is disgusting.
Most, I suspect, are doing so inadvertently, Hume. But they are doing it.

Dissing Joe Biden, no matter how unwillingly, is helping Trump.

I wish Joe Biden had done better...but he did what he did. Changing horses right now would do much more damage than good for the Democrats.
 
Most, I suspect, are doing so inadvertently, Hume. But they are doing it.

Dissing Joe Biden, no matter how unwillingly, is helping Trump.

I wish Joe Biden had done better...but he did what he did. Changing horses right now would do much more damage than good for the Democrats.
The Philadelphia Inquirer wrote an editorial that TRUMP should withdraw.

Other pussy papers like NYTimes and Washington Post want Biden to leave.
 
Both of the candidates are old and tired, I wish we had better choices?!! Biden has a lot of work to do, to convince the American people he is up to a second term as president?!! I'm very concerned about Biden's performance in that debate, like a lot of other democrat's, it was painful to watch too?!! I don't want Biden to run on his pride and ego only, the consequences are too great!
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I'm ready to take bets on the September debate that trump will drop out of it. His ego will consider that he's already won the election and another debate is a waste of time.
 
Most, I suspect, are doing so inadvertently, Hume. But they are doing it.

Dissing Joe Biden, no matter how unwillingly, is helping Trump.

I wish Joe Biden had done better...but he did what he did. Changing horses right now would do much more damage than good for the Democrats.
I'll say it again. All these magats calling for Joe to drop out must be privately worried he can still beat trump despite his debate performance.
 
My first reaction was Joe failed at his job of showing the voters he is capable of 4 more years. I thought if he is doing this now, what will he do in 4 more years?
However, Trump is a crook, a felon, and a terrible liar. Joe should withdraw quickly. Letting it fester will not make it better.
 
My first reaction was Joe failed at his job of showing the voters he is capable of 4 more years. I thought if he is doing this now, what will he do in 4 more years?
However, Trump is a crook, a felon, and a terrible liar. Joe should withdraw quickly. Letting it fester will not make it better.
I saw the debate. Biden was not brilliant, but nothing like the extremists saying he should withdraw.
 
My first reaction was Joe failed at his job of showing the voters he is capable of 4 more years. I thought if he is doing this now, what will he do in 4 more years?
However, Trump is a crook, a felon, and a terrible liar. Joe should withdraw quickly. Letting it fester will not make it better.
sadly, your rank and file are so all in on lying about Biden they will be unable to change.

the prison of the brittle ego.
 
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