After Trump is convicted then elected...

anonymoose

anonymoose

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(...or elected then convicted)

1. Trump is convicted and imprisoned
2. Trump chooses a VP that will pardon him.
3. Trump elected 47th President of the United States
4. 25th Amendment is invoked. (It also provides for the temporary transfer of the president's powers and duties to the vice president, either on the initiative of the president alone or on the initiative of the vice president together with a majority of the president's cabinet. In either case, the vice president becomes acting president until the presidential powers and duties are returned to the president. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution)
5. Trump is pardoned by the acting president.
6. Trump returns as president.
 
anonymoose said:
(...or elected then convicted)

1. Trump is convicted and imprisoned
2. Trump chooses a VP that will pardon him.
3. Trump elected 47th President of the United States
4. 25th Amendment is invoked. (It also provides for the temporary transfer of the president's powers and duties to the vice president, either on the initiative of the president alone or on the initiative of the vice president together with a majority of the president's cabinet. In either case, the vice president becomes acting president until the presidential powers and duties are returned to the president. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution)
5. Trump is pardon by the acting president.
6. Trump returns as president.
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Why should Trump be pardoned? Is there a separate justice system for him, and one for everyone else.
 
anonymoose said:
(...or elected then convicted)

1. Trump is convicted and imprisoned
2. Trump chooses a VP that will pardon him.
3. Trump elected 47th President of the United States
4. 25th Amendment is invoked. (It also provides for the temporary transfer of the president's powers and duties to the vice president, either on the initiative of the president alone or on the initiative of the vice president together with a majority of the president's cabinet. In either case, the vice president becomes acting president until the presidential powers and duties are returned to the president. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution)
5. Trump is pardoned by the acting president.
6. Trump returns as president.
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Why couldn't he just pardon himself from prison?
 
anonymoose said:
If he could, sure. I doubt that would be allowed by any court.
That would mean a president would have the power commit any crime be wanted without consequences.
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Only during his term of office since they cannot prosecute a sitting president; but then he would probably be impeached and convicted (if enough Republicans were convinced he committed a crime).

If a president has authority to pardon himself he would not lose that power because he is in prison.

I don't think his power to pardon himself has been determined.
 
anonymoose said:
You sure? Never heard that.
In any case we're already in uncharted territory.
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Yes, it is a DOJ policy. It was often discussed during the Trump years.

"The president of the United States enjoys absolute immunity from many lawsuits while in office; it is legally untested whether they also enjoy criminal immunity from arrest or prosecution.[SUP][a][/SUP] Neither civil nor criminal immunity is explicitly granted in the Constitution or any federal statute.[SUP][1][/SUP]The Supreme Court of the United States found in Nixon v. Fitzgerald (1982) that the president has absolute immunity from civil damages actions regarding conduct within the "outer perimeter" of their duties. However, in Clinton v. Jones (1997), the court ruled against temporary immunity for sitting presidents from suits arising from pre-presidency conduct. Some scholars have suggested an immunity from arrest and criminal prosecution as well, a view which has become the practice of the Department of Justice under a pair of memoranda (1973 and 2000) from the Office of Legal Counsel. Presidents Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump were criminally investigated while in office, but none was prosecuted while in office.[SUP]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_immunity_in_the_United_States#cite_note-trump-5[/SUP] No court has ever ruled on the matter of criminal immunity.[SUP][4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presi...he United,Constitution or any federal statute.[/SUP]
 
Flash said:
Why couldn't he just pardon himself from prison?
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Exactly. He could do that, or simply act as president while in prison. That would be hoot to see! The president of the US running the country from a prison where the warden and guards are his subordinates... :awesome:
 
If Trump is returned to the Oval Office,

then the American people of their own accord will have chosen psychotic dystopia

and will deserve it in substantially worse, more Draconian form

than they themselves could have ever imagined.
 
If Trump is elected POTUS he will be able to set aside any Federal charges or convictions by just appealing them and then ordering his DoJ to withdraw the cases.

If State cases are ongoing or being pursued, i would suspect Trump will take that to the Supreme Court and at a minimum the SC will delay all State charges and cases until after his term of POTUS is done, on a Principle that a POTUS has to be able to do his job or the country is imperiled. Imagine a future Obama being litigated constantly, even though frivolous by Florida and Texas to simply stop him being able to do his job. it would be an untenable situation.

BUt once his term was done the State would get him.
 
evince said:
He can’t run if he’s convicted of this crime
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Wrong! There is nothing--NOTHING--that prevents him from running.

You asked: Is a felon legally permitted to run for president?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/04/17/can-convicted-felon-run-for-president/

Convicted felons have run for president in the past. Lyndon LaRouche was convicted in 1988 of tax and mail fraud conspiracy and ran for president multiple times between 1976 and 2004. LaRouche first ran as part of the Labor Party and later as a Democrat.

Eugene Debs was convicted of violating the Espionage Act of 1917 for an anti-war speech then ran for president as a socialist from a federal prison in Alabama in 1920. Debs’ supporters handed out campaign buttons for "Prisoner 9653." The candidate who beat Debs, William Harding, commuted Debs’ 10-year sentence.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/mar/07/ask-politifact-can-donald-trump-run-president-if-i/
 
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