Debunking the struggling middle class Joe

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The average American: 1967 and today
They’re earning more, but think previous generations had it better
When you compare them with previous generations today's "average" Americans are making more — though enjoying it less.
Forbes
By Tom Van Riper

Updated: 12:09 p.m. CT Oct 18, 2006
As the U.S. population crossed the 300 million mark sometime around 7:46 a.m. Tuesday (according to the U.S. Census Bureau), the typical family is doing a whole lot better than their grandparents were in 1967, the year the population first surpassed 200 million.

Mr. and Mrs. Median's $46,326 in annual income is 32 percent more than their mid-'60s counterparts, even when adjusted for inflation, and 13 percent more than those at the median in the economic boom year of 1985. And thanks to ballooning real estate values, average household net worth has increased even faster. The typical American household has a net worth of $465,970, up 83 percent from 1965, 60 percent from 1985 and 35 percent from 1995.

Throw in the low inflation of the past 20 years, a deregulated airline industry that's made travel much cheaper, plus technological progress that's provided the middle class with not only better cars and televisions, but every gadget from DVD players to iPods, all at lower and lower prices, and it's obvious that Mr. and Mrs. Median are living the life of Riley compared to their parents and grandparents.
So why are they so unhappy?

Yes, despite their material prosperity, the Medians are a grumpy lot. A Parade Magazine survey (a good source for all things median) performed by Mark Clements Research in April showed that 48 percent of Americans believe they're worse off than their parents were.

A June 2006 study by GFK-Roper group showed that 66 percent of Americans said that their personal situations in the "Good Old Days" — defined by the bulk of respondents as anywhere between the 1950s and the 1980s — were better than they are today. And in May, a Pew Research Center poll showed that half of U.S. adults believe the current trends point toward their children's future being worse than their own present.

Attribute some of the dissatisfaction to what economist Milton Friedman dubbed "Permanent Income Theory," which assumes that people measure where they are relative to where they expected to be a few years ago. They don't care a bit what the average income was four decades ago.

"If you expect a 3 percent rise in income and you get 2.5 percent, you're disappointed," says Ken Goldstein, an economist at the Conference Board, a private research group in New York.

And because people generally judge their fortunes not in absolute terms, but by comparing themselves to others, the super-success of the top 1 percent can make Mr. and Mrs. Median feel relatively poorer. Take CEOs — the $19 million that Wal-Mart Chief Lee Scott raked in last year was 410 times what Mr. and Mrs. Median made, as opposed to the $469,000 a year earned by Exxon's Ken Jamieson in 1975, which was a mere 40 times more.

It's the same with celebrity athletes. Those who worshipped Joe Namath in the 1960s could at least identify with the $142,000 a year he made ($848,000 in today's dollars). But how many can identify with the $87 million Tiger Woods took in last year? And not only are the elite making much more today, relatively, than the Medians, the rise of cable television and the Internet assures that they know all about it.
 
Compare the personal debt load of current average middle class Joes to that of those in 1967, even adjust for inflation ;)
 
naah, I know plenty of poor rednecks that use Ebay all the time to trade Matchbox toys, and other collectable stuff. They come to me when they get them so plugged up with virus and spyware and bad game installs, AOHell and such...Any idiot can use a computer. Fixing them is another matter now.
 
Spin , There was a lot of truth in that post, but a lot of spin and ignoring some aspects as well. Just not as fair and balanced as FOX ;)
 
hey I didn't make it up, it's from forbes.
The main point of it is people are less happy even though they make a lot more.
I know you and Lorax and several others poo poo the economy at nausim and here are your facts. Granted that 400,000 is prob 1/3 home equity but it's still counts.
 
I didn't say you made it up Spin, just that is is a bit more rosy and optomistic than reality is for most of us out here. Might be just right for the forbes crowd though ;)
 
Half are doing better half are doing worse.
Luckily I'm alread better than double the median.
Why would one want to achive only what half can do?
 
guess you missed the point that said net worth of 400,000+ thouand which is assets - debts.

There's a lot of fuzzy math with assets/debts. Unless the person has paid off their home, you can't really call that an asset. I somehow doubt the authors of thist study, looked at people's principal and equity and took the difference.

That being said.....This is heavily skewed by people who are older and own a home. People my age that want to become first time home owners are getting screwed -BIG TIME. That asset appreciation in people's home values just means that we are going to have to put relatively more $ into our home and energy prices than people in the 60s did. Not only that, older people are really making out well (especially in my area) because of hte tax breaks new developments get for catering to older people. They sell their homes at over-inflated prices, I pick up the bill and they live in a 5000+ square foot home in a gated community for $200K a year.
 
I'm still calling bull$hit on the study and tops over enthusiastic outlook.

To truly get an idea of a person's net worth inclusive of their home, you'd have to take the market value of the home, take out equity and the outstanding principal. What you're left is their true net worth. I've seen studies where we are paying relatively more for housing and for energy prices.
 
Lady, you are on point and I wish real estate weren't than High and that the majority of people didn't rely on it so much.
I read another study showing the average 401K was like 150,000 and they broke it down by age group. The 50 to 60 group only had like 164,000.
I'm like damm, that is not a lot. The balance has to be there homes, and small brokerage acounts etc.
But some of the worste economy bashers would not have believe the increased wages over inflation.
Outlook is very bright for the investor class. For those that choose not to participate in the boom it's likely to be a struggle.
 
Lady, you are on point and I wish real estate weren't than High and that the majority of people didn't rely on it so much.

This isn't fun if you agree with me. Perhaps you missed this when I was trying to egg you on :pke: ....

LadyT said:
I'm still calling bull$hit on the study and TOPS over enthusiastic outlook.

Topspin said:
But some of the worste economy bashers would not have believe the increased wages over inflation.

Again, energy and health care prices have eaten to that heavily. You may be making 13% marginally more than your parents when you adjust for inflation, but when you take into account housing is up 300%, insurance has doubled, and gas prices have almost tripled since Clinton left office, that measly 13% ain't $hit.
 
You guys must have huge gas tanks, price is down to about $2.15 around here. Dam

There are 8,000,000 millionaires.
My question to the whinners is why don't you invest more than 10% of your take home.
 
Because it is cyclical Spin. if people were more frugal and invested more, our economy based on excesses and waste would collapse....
If you want the economy to continue to be pretty good then you should encourage more spending not more saving :)
 
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