Did America invent Marxism?

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The Organic Socialism of Brownson

An adopted orphan from Vermont raised in poverty, Orestes Brownson lived an intellectual and spiritual odyssey.

Of pointed interest is his “The Laboring Classes” (1840), published eight years before The Communist Manifesto.

Brownson’s essay described the poverty and suffering of urban workers and concluded that economic inequalities were dehumanizing the working class. His focus on economic class led Brownson’s critique of American society to become a critique of liberal capitalism. He saw oppression to flow not so much from the government but from the private economic power that controlled it: business. Justice required the redistribution of wealth to the working class.

In language uncannily akin to that later used by Marx, Brownson took the side of “the mass” and urged radical change: “You must abolish the system or accept its consequences.” This critique from outside the liberal tradition broadened the base of American political thought and, in time, would come to influence one strain of liberalism to look to a more activist state.

Brownson’s economic perspective defined the course of his analysis. Liberalism and liberal values were irrelevant to him. They were irrelevant to the life of the worker. Freedoms of speech or religion had no value for him; he could speak but not eat.

The value that organized Brownson’s analysis was equality. Given his focus, however, it was not political equality but
economic.

The class division Brownson drew was simple: haves and have-nots.

The “nonworkingmen” class organized the economy and controlled the government. It exploited the worker by not paying him the full value of his labor. The owners lived parasitically on the misery of the workers. Society, though, rewarded them as “respectable citizens.”

The “proletaries” lived wretched and inhuman lives, suffering physically and morally. Few workers, “if any, by their wages acquire a competence.” They were trapped in a type of wage slavery.

The only way out is revolution to overthrow the institutions of oppression.

Concentrations of capital in the business community must be abolished. The subordinate institutions that maintain the domination of the haves must be abolished. Organized religion simply pacifies the people; it does not improve them. Government is simply the creature of the owners, suppressing the people by force.

This revolution “will be effected only by the strong arm of physical force.” This can occur only through “the combined effort of the mass.”



Source credit, Joseph F. Kobylka
Southern Methodist University
 
The Organic Socialism of Brownson

An adopted orphan from Vermont raised in poverty, Orestes Brownson lived an intellectual and spiritual odyssey.

Of pointed interest is his “The Laboring Classes” (1840), published eight years before The Communist Manifesto.

Brownson’s essay described the poverty and suffering of urban workers and concluded that economic inequalities were dehumanizing the working class. His focus on economic class led Brownson’s critique of American society to become a critique of liberal capitalism. He saw oppression to flow not so much from the government but from the private economic power that controlled it: business. Justice required the redistribution of wealth to the working class.

In language uncannily akin to that later used by Marx, Brownson took the side of “the mass” and urged radical change: “You must abolish the system or accept its consequences.” This critique from outside the liberal tradition broadened the base of American political thought and, in time, would come to influence one strain of liberalism to look to a more activist state.

Brownson’s economic perspective defined the course of his analysis. Liberalism and liberal values were irrelevant to him. They were irrelevant to the life of the worker. Freedoms of speech or religion had no value for him; he could speak but not eat.

The value that organized Brownson’s analysis was equality. Given his focus, however, it was not political equality but
economic.

The class division Brownson drew was simple: haves and have-nots.

The “nonworkingmen” class organized the economy and controlled the government. It exploited the worker by not paying him the full value of his labor. The owners lived parasitically on the misery of the workers. Society, though, rewarded them as “respectable citizens.”

The “proletaries” lived wretched and inhuman lives, suffering physically and morally. Few workers, “if any, by their wages acquire a competence.” They were trapped in a type of wage slavery.

The only way out is revolution to overthrow the institutions of oppression.

Concentrations of capital in the business community must be abolished. The subordinate institutions that maintain the domination of the haves must be abolished. Organized religion simply pacifies the people; it does not improve them. Government is simply the creature of the owners, suppressing the people by force.

This revolution “will be effected only by the strong arm of physical force.” This can occur only through “the combined effort of the mass.”



Source credit, Joseph F. Kobylka
Southern Methodist University

Orestes Brownson on Socialism & the Church


In 1849 Brownson published an article titled “Socialism and the Church” in which he reviewed a curious book recently published in England titled England the Civilizer, ‘By a Woman’. Brownson describes the anonymous author as having “a strong mind and a corrupt heart.” She takes Western Civilization to task since the fall of the Roman Empire, because ever since that time civilization has been ruined by superstitious religion and has been struggling to recover its sanity and prospects of building a decent world society. In the following passage Brownson summarizes the Woman’s book as a primer for socialism in the future, a socialism that finally did sweep through the world with horrible consequence in the 20th century, and may well be threatening more dire consequence in the 21st.

The old civilization, now effete, committed the capital error of recognizing religion – in the language of the author, – superstition, government, property, and “the ascendency of the male sex,” or family, – for the family cannot subsist without that ascendency; the new civilization will correct this error, and for religion substitute science; for government, federation; for law, instinct; for property, communal wealth; for family, love; and for the ascendency of the male sex, the administration of women. Consequently, the new civilization is to be a petticoat civilization in which we must include the human race in those genera which are named after the female, as cows, geese, ducks, hens, etc.

https://catholicinsight.com/orestes-brownson-on-socialism-the-church/
 
Utopian socialism places ideals above material conditions, to the brutal detriment of the working class. Whereas scientific socialism examines the material conditions of capitalist society to understand how one class dominates the other.

Frederick Engels
Socialism: Utopian and Scientific

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htm

It sounds to me like Brownson was in the Marxist mode of scientific determinism, because he was evaluating the causes and effects of the oppression of the working class. He wasn't interested in classical liberal philosophical ideals of natural rights
 
It sounds to me like Brownson was in the Marxist mode of scientific determinism, because he was evaluating the causes and effects of the oppression of the working class. He wasn't interested in classical liberal philosophical ideals of natural rights

Yes, I agree
 
I don't see where Brownson proposed any system that would replace the current one. Instead, he seems fixated on doing away with the current system because it's 'bad.'
 
I don't see where Brownson proposed any system that would replace the current one. Instead, he seems fixated on doing away with the current system because it's 'bad.'

Marx never articulated exactly what communism would look either. In theory, government was supposed to be unnecessary under a true communist system. Government really only existed as an institution to protect concentrations of wealth.
 
Marx never articulated exactly what communism would look either. In theory, government was supposed to be unnecessary under a true communist system. Government really only existed as an institution to protect concentrations of wealth.

Marx did propose an economic system that was in part political. It doesn't appear Brownson went that far.
 
Marx did propose an economic system that was in part political. It doesn't appear Brownson went that far.

I've only read half a chapter about Brownson, so it might merit more research.

When Marx was pressed on what exactly communism was supposed to look like, he famously responded he was writing scientific history, not a cookbook.
 
The Organic Socialism of Brownson

An adopted orphan from Vermont raised in poverty, Orestes Brownson lived an intellectual and spiritual odyssey.

Of pointed interest is his “The Laboring Classes” (1840), published eight years before The Communist Manifesto.

Brownson’s essay described the poverty and suffering of urban workers and concluded that economic inequalities were dehumanizing the working class. His focus on economic class led Brownson’s critique of American society to become a critique of liberal capitalism. He saw oppression to flow not so much from the government but from the private economic power that controlled it: business. Justice required the redistribution of wealth to the working class.

In language uncannily akin to that later used by Marx, Brownson took the side of “the mass” and urged radical change: “You must abolish the system or accept its consequences.” This critique from outside the liberal tradition broadened the base of American political thought and, in time, would come to influence one strain of liberalism to look to a more activist state.

Brownson’s economic perspective defined the course of his analysis. Liberalism and liberal values were irrelevant to him. They were irrelevant to the life of the worker. Freedoms of speech or religion had no value for him; he could speak but not eat.

The value that organized Brownson’s analysis was equality. Given his focus, however, it was not political equality but
economic.

The class division Brownson drew was simple: haves and have-nots.

The “nonworkingmen” class organized the economy and controlled the government. It exploited the worker by not paying him the full value of his labor. The owners lived parasitically on the misery of the workers. Society, though, rewarded them as “respectable citizens.”

The “proletaries” lived wretched and inhuman lives, suffering physically and morally. Few workers, “if any, by their wages acquire a competence.” They were trapped in a type of wage slavery.

The only way out is revolution to overthrow the institutions of oppression.

Concentrations of capital in the business community must be abolished. The subordinate institutions that maintain the domination of the haves must be abolished. Organized religion simply pacifies the people; it does not improve them. Government is simply the creature of the owners, suppressing the people by force.

This revolution “will be effected only by the strong arm of physical force.” This can occur only through “the combined effort of the mass.”



Source credit, Joseph F. Kobylka
Southern Methodist University

Are you sure he was talking about Socialism? I've never heard of the guy before but from what little you've posted about him he could have been talking about guilds.
 
The Organic Socialism of Brownson

An adopted orphan from Vermont raised in poverty, Orestes Brownson lived an intellectual and spiritual odyssey.

Of pointed interest is his “The Laboring Classes” (1840), published eight years before The Communist Manifesto.

Brownson’s essay described the poverty and suffering of urban workers and concluded that economic inequalities were dehumanizing the working class. His focus on economic class led Brownson’s critique of American society to become a critique of liberal capitalism. He saw oppression to flow not so much from the government but from the private economic power that controlled it: business. Justice required the redistribution of wealth to the working class.

In language uncannily akin to that later used by Marx, Brownson took the side of “the mass” and urged radical change: “You must abolish the system or accept its consequences.” This critique from outside the liberal tradition broadened the base of American political thought and, in time, would come to influence one strain of liberalism to look to a more activist state.

Brownson’s economic perspective defined the course of his analysis. Liberalism and liberal values were irrelevant to him. They were irrelevant to the life of the worker. Freedoms of speech or religion had no value for him; he could speak but not eat.

The value that organized Brownson’s analysis was equality. Given his focus, however, it was not political equality but
economic.

The class division Brownson drew was simple: haves and have-nots.

The “nonworkingmen” class organized the economy and controlled the government. It exploited the worker by not paying him the full value of his labor. The owners lived parasitically on the misery of the workers. Society, though, rewarded them as “respectable citizens.”

The “proletaries” lived wretched and inhuman lives, suffering physically and morally. Few workers, “if any, by their wages acquire a competence.” They were trapped in a type of wage slavery.

The only way out is revolution to overthrow the institutions of oppression.

Concentrations of capital in the business community must be abolished. The subordinate institutions that maintain the domination of the haves must be abolished. Organized religion simply pacifies the people; it does not improve them. Government is simply the creature of the owners, suppressing the people by force.

This revolution “will be effected only by the strong arm of physical force.” This can occur only through “the combined effort of the mass.”



Source credit, Joseph F. Kobylka
Southern Methodist University

Interesting topic. Here is where I got hung up

"Justice required the redistribution of wealth to the working class."

I'm not sure if that is your thoughts or the thought of Brownson. Redistribution is not an act of justice but punishment. "Economic equality" will only ever be achieved through force which is neither just nor moral.
 
The Organic Socialism of Brownson

An adopted orphan from Vermont raised in poverty, Orestes Brownson lived an intellectual and spiritual odyssey.

Of pointed interest is his “The Laboring Classes” (1840), published eight years before The Communist Manifesto.

Brownson’s essay described the poverty and suffering of urban workers and concluded that economic inequalities were dehumanizing the working class. His focus on economic class led Brownson’s critique of American society to become a critique of liberal capitalism. He saw oppression to flow not so much from the government but from the private economic power that controlled it: business. Justice required the redistribution of wealth to the working class.

In language uncannily akin to that later used by Marx, Brownson took the side of “the mass” and urged radical change: “You must abolish the system or accept its consequences.” This critique from outside the liberal tradition broadened the base of American political thought and, in time, would come to influence one strain of liberalism to look to a more activist state.

Brownson’s economic perspective defined the course of his analysis. Liberalism and liberal values were irrelevant to him. They were irrelevant to the life of the worker. Freedoms of speech or religion had no value for him; he could speak but not eat.

The value that organized Brownson’s analysis was equality. Given his focus, however, it was not political equality but
economic.

The class division Brownson drew was simple: haves and have-nots.

The “nonworkingmen” class organized the economy and controlled the government. It exploited the worker by not paying him the full value of his labor. The owners lived parasitically on the misery of the workers. Society, though, rewarded them as “respectable citizens.”

The “proletaries” lived wretched and inhuman lives, suffering physically and morally. Few workers, “if any, by their wages acquire a competence.” They were trapped in a type of wage slavery.

The only way out is revolution to overthrow the institutions of oppression.

Concentrations of capital in the business community must be abolished. The subordinate institutions that maintain the domination of the haves must be abolished. Organized religion simply pacifies the people; it does not improve them. Government is simply the creature of the owners, suppressing the people by force.

This revolution “will be effected only by the strong arm of physical force.” This can occur only through “the combined effort of the mass.”



Source credit, Joseph F. Kobylka
Southern Methodist University

No. Karl Marx invented Marxism. You should probably read his writings. You can find them at the link in my sig.

However, the concept of fascism, communism, and slavery has been around for thousands of years (despite Mussolini coining the word 'fascism'). These are based around government manipulation of markets (fascism) and government ownership of markets) communism. Slavery is of course ownership of men and their labor, or forced labor without compensation, demeaning men to be like brutally treated cattle.

The concept of capitalism (voluntary production of wealth for voluntary sale to others for an agreed upon price) is also extremely old...older than money itself.

Slaves have no wage.
 
I've only read half a chapter about Brownson, so it might merit more research.

When Marx was pressed on what exactly communism was supposed to look like, he famously responded he was writing scientific history, not a cookbook.

Science, of course is not history, in and of itself. It isn't an economic system either. Just as leftists do today, 'sCiEnCe' is just a meaningless buzzword.
 
Interesting topic. Here is where I got hung up

"Justice required the redistribution of wealth to the working class."

I'm not sure if that is your thoughts or the thought of Brownson. Redistribution is not an act of justice but punishment. "Economic equality" will only ever be achieved through force which is neither just nor moral.

I'm not saying I with everything he wrote. Marx and Brownson were asking the right questions, but I don't think they had the right answers.
 
The Organic Socialism of Brownson

An adopted orphan from Vermont raised in poverty, Orestes Brownson lived an intellectual and spiritual odyssey.

Of pointed interest is his “The Laboring Classes” (1840), published eight years before The Communist Manifesto.

Brownson’s essay described the poverty and suffering of urban workers and concluded that economic inequalities were dehumanizing the working class. His focus on economic class led Brownson’s critique of American society to become a critique of liberal capitalism. He saw oppression to flow not so much from the government but from the private economic power that controlled it: business. Justice required the redistribution of wealth to the working class.

In language uncannily akin to that later used by Marx, Brownson took the side of “the mass” and urged radical change: “You must abolish the system or accept its consequences.” This critique from outside the liberal tradition broadened the base of American political thought and, in time, would come to influence one strain of liberalism to look to a more activist state.

Brownson’s economic perspective defined the course of his analysis. Liberalism and liberal values were irrelevant to him. They were irrelevant to the life of the worker. Freedoms of speech or religion had no value for him; he could speak but not eat.

The value that organized Brownson’s analysis was equality. Given his focus, however, it was not political equality but
economic.

The class division Brownson drew was simple: haves and have-nots.

The “nonworkingmen” class organized the economy and controlled the government. It exploited the worker by not paying him the full value of his labor. The owners lived parasitically on the misery of the workers. Society, though, rewarded them as “respectable citizens.”

The “proletaries” lived wretched and inhuman lives, suffering physically and morally. Few workers, “if any, by their wages acquire a competence.” They were trapped in a type of wage slavery.

The only way out is revolution to overthrow the institutions of oppression.

Concentrations of capital in the business community must be abolished. The subordinate institutions that maintain the domination of the haves must be abolished. Organized religion simply pacifies the people; it does not improve them. Government is simply the creature of the owners, suppressing the people by force.

This revolution “will be effected only by the strong arm of physical force.” This can occur only through “the combined effort of the mass.”



Source credit, Joseph F. Kobylka
Southern Methodist University

No, it is all based upon Hegal’s dialectics which came before either
 
No. Karl Marx invented Marxism. You should probably read his writings. You can find them at the link in my sig.

However, the concept of fascism, communism, and slavery has been around for thousands of years (despite Mussolini coining the word 'fascism'). These are based around government manipulation of markets (fascism) and government ownership of markets) communism. Slavery is of course ownership of men and their labor, or forced labor without compensation, demeaning men to be like brutally treated cattle.

The concept of capitalism (voluntary production of wealth for voluntary sale to others for an agreed upon price) is also extremely old...older than money itself.

Slaves have no wage.

Disagree. Mercantilism is old, Capitalism is not.
 
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