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This is interesting. Krugman is very pro-bailout and has been. He's been writing all along that it has to be done, and I saw him give a lecture directly after the Bear STearns bailout and he was 100% behind it. So, this is an interesting turn of events:

No deal

I hate to say this, but looking at the plan as leaked, I have to say no deal. Not unless Treasury explains, very clearly, why this is supposed to work, other than through having taxpayers pay premium prices for lousy assets.
As I posted earlier today, it seems all too likely that a “fair price” for mortgage-related assets will still leave much of the financial sector in trouble. And there’s nothing at all in the draft that says what happens next; although I do notice that there’s nothing in the plan requiring Treasury to pay a fair market price. So is the plan to pay premium prices to the most troubled institutions? Or is the hope that restoring liquidity will magically make the problem go away?

Here’s the thing: historically, financial system rescues have involved seizing the troubled institutions and guaranteeing their debts; only after that did the government try to repackage and sell their assets. The feds took over S&Ls first, protecting their depositors, then transferred their bad assets to the RTC. The Swedes took over troubled banks, again protecting their depositors, before transferring their assets to their equivalent institutions.

The Treasury plan, by contrast, looks like an attempt to restore confidence in the financial system — that is, convince creditors of troubled institutions that everything’s OK — simply by buying assets off these institutions. This will only work if the prices Treasury pays are much higher than current market prices; that, in turn, can only be true either if this is mainly a liquidity problem — which seems doubtful — or if Treasury is going to be paying a huge premium, in effect throwing taxpayers’ money at the financial world.

And there’s no quid pro quo here — nothing that gives taxpayers a stake in the upside, nothing that ensures that the money is used to stabilize the system rather than reward the undeserving.

I hope I’m wrong about this. But let me say it again: Treasury needs to explain why this is supposed to work — not try to panic Congress into giving it a blank check. Otherwise, no deal.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/20/no-deal/
 
Here's something else that is very interesting, and more disgusting evidence that the Modern Day Republican Party's platform is: Socialism for Billionaires:

WASHINGTON -- Titans of the financial industry are battling to influence the government's financial rescue plan, a package that will create new winners and losers in the sector.

Democrats in Congress want a rescue package that benefits homeowners at risk for foreclosure, not just Wall Street. Securities houses don't want executive salary limits for banks that participate in the rescue.

House Republican staffers met with roughly 15 lobbyists Friday afternoon, whose message to lawmakers was clear: Don't load the legislation up with provisions not directly related to the crisis, or regulatory measures the industry has long opposed.
"We're opposed to adding provisions that will affect [or] undermine the deal substantively," said Scott Talbott, senior vice president of government affairs at the Financial Services Roundtable, whose members include the nation's largest banks, securities firms and insurers.

A deal killer for the group: a proposal that would grant bankruptcy judges new powers to lower the principal, interest rate or both on a mortgage as part of a bankruptcy proceeding.



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122186674316558873.html
 
Im proud of krugman. I've always thought he had a lot of good ideas on things, but that when the rubber hit the road, he would do the fascist thing. He suprises me with this. I may have had vestigial misgivings about him leftover from my primordial neocon past.
 
Krugman is aopparently an MBA type.
He can't help his programming.

Usc, look at what is in the bill that they are trying to ram through, ala the patriot act:

"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."

Sorry but that is crazy.
 
Usc, look at what is in the bill that they are trying to ram through, ala the patriot act:

"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."

Sorry but that is crazy.

You missed my sarcasm.
I am totally against the bailout. If they fail they did not deserve to succeed.
Lets take our lumps now and not sell out all of our future to the corporations.

If you will recall I have been against all of the bailouts.
 
You missed my sarcasm.
I am totally against the bailout. If they fail they did not deserve to succeed.
Lets take our lumps now and not sell out all of our future to the corporations.

If you will recall I have been against all of the bailouts.

I didn't know if you knew about that part of the bill. Doesn't it seem so Bushie? In the midst of a terrible crisis, do nothing but start calculating how you can benefit. I had no idea that clause was in the bill, I do not understand how anyone can even consider such a thing? It's crazy! I'm not against a bailout because I don't want the kind of suffering that the poorest among us, and even the middle class who soon will be poor, will get over this. But it's got to be a smart bailout. Not a Phil Graham authored bailout! And what's really frightening is I bet the dems are going to sign on to it, because they're scared they'll get blamed and lose the election if we don't do a bailout and have a collapse. They are always scared of something you know! I can't believe this, every time I think it can't get any worse, it gets worse.
 
As I posted in the other thread the market gains prove we don't need a bailout, just make the gambling your naked shorts types of the market illegal. Get back to true investments and not vegas on wall street.

all you should be able to do is buy and sell stock. Period.
 
The Democrats should hold the bailout hostage until they get all sorts of things included that the Republicans have blocked, just like the Republicans always do. I'm talking SCHIP, the Employee Free Choice Act, tax increases on the rich, expanded infrastructure spending, increased unemployment benefits, caps to CEO and executive compensation, etc. . .

Oh, and they should add all sorts of punitive shit to the bill just to fuck with the executives of any company trying to get bailouts. I've heard floating around the possibility that the CEO, CFO, and chair of the board will be required to take credit counseling just like individuals filing for bankruptcy now have to do with the changes made a few years ago.

If they're getting bailed out, I want them to be humiliated and I want the Democrats to fight for every little concession they can get. Otherwise, fuck this $700 billion blank check.
 
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