Disposable diapers better for environment, yet lefties hush report up?

[KingCondanomation]

This is just another reason why I am suspect to leftist environmentalists claims that they want to save the planet. From the left-wing Labor government's own report, they find that disposable diapers are better, yet they instruct bureaucrats to hush the findings up. If they really REALLY believed that they wanted to save the planet, they would publish the report and that would trump any supposed embarassment they have over it.

"A government report that found old-fashioned reusable nappies damage the environment more than disposables has been hushed up because ministers are embarrassed by its findings.

The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) has instructed civil servants not to publicise the conclusions of the £50,000 nappy research project and to adopt a “defensive” stance towards its conclusions. "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4969413.ece

As a side point, I'm surprised by the findings and I also dispute them anyway as carbon use is not relevant to warming and disposables take up landfill space while being long to decompose.

It does and should make you wonder what else they hush up, but here is definitive proof that they do it.

 

[charver]

Dano, with this particular government, a hushed-up report on dirty nappies is the least of my worries about their underhand methods of governance.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

This is just another reason why I am suspect to leftist environmentalists claims that they want to save the planet. From the left-wing Labor government's own report, they find that disposable diapers are better, yet they instruct bureaucrats to hush the findings up. If they really REALLY believed that they wanted to save the planet, they would publish the report and that would trump any supposed embarassment they have over it.

"A government report that found old-fashioned reusable nappies damage the environment more than disposables has been hushed up because ministers are embarrassed by its findings.

The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) has instructed civil servants not to publicise the conclusions of the £50,000 nappy research project and to adopt a “defensive” stance towards its conclusions. "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4969413.ece

As a side point, I'm surprised by the findings and I also dispute them anyway as carbon use is not relevant to warming and disposables take up landfill space while being long to decompose.

It does and should make you wonder what else they hush up, but here is definitive proof that they do it.

The Labour party is a centre-right party, in many ways more right-wing than Cameron's Conservatives (who seem as intent on becoming the Liberal Democrats as the Libdems are intent on becoming the Conservatives).

 

[uscitizen]

Is this a dig on McCains age Dano ?

 

[KingCondanomation]

Dano, with this particular government, a hushed-up report on dirty nappies is the least of my worries about their underhand methods of governance.

HAHA, yeah I've kept up with the complaints, they are in for a drubbing and the byelection results are beyond scary. LOL, you have to be pretty despised for the BNP morons to beat you in votes.

I think my greater point here is that we (and specifically environmental minded people) often have an absolute trust in the government's position to report environmental facts, yet this is a clear cut example of them withholding information that contradicts the results that they want the public to believe in.

 

[uscitizen]

Environmental minded people do not trust the government much at all in the area of the environment.
All the lawsuits are evidence of that.

 

[KingCondanomation]

The Labour party is a centre-right party, in many ways more right-wing than Cameron's Conservatives (who seem as intent on becoming the Liberal Democrats as the Libdems are intent on becoming the Conservatives).

No they're not, they are regular left now rather than being hardcore left as they used to be. They have adopted an extreme left position on some issues including the environment. They have lowered the age of consent to 16. Confiscated ALL handguns. Bloated the bureaucracy and greatly expanded the welfare state.

They just have abandoned socialism (well except for water nationalization), which seperates them from Foot and Kinnock and the old guard.

Ironically enough they sound a hell of a lot like they represent the positions YOU take. The one exception being the Iraq war of course.

 

[KingCondanomation]

Environmental minded people do not trust the government much at all in the area of the environment.
All the lawsuits are evidence of that.

They trust leftwing government yes.

 

[uscitizen]

They trust leftwing government yes.

They do not trust government.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

They have lowered the age of consent to 16. Confiscated ALL handguns. Bloated the bureaucracy and greatly expanded the welfare state.

They equalized the homosexual and heterosexual ages of consent at 16. The Conservative government banned handguns, which were only possessed by less than 0.1% of the British population in any case.

 

[KingCondanomation]

Is this a dig on McCains age Dano ?

You're not so far off there yourself. Maybe you can install a catheter so you can continue without any interruptions to your goal of 100,000 posts before you kick it.

 

[Bonestorm]

Me, I'm a bit more concerned with the Bush Administration silencing the scientists in the EPA and other regulatory agencies rather than the Brits and their dirty nappies.

 

[uscitizen]

John Depends McCain.

 

[KingCondanomation]

They have lowered the age of consent to 16. Confiscated ALL handguns. Bloated the bureaucracy and greatly expanded the welfare state.

They equalized the homosexual and heterosexual ages of consent at 16.

Right, should have clarified, the point is that is a lefty thing to do.

The Conservative government banned handguns, which were only possessed by less than 0.1% of the British population in any case.

WRONG. I said ALL handguns, the Conservatives banned some, Labor banned ALL of them:
"MPs voted to ban all handguns last night despite strong opposition from Conservatives and some Labour backbenchers.

The Firearms (Amendment) Bill, which was drawn up after last year's massacre in Dunblane, was backed by a majority of 203 after an emotional debate.

MPs voted by 384 to 173 to reject a Tory amendment which would have blocked the Bill. The second reading of the Bill was approved by 384 to 181, a Government majority of 203.

The Bill extends the ban on handguns to .22 calibre weapons following the outlawing of larger handguns by the Tory government."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1997/06/12/ngunn12.html

Also your numbers are BS, I'm sure it was low after Dunblane, but never that low and certainly not now as crime has gone way up since the ban:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1440764.stm

You are just making up waterstats and hoping to get away with it as per usual.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

[Right, should have clarified, the point is that is a lefty thing to do.]

And WHY should the homosexual age of consent be any different than the heterosexual age of consent? The fact is that your statement "They lowered the age of consent" was distortion and a LIE.

[WRONG. I said ALL handguns, the Conservatives banned some, Labor banned ALL of them:
"MPs voted to ban all handguns last night despite strong opposition from Conservatives and some Labour backbenchers.

The Firearms (Amendment) Bill, which was drawn up after last year's massacre in Dunblane, was backed by a majority of 203 after an emotional debate.

MPs voted by 384 to 173 to reject a Tory amendment which would have blocked the Bill. The second reading of the Bill was approved by 384 to 181, a Government majority of 203.

The Bill extends the ban on handguns to .22 calibre weapons following the outlawing of larger handguns by the Tory government."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1997/06/12/ngunn12.html

Also your numbers are BS, I'm sure it was low after Dunblane, but never that low and certainly not now as crime has gone way up since the ban:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1440764.stm

You are just making up waterstats and hoping to get away with it as per usual.

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Then they did not ban all handguns. Conservative banned most and they banned the rest.

 

[KingCondanomation]

And WHY should the homosexual age of consent be any different than the heterosexual age of consent? The fact is that your statement "They lowered the age of consent" was distortion and a LIE.

It wasn't a lie, I should have clarified and said that.
And I don't think it should be any different, I am just showing that to rebut your BS over them being a rightwing party.

Then they did not ban all handguns. Conservative banned most and they banned the rest.

Right the rest, would be ALL, duh. And they were the ones pushing heaviest for the earlier ban in any case hoping to capitalize off Dunblane for the '97 election.
Whether in power or out, Labor were the ones voting heaviest for both bans. I've been to England and talked to rural folks where my grandmother lives, they hold Labor responsible for obvious reasons.

 

[charver]

I'm not sure if the Labour government are Centre-Left or Centre Right. They've both expanded the welfare state and fabricated a casus belli in order to go to war with a crazed reactionary American President; attempted to get rid of trial by jury and harbour a wish to see people locked up without trial for 6 months.

So maybe it's a little from column A and a little from column B.

Whatever their position on the political compass i think that we can all agree that they are best described as a shower of bastards.

 

[Damocles]

I'm not sure if the Labour government are Centre-Left or Centre Right. They've both expanded the welfare state and fabricated a casus belli in order to go to war with a crazed reactionary American President; attempted to get rid of trial by jury and harbour a wish to see people locked up without trial for 6 months.

So maybe it's a little from column A and a little from column B.

Whatever their position on the political compass i think that we can all agree that they are best described as a shower of bastards.

I hope you have an umbrella, because I think the shower will continue for some time to come.

The word we can't quite get ourselves to speak is "fascism".

 

[KingCondanomation]

I'm not sure if the Labour government are Centre-Left or Centre Right. They've both expanded the welfare state and fabricated a casus belli in order to go to war with a crazed reactionary American President; attempted to get rid of trial by jury and harbour a wish to see people locked up without trial for 6 months.

So maybe it's a little from column A and a little from column B.

Whatever their position on the political compass i think that we can all agree that they are best described as a shower of bastards.

I can see how a lot of people can think that they are right for the war, but that is just one issue. More importantly, lefties have supported war so long as it is called "peacekeeping". Over time it's been my observation that the lines blur between the two such that they are different in name only.

I've suggested that there is a fair chance that had there been a president Obama or Kerry or Gore in the last 8 years we quite possibly could have seen some action in Darfur.

I trust the Libertarian Party and Green party on avoiding war, I wouldn't trust the Repubs OR Dems on it, just given their history in action, not words.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I'm not sure if the Labour government are Centre-Left or Centre Right. They've both expanded the welfare state and fabricated a casus belli in order to go to war with a crazed reactionary American President; attempted to get rid of trial by jury and harbour a wish to see people locked up without trial for 6 months.

So maybe it's a little from column A and a little from column B.

Whatever their position on the political compass i think that we can all agree that they are best described as a shower of bastards.

They are definitely my least favorite party in modern Britian. This will probably be the only time in my life where I've welcomed the coming of a conservative government in another nation.