"Free Market" Nutters Will be Back

Cypress

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She's right. Ross Perot and Bill Clinton collectively secured an overwhelming majority of the vote in 1992, riding the populist backlash to the inevitable and ultimate failure of Reaganomics in the late 80s-90s. But the wild eyed free market wingnuts never give up trying to shackle us to some ill conceived fantasy of deregulation and lassaize-farce.

Its really not a battle of political ideologies. In its purest form and at it's core essence, it's all about maximizing profit, and reducing social spending and public investments. Nothing has really changed since the guilded age of the Robber Barons; this is the same crap that was going on then.




Free Market Ideology is Far from Finished

By Naomi Klein - September 19th, 2008

Whatever the events of this week mean, nobody should believe the overblown claims that the market crisis signals the death of "free market" ideology. Free market ideology has always been a servant to the interests of capital, and its presence ebbs and flows depending on its usefulness to those interests.

During boom times, it's profitable to preach laissez faire, because an absentee government allows speculative bubbles to inflate. When those bubbles burst, the ideology becomes a hindrance, and it goes dormant while big government rides to the rescue. But rest assured: the ideology will come roaring back when the bailouts are done. The massive debts the public is accumulating to bail out the speculators will then become part of a global budget crisis that will be the rationalization for deep cuts to social programs, and for a renewed push to privatize what is left of the public sector. We will also be told that our hopes for a green future are, sadly, too costly.

What we don't know is how the public will respond. Consider that in North America, everybody under the age of 40 grew up being told that the government can't intervene to improve our lives, that government is the problem not the solution, that laissez faire was the only option. Now, we are suddenly seeing an extremely activist, intensely interventionist government, seemingly willing to do whatever it takes to save investors from themselves.

This spectacle necessarily raises the question: if the state can intervene to save corporations that took reckless risks in the housing markets, why can't it intervene to prevent millions of Americans from imminent foreclosure? By the same token, if $85bn can be made instantly available to buy the insurance giant AIG, why is single-payer health care – which would protect Americans from the predatory practices of health-care insurance companies – seemingly such an unattainable dream? And if ever more corporations need taxpayer funds to stay afloat, why can't taxpayers make demands in return – like caps on executive pay, and a guarantee against more job losses?

Now that it's clear that governments can indeed act in times of crises, it will become much harder for them to plead powerlessness in the future. Another potential shift has to do with market hopes for future privatizations. For years, the global investment banks have been lobbying politicians for two new markets: one that would come from privatizing public pensions and the other that would come from a new wave of privatized or partially privatized roads, bridges and water systems. Both of these dreams have just become much harder to sell: Americans are in no mood to trust more of their individual and collective assets to the reckless gamblers on Wall Street, especially because it seems more than likely that taxpayers will have to pay to buy back their own assets when the next bubble bursts.

With the World Trade Organization talks off the rails, this crisis could also be a catalyst for a radically alternative approach to regulating world markets and financial systems. Already, we are seeing a move towards "food sovereignty" in the developing world, rather than leaving access to food to the whims of commodity traders. The time may finally have come for ideas like taxing trading, which would slow speculative investment, as well as other global capital controls.


And now that nationalization is not a dirty word, the oil and gas companies should watch out: someone needs to pay for the shift to a greener future, and it makes most sense for the bulk of the funds to come from the highly profitable sector that is most responsible for our climate crisis. It certainly makes more sense than creating another dangerous bubble in carbon trading.

But the crisis we are seeing calls for even deeper changes than that. The reason these junk loans were allowed to proliferate was not just because the regulators didn't understand the risk. It is because we have an economic system that measures our collective health based exclusively on GDP growth. So long as the junk loans were fuelling economic growth, our governments actively supported them. So what is really being called into question by the crisis is the unquestioned commitment to growth at all costs. Where this crisis should lead us is to a radically different way for our societies to measure health and progress.

None of this, however, will happen without huge public pressure placed on politicians in this key period. And not polite lobbying but a return to the streets and the kind of direct action that ushered in the New Deal in the 1930s. Without it, there will be superficial changes and a return, as quickly as possible, to business as usual.
 
So what is really being called into question by the crisis is the unquestioned commitment to growth at all costs. Where this crisis should lead us is to a radically different way for our societies to measure health and progress.

As I wisely stated in another thread, "gdp is a dishonest metric".
 
As I wisely stated in another thread, "gdp is a dishonest metric".

Perot and Clinton did not run on the same platform. Perot was very much against free trade against NAFTA etc. One thing I give Clinton a lot of credit for was his seeing the benefit of free markets and free trade which he pursued.
 
She's right. Ross Perot and Bill Clinton collectively secured an overwhelming majority of the vote in 1992, riding the populist backlash to the inevitable and ultimate failure of Reaganomics in the late 80s-90s. But the wild eyed free market wingnuts never give up trying to shackle us to some ill conceived fantasy of deregulation and lassaize-farce.

Its really not a battle of political ideologies. In its purest form and at it's core essence, it's all about maximizing profit, and reducing social spending and public investments. Nothing has really changed since the guilded age of the Robber Barons; this is the same crap that was going on then.




Free Market Ideology is Far from Finished

By Naomi Klein - September 19th, 2008

Whatever the events of this week mean, nobody should believe the overblown claims that the market crisis signals the death of "free market" ideology. Free market ideology has always been a servant to the interests of capital, and its presence ebbs and flows depending on its usefulness to those interests.

During boom times, it's profitable to preach laissez faire, because an absentee government allows speculative bubbles to inflate. When those bubbles burst, the ideology becomes a hindrance, and it goes dormant while big government rides to the rescue. But rest assured: the ideology will come roaring back when the bailouts are done. The massive debts the public is accumulating to bail out the speculators will then become part of a global budget crisis that will be the rationalization for deep cuts to social programs, and for a renewed push to privatize what is left of the public sector. We will also be told that our hopes for a green future are, sadly, too costly.

What we don't know is how the public will respond. Consider that in North America, everybody under the age of 40 grew up being told that the government can't intervene to improve our lives, that government is the problem not the solution, that laissez faire was the only option. Now, we are suddenly seeing an extremely activist, intensely interventionist government, seemingly willing to do whatever it takes to save investors from themselves.

This spectacle necessarily raises the question: if the state can intervene to save corporations that took reckless risks in the housing markets, why can't it intervene to prevent millions of Americans from imminent foreclosure? By the same token, if $85bn can be made instantly available to buy the insurance giant AIG, why is single-payer health care – which would protect Americans from the predatory practices of health-care insurance companies – seemingly such an unattainable dream? And if ever more corporations need taxpayer funds to stay afloat, why can't taxpayers make demands in return – like caps on executive pay, and a guarantee against more job losses?

Now that it's clear that governments can indeed act in times of crises, it will become much harder for them to plead powerlessness in the future. Another potential shift has to do with market hopes for future privatizations. For years, the global investment banks have been lobbying politicians for two new markets: one that would come from privatizing public pensions and the other that would come from a new wave of privatized or partially privatized roads, bridges and water systems. Both of these dreams have just become much harder to sell: Americans are in no mood to trust more of their individual and collective assets to the reckless gamblers on Wall Street, especially because it seems more than likely that taxpayers will have to pay to buy back their own assets when the next bubble bursts.

With the World Trade Organization talks off the rails, this crisis could also be a catalyst for a radically alternative approach to regulating world markets and financial systems. Already, we are seeing a move towards "food sovereignty" in the developing world, rather than leaving access to food to the whims of commodity traders. The time may finally have come for ideas like taxing trading, which would slow speculative investment, as well as other global capital controls.


And now that nationalization is not a dirty word, the oil and gas companies should watch out: someone needs to pay for the shift to a greener future, and it makes most sense for the bulk of the funds to come from the highly profitable sector that is most responsible for our climate crisis. It certainly makes more sense than creating another dangerous bubble in carbon trading.

But the crisis we are seeing calls for even deeper changes than that. The reason these junk loans were allowed to proliferate was not just because the regulators didn't understand the risk. It is because we have an economic system that measures our collective health based exclusively on GDP growth. So long as the junk loans were fuelling economic growth, our governments actively supported them. So what is really being called into question by the crisis is the unquestioned commitment to growth at all costs. Where this crisis should lead us is to a radically different way for our societies to measure health and progress.

None of this, however, will happen without huge public pressure placed on politicians in this key period. And not polite lobbying but a return to the streets and the kind of direct action that ushered in the New Deal in the 1930s. Without it, there will be superficial changes and a return, as quickly as possible, to business as usual.

This was the plan all along - to bankrupt the government so that there would never be any money for health care and so that social services would be drastically cut. I used to argue with Cawacko about this, and he'd tell me you must be kidding me, cut social services! Look at how Republicans are spending.

Yeah.

I wonder if he remembers those conversations, or if he will have amnesia, like most Americans.

This is what they wanted to do. Squeeze every last dime out of the budget and out of the people to support corporations and billionaires, and then say "we broke folks, sorry about the environmental disaster, about the thousands of you nobodies who are going to die due to no, or poor, health insurance, to the thousands more who will lose their homes this winter becasue you can't pay both the mortgage and 800 dollars a month to heat the house, but thems the breaks. We're taken care of. On your dime".

Seriously, if heads don't come off? This country has no balls. No balls.
 
This was the plan all along - to bankrupt the government so that there would never be any money for health care and so that social services would be drastically cut. I used to argue with Cawacko about this, and he'd tell me you must be kidding me, cut social services! Look at how Republicans are spending.

Yeah.

I wonder if he remembers those conversations, or if he will have amnesia, like most Americans.

This is what they wanted to do. Squeeze every last dime out of the budget and out of the people to support corporations and billionaires, and then say "we broke folks, sorry about the environmental disaster, about the thousands of you nobodies who are going to die due to no, or poor, health insurance, to the thousands more who will lose their homes this winter becasue you can't pay both the mortgage and 800 dollars a month to heat the house, but thems the breaks. We're taken care of. On your dime".

Seriously, if heads don't come off? This country has no balls. No balls.


I remember having those same exhanges with cawacko.

I don't know why everyone either pretends this is a well guarded secret, or that its untrue. I'm pretty sure the patron saint of Republican ideology, Grover Norquist, is on record stating that the goal is to bankrupt the government so that social spending will be eliminated.


Also, cawacko and other Bush voters confuse "spending" with liberalism.

Spending, and acting in the public interest can be, and often are two different things. The medicare pill bill was a perfect example of something that was NOT liberal. It was a giveaway of the public treasury to private insurance companies. Repukes specifically wrote into the legislation that the government can't even negotiate bulk prices on drugs.

There's not a damn thing liberal about that.
 
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