Gun laws in Jamaica

anonymoose

anonymoose

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Jamaica has the highest homicide rate of any country in the world.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


Gun law in Jamaica
Before 1962, Jamaica's murder rate was one of the world's lowest with 3.9 per 100,000 population (4.6 in the US).[2]

After a rash of killings of lawyers and businessmen in 1974,[3] the government of Michael Manley attempted to restore order by granting broad new law enforcement powers in the Suppression of Crime Act and the Gun Court Act. This allowed the police and the military to work together in a novel way to disarm the people: soldiers could seal off entire neighborhoods and police could systematically search the houses for weapons without a warrant.[4]
Firearms Act
Main article: Firearms Act (Jamaica)
The Firearms Act regulates the ownership and use of firearms and ammunition. It was first passed in 1967, and has been subsequently amended.

The Firearms Act prohibits ownership of any artillery, automatic firearm, grenade, bomb or other like missile. Law states that the applicants must have good reason to apply for firearm license without defining what constitutes a good reason, leaving it at the discretion of authority.
Firearm owners who do not wish to travel with their firearms are not allowed to leave them at home. They are obligated by law to deposit them at the local police station for safekeeping.
Gun Court
Main article: Gun Court
The Gun Court was established by Parliament in 1974 to combat rising gun violence, and empowered to try suspects in camera, without a jury.
According to David Kopel, the courts also function without the need for hard evidence, for all practical purposes. The testimony of any police officer is always sufficient to secure a conviction. Corroborating physical evidence is never required. For many years the only sentence issued by Gun Courts was indefinite incarceration.
Anyone convicted in any Gun Court for any offense is removed from Jamaican society permanently.[15]
Criticism
Dean Weingarten (Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation) argued that gun violence kept rising since the government passed draconian laws on gun control.[2] John R. Lott Jr. (Crime Prevention Research Center) made the same observation.[16][17]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_Jamaica
 
Ahh, let's put a little math to the situation:

In 2021 the population of Jamaica was a little over 2,800,000.

1% of that is 28,000.

5% of that is 1,400.

The actual number of deaths by guns counted in the OP link was 1,474.

So you had less than 6% of less than 1% of the entire population killed by guns. Nothing to ignore, but hardly the apocalypse due to gun control that clowns like Weingarten and sycophantic gun monkey's love to howl about.

Nice try though, Moosie.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Ahh, let's put a little math to the situation:

In 2021 the population of Jamaica was a little over 2,800,000.

1% of that is 28,000.

5% of that is 1,400.

The actual number of deaths by guns counted in the OP link was 1,474.

So you had less than 6% of less than 1% of the entire population killed by guns. Nothing to ignore, but hardly the apocalypse due to gun control that clowns like Weingarten and sycophantic gun monkey's love to howl about.

Nice try though, Moosie.
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Firearms regulation in Mexico
Mexico has extremely restrictive laws regarding gun possession. There are only two stores in the entire country, DCAM near the capital, and OTCA, in Apodaca, Nuevo León. It also takes months of paperwork to have a chance at purchasing one legally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firea...st be registered,, one handgun) per household.
 
List of cities by homicide rate


Rankings (2019)

This section relies largely or entirely on a single source. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please help improve this article by introducing citations to additional sources.
Find sources: "List of cities by homicide rate" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR (June 2023)
The following 50 cities have the highest homicide rates in the world of all cities not at war, with a population of at least 300,000 people.[1] This is based on 2019 data from El Consejo Ciudadano para la Seguridad Pública y la Justicia Penal (The Citizen Council for Public Security and Criminal Justice), an advocacy group from Mexico City.[2]

Rank City Country Homicides Population Homicides
per 100,000
1 Colima Mexico 601 330,329 181.94
2 Zamora Mexico 552 310,575 177.73
3 Ciudad Obregón Mexico 454 328,430 138.23
4 Zacatecas Mexico 490 363,996 134.62
5 Tijuana Mexico 2,177 2,070,875 105.12
6 Celaya Mexico 740 742,662 99.64
7 Uruapan Mexico 282 360,338 78.26
8 New Orleans United States 266 376,971 70.56
9 Ciudad Juárez Mexico 1,034 1,527,482 67.69
10 Acapulco Mexico 513 782,661 65.55
11 Mossoró Brazil 167 264,181 63.21
12 Cape Town South Africa 2,998 4,758,405 63.00
13 Irapuato Mexico 539 874,997 61.60
14 Cuernavaca Mexico 410 681,086 60.20
15 Durban South Africa 2,405 4,050,968 59.37
16 Kingston Jamaica 722 1,235,013 58.46
17 Baltimore United States 333 576,498 57.76
18 Nelson Mandela Bay (Port Elizabeth) South Africa 687 1,250,484 56.99
19 Salvador Brazil 2,085 3,678,414 56.68
20 Port-au-Prince Haiti 1,596 2,915,000 54.75
21 Manaus Brazil 1,041 2,054,731 50.66
22 Feira de Santana Brazil 327 652,592 50.11
23 Detroit United States 309 632,454 48.86
24 Guayaquil Ecuador 1,537 3,141,793 47.77
25 Memphis United States 302 632,464 47.75
26 Vitória da Conquista Brazil 184 387,524 47.48
27 Cleveland United States 168 367,991 45.65
28 Natal Brazil 569 1,262,741 45.06
29 Cancun Mexico 406 920,865 44.09
30 Chihuahua Mexico 414 944,413 43.84
31 Fortaleza Brazil 1,678 3,936,509 42.63
32 Cali Colombia 1,007 2,392,381 42.09
33 Morelia Mexico 359 853,831 42.05
34 Johannesburg South Africa 2,547 6,148,353 41.43
35 Recife Brazil 1,494 3,745,082 39.89
36 Maceió Brazil 379 960,667 39.45
37 Santa Marta Colombia 280 712,896 39.28
38 León Mexico 782 2,077,830 37.64
39 Milwaukee United States 214 569,330 37.59
40 Teresina Brazil 324 868,523 37.30
41 San Juan Puerto Rico 125 337,300 37.06
42 San Pedro Sula Honduras 278 771,627 36.03
43 Buenaventura Colombia 157 315,743 35.16
44 Ensenada Mexico 157 449,425 34.93
45 Distrito Central Honduras 389 1,185,662 32.81
46 Philadelphia United States 516 1,576,251 32.74
47 Cartagena Colombia 403 1,287,829 31.29
48 Palmira Colombia 110 358,806 30.66
49 Cúcuta Colombia 296 1,004,451 29.47
50 San Luis Potosí Mexico 365 1,265,177 29.06
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rate
 
List of countries by intentional homicide rate
Location Region Subregion Year Rate Count
Jamaica * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 52.1 1,474
U.S. Virgin Islands Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2012 49.6 52
South Africa * Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2021 41.9 24,865
Saint Lucia * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 39 70
Honduras * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 38.2 3,931
Lesotho * Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2008 37.7 752
Belize * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 31.2 125
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 30.7 32
Saint Kitts and Nevis * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 29.4 14
Trinidad and Tobago * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 29.4 448
Bahamas Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 29.2 119
Saint Martin Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2016 28.7 10
Myanmar * Asia South-eastern Asia 2021 28.4 15,299
Anguilla Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2014 28.3 4
Mexico * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 28.2 35,700
Colombia * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 27.5 14,159
Brazil * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2020 22.4 47,722
Nigeria * Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2019 21.7 44,200
Guatemala * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 20 3,520
Venezuela * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 19.3 5,444
El Salvador * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 18.2 1,147
Antigua and Barbuda Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 17.2 16
Curaçao Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2007 17.1 26
Puerto Rico * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2020 17 556
Saint Pierre and Miquelon Americas Northern America 2009 16.5 1
Guyana * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 16.3 131
Iraq. Central Iraq Asia Western Asia 2021 15.4 5,459
Eritrea Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2012 14.6 474
South Sudan Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2012 14.1 1,504
Ecuador * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 14 2,496
Dominica Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 13.8 10
French Guiana Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2020 13.3 39
Haiti * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 13 1,489
Eswatini Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2021 12.7 151
Panama * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 12.6 550
Namibia * Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2021 12.4 315
Barbados Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 11.4 32
Costa Rica * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 11.4 588
Palau Oceania Micronesia 2018 11.2 2
Nicaragua Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 11 754
Bermuda Americas Northern America 2021 10.9 7
Botswana Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2021 10.5 273
Dominican Republic * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 10.5 1,172
Iraq Asia Western Asia 2013 9.4 3,339
Papua New Guinea * Oceania Melanesia 2010 9.4 713
Uruguay Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 8.9 305
Ethiopia * Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2012 8.6 8,153
Uganda Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2021 8.5 3,912
British Virgin Islands Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2006 8.2 2
Paraguay * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 7.8 525
Kiribati Oceania Micronesia 2012 7.2 8
Russia * Europe Eastern Europe 2021 6.8 9,866
United States * Americas Northern America 2021 6.8 22,941
Yemen * Asia Western Asia 2013 6.3 1,703
Cape Verde * Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2020 6.2 36
Mongolia Asia Eastern Asia 2021 6.2 206
Samoa Oceania Polynesia 2018 6.2 13
Zimbabwe * Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2021 6.1 982
Burundi Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2016 5.8 635
Guadeloupe * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2016 5.8 23
Mayotte Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2009 5.8 12
Peru * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2020 5.7 1,903
Suriname * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 5.7 35
Turks and Caicos Islands Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2014 5.7 2
Greenland * Americas Northern America 2016 5.4 3
Kenya * Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2021 5.3 2,796
Zambia Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2015 5.2 853
Liechtenstein Europe Western Europe 2021 5.1 2
Thailand * Asia South-eastern Asia 2011 4.8 3,307
Seychelles Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2021 4.7 5
Argentina * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 4.6 2,093
Tunisia Africa Northern Africa 2020 4.6 562
Cameroon Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2020 4.5 1,202
Cayman Islands Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2020 4.5 3
Cuba * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2019 4.4 500
Niger Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2012 4.4 788
Philippines * Asia South-eastern Asia 2019 4.3 4,764
Guam Oceania Micronesia 2019 4.2 7
Angola Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2016 4.1 1,196
East Timor Asia South-eastern Asia 2015 4.1 49
Afghanistan * Asia Southern Asia 2021 4 1,613
Grenada Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 4 5
Marshall Islands Oceania Micronesia 1994 4 2
Pakistan * Asia Southern Asia 2021 4 9,207
Ukraine * Europe Eastern Europe 2021 3.8 1,673
Solomon Islands Oceania Melanesia 2008 3.7 19
Tanzania Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2020 3.7 2,286
Chile * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 3.6 708
Mozambique Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2011 3.6 849
Rwanda Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2020 3.6 472
Bolivia * Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2021 3.5 422
Cook Islands Oceania Polynesia 2012 3.5 1
Sri Lanka * Asia Southern Asia 2019 3.4 742
Gibraltar * Europe Southern Europe 2010 3.2 1
Kazakhstan * Asia Central Asia 2020 3.2 606
São Tomé and Príncipe Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2011 3.2 6
Liberia * Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2012 3.1 135
New Caledonia Oceania Melanesia 2009 3.1 8
Latvia * Europe Northern Europe 2021 3 57
Moldova * Europe Eastern Europe 2020 3 93
India * Asia Southern Asia 2021 2.9 41,330
Martinique Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2009 2.8 11
Andorra Europe Southern Europe 2020 2.6 2
Lithuania Europe Northern Europe 2021 2.6 72
Mauritius * Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2021 2.6 34
New Zealand * Oceania Australia and New Zealand 2019 2.6 129
Bhutan * Asia Southern Asia 2020 2.5 19
Turkey * Asia Western Asia 2021 2.5 2,136
Iran * Asia Southern Asia 2014 2.4 1,936
Montenegro * Europe Southern Europe 2021 2.4 15
Albania * Europe Southern Europe 2021 2.3 66
Bangladesh * Asia Southern Asia 2018 2.3 3,830
Belarus Europe Eastern Europe 2019 2.3 225
Lebanon Asia Western Asia 2020 2.3 128
Nepal * Asia Southern Asia 2019 2.3 659
Armenia * Asia Western Asia 2021 2.2 61
Fiji Oceania Melanesia 2020 2.2 20
Iraq (Kurdistan Region) Asia Western Asia 2013 2.2 111
Canada * Americas Northern America 2021 2.1 788
Sierra Leone Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2020 2.1 176
Syria Asia Western Asia 2010 2.1 463
Estonia * Europe Northern Europe 2021 2 26
Georgia Asia Western Asia 2019 2 77
Kosovo * Europe Southern Europe 2021 2 33
Aruba Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2014 1.9 2
Azerbaijan * Asia Western Asia 2021 1.9 197
Israel * Asia Western Asia 2021 1.9 173
Morocco Africa Northern Africa 2021 1.9 716
Cambodia * Asia South-eastern Asia 2011 1.8 268
Ghana * Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2021 1.8 603
Malawi Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2012 1.8 279
Réunion Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2009 1.7 15
Algeria Africa Northern Africa 2021 1.6 695
Finland * Europe Northern Europe 2020 1.6 91
Vietnam * Asia South-eastern Asia 2011 1.5 1,358
Uzbekistan Asia Central Asia 2021 1.4 479
Bulgaria * Europe Eastern Europe 2021 1.3 88
Cyprus Asia Western Asia 2021 1.3 16
Egypt * Africa Northern Africa 2017 1.3 1,360
Romania * Europe Eastern Europe 2021 1.3 244
United Kingdom *. England and Wales Europe Northern Europe 2021 1.2 696
Belgium * Europe Western Europe 2021 1.1 125
France * Europe Western Europe 2021 1.1 734
Guinea-Bissau Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2017 1.1 21
North Macedonia Europe Southern Europe 2019 1.1 24
Northern Ireland * Europe Northern Europe 2021 1.1 21
Scotland * Europe Northern Europe 2020 1.1 58
Serbia * Europe Southern Europe 2021 1.1 77
Sweden * Europe Northern Europe 2021 1.1 113
Turkmenistan Asia Central Asia 2015 1.1 63
Bosnia and Herzegovina Europe Southern Europe 2021 1 32
Jordan Asia Western Asia 2021 1 114
Mauritania * Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2020 1 46
Slovakia * Europe Eastern Europe 2021 1 55
Tonga * Oceania Polynesia 2019 1 1
United Kingdom * Europe Northern Europe 2020 1 673
Greece * Europe Southern Europe 2021 0.9 89
Micronesia Oceania Micronesia 2019 0.9 1
Palestine * Asia Western Asia 2021 0.9 45
Tajikistan Asia Central Asia 2020 0.9 87
Croatia Europe Southern Europe 2021 0.8 33
Denmark * Europe Northern Europe 2021 0.8 47
Germany * Europe Western Europe 2021 0.8 695
Hungary * Europe Eastern Europe 2021 0.8 75
Portugal * Europe Southern Europe 2021 0.8 82
Saudi Arabia * Asia Western Asia 2019 0.8 285
Australia * Oceania Australia and New Zealand 2021 0.7 193
Austria * Europe Western Europe 2021 0.7 65
Malaysia * Asia South-eastern Asia 2021 0.7 243
Netherlands Europe Western Europe 2021 0.7 114
Poland * Europe Eastern Europe 2021 0.7 273
Indonesia * Asia South-eastern Asia 2004 0.6 1,419
Luxembourg Europe Western Europe 2021 0.6 4
Maldives * Asia Southern Asia 2019 0.6 3
Spain * Europe Southern Europe 2021 0.6 290
Brunei Asia South-eastern Asia 2013 0.5 2
China * Asia Eastern Asia 2020 0.5 7,157
Iceland Europe Northern Europe 2021 0.5 2
Italy * Europe Southern Europe 2021 0.5 303
Norway * Europe Northern Europe 2021 0.5 29
South Korea * Asia Eastern Asia 2021 0.5 270
Switzerland * Europe Western Europe 2021 0.5 42
United Arab Emirates * Asia Western Asia 2021 0.5 44
Czech Republic * Europe Eastern Europe 2021 0.4 47
French Polynesia Oceania Polynesia 2009 0.4 1
Ireland Europe Northern Europe 2021 0.4 22
Macau * Asia Eastern Asia 2021 0.4 3
Malta Europe Southern Europe 2021 0.4 2
Slovenia * Europe Southern Europe 2021 0.4 9
Hong Kong * Asia Eastern Asia 2021 0.3 23
Kuwait * Asia Western Asia 2020 0.3 11
Qatar * Asia Western Asia 2021 0.3 9
Vanuatu Oceania Melanesia 2020 0.3 1
Japan * Asia Eastern Asia 2021 0.2 285
Oman * Asia Western Asia 2021 0.2 11
Bahrain * Asia Western Asia 2021 0.1 1
Singapore * Asia South-eastern Asia 2021 0.1 6
American Samoa Oceania Polynesia 2019 0 0
Holy See Europe Southern Europe 2021 0 0
Isle of Man Europe Northern Europe 2016 0 0
Monaco Europe Western Europe 2008 0 0
Montserrat Americas Latin America and the Caribbean 2018 0 0
Saint Helena Africa Sub-Saharan Africa 2009 0 0
San Marino Europe Southern Europe 2011 0 0
Tuvalu * Oceania Polynesia 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
 
anonymoose said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Ahh, let's put a little math to the situation:

In 2021 the population of Jamaica was a little over 2,800,000.

1% of that is 28,000.

5% of that is 1,400.

The actual number of deaths by guns counted in the OP link was 1,474.

So you had less than 6% of less than 1% of the entire population killed by guns. Nothing to ignore, but hardly the apocalypse due to gun control that clowns like Weingarten and sycophantic gun monkey's love to howl about.

Nice try though, Moosie.
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Firearms regulation in Mexico
Mexico has extremely restrictive laws regarding gun possession. There are only two stores in the entire country, DCAM near the capital, and OTCA, in Apodaca, Nuevo León. It also takes months of paperwork to have a chance at purchasing one legally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firea...st be registered,, one handgun) per household.
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:palm: WTF is the matter with you gun monkeys, anyway? Comparing apples and oranges like Mexican (or most South American) gov't to American gov't, local and federal, is immensely misleading and incompatible when it comes to gun control debate.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE COJONES TO CONCEDE THE PREVIOUS POINT AS TO HOW MISLEADING THE OP WAS.

So like a good little gun monkey, you just throw any and everything up against the wall, hoping that no one will closely examine your material in lieu of your assertions.

Carry on.
 
The take home message.
Stay out of New Orleans, Baltimore, Detroit and Milwaukee. The four in the u.s. in the top 50 in the world.
 
Taichiliberal said:
:palm: WTF is the matter with you gun monkeys, anyway? Comparing apples and oranges like Mexican (or most South American) gov't to American gov't, local and federal, is immensely misleading and incompatible when it comes to gun control debate.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE COJONES TO CONCEDE THE PREVIOUS POINT AS TO HOW MISLEADING THE OP WAS.

So like a good little gun monkey, you just throw any and everything up against the wall, hoping that no one will closely examine your material in lieu of your assertions.

Carry on.
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I'm for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
But just for kicks I thought I'd compare homicide rates in cities and countries and their gun laws from around the world.
Looks like most countries have very strict gun laws, even those that have higher homicide rates than the u.s.
So it must be something else.
Personally I think it's culture.
I was surprised to see Russia just ahead of the u.s., them being a very strict authoritarian country.
 
A glance tells me banana republics have the worst problem in general.
Of course New Orleans is very much a banana republic.
I know, having lived there.
Must be the heat and humidity.
 
anonymoose said:
The take home message.
Stay out of New Orleans, Baltimore, Detroit and Milwaukee. The four in the u.s. in the top 50 in the world.
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Blow it out your moose butt with gun monkey rhetoric.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE COJONES TO CONCEDE THE PREVIOUS POINT AS TO HOW MISLEADING THE OP WAS.

End of story.
 
anonymoose said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
:palm: WTF is the matter with you gun monkeys, anyway? Comparing apples and oranges like Mexican (or most South American) gov't to American gov't, local and federal, is immensely misleading and incompatible when it comes to gun control debate.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE COJONES TO CONCEDE THE PREVIOUS POINT AS TO HOW MISLEADING THE OP WAS.

So like a good little gun monkey, you just throw any and everything up against the wall, hoping that no one will closely examine your material in lieu of your assertions.

Carry on.
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I'm for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
But just for kicks I thought I'd compare homicide rates in cities and countries and their gun laws from around the world.
Looks like most countries have very strict gun laws, even those that have higher homicide rates than the u.s.
So it must be something else.
Personally I think it's culture.
I was surprised to see Russia just ahead of the u.s., them being a very strict authoritarian country.
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1. Why would one repeal a law that enables citizens to form a legally recognized militia? That's dumb.

2. Don't be a wussy. Your OP was typical gun monkey rhetoric. That I deconstructed it to show how misleading your implication was just burns your moose butt.

3. If one had the time, they could just do what I did to show just how misleading your ploy is https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?207267-Gun-laws-in-Jamaica&p=5786317#post5786317

4. Now you're just blowing smoke because you realize that your gun monkey rhetoric does not stand up to scrutiny.

5. irrelevant.

6. irrelevant.
 
anonymoose said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Blow it out your moose butt with gun monkey rhetoric.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE COJONES TO CONCEDE THE PREVIOUS POINT AS TO HOW MISLEADING THE OP WAS.

End of story.
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It corroborates with the other thread I started.
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?207270-Firearms-regulation-in-Mexico
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Which doesn't change the facts of posts #2 and #7. You're just being stubborn to the point of insipidness.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Ahh, let's put a little math to the situation:

In 2021 the population of Jamaica was a little over 2,800,000.

1% of that is 28,000.

5% of that is 1,400.

The actual number of deaths by guns counted in the OP link was 1,474.

So you had less than 6% of less than 1% of the entire population killed by guns. Nothing to ignore, but hardly the apocalypse due to gun control that clowns like Weingarten and sycophantic gun monkey's love to howl about.

Nice try though, Moosie.
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You really didn't have to do that. It was right there in the link:

Rates are calculated per 100,000 inhabitants

Still makes it the highest in the world. The U.S. is 52nd right behind Russia which surprised me.
Anyway, it sounds like you're minimizing homicide rates as if they're not a problem.
So if the U.S. is 52nd and Jamaico is No. 1, then it's not a problem in the U.S.?
 
anonymoose said:
List of cities by homicide rate


Rankings (2019)

This section relies largely or entirely on a single source. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please help improve this article by introducing citations to additional sources.
Find sources: "List of cities by homicide rate" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR (June 2023)
The following 50 cities have the highest homicide rates in the world of all cities not at war, with a population of at least 300,000 people.[1] This is based on 2019 data from El Consejo Ciudadano para la Seguridad Pública y la Justicia Penal (The Citizen Council for Public Security and Criminal Justice), an advocacy group from Mexico City.[2]

Rank City Country Homicides Population Homicides
per 100,000
1 Colima Mexico 601 330,329 181.94
2 Zamora Mexico 552 310,575 177.73
3 Ciudad Obregón Mexico 454 328,430 138.23
4 Zacatecas Mexico 490 363,996 134.62
5 Tijuana Mexico 2,177 2,070,875 105.12
6 Celaya Mexico 740 742,662 99.64
7 Uruapan Mexico 282 360,338 78.26
8 New Orleans United States 266 376,971 70.56
9 Ciudad Juárez Mexico 1,034 1,527,482 67.69
10 Acapulco Mexico 513 782,661 65.55
11 Mossoró Brazil 167 264,181 63.21
12 Cape Town South Africa 2,998 4,758,405 63.00
13 Irapuato Mexico 539 874,997 61.60
14 Cuernavaca Mexico 410 681,086 60.20
15 Durban South Africa 2,405 4,050,968 59.37
16 Kingston Jamaica 722 1,235,013 58.46
17 Baltimore United States 333 576,498 57.76
18 Nelson Mandela Bay (Port Elizabeth) South Africa 687 1,250,484 56.99
19 Salvador Brazil 2,085 3,678,414 56.68
20 Port-au-Prince Haiti 1,596 2,915,000 54.75
21 Manaus Brazil 1,041 2,054,731 50.66
22 Feira de Santana Brazil 327 652,592 50.11
23 Detroit United States 309 632,454 48.86
24 Guayaquil Ecuador 1,537 3,141,793 47.77
25 Memphis United States 302 632,464 47.75
26 Vitória da Conquista Brazil 184 387,524 47.48
27 Cleveland United States 168 367,991 45.65
28 Natal Brazil 569 1,262,741 45.06
29 Cancun Mexico 406 920,865 44.09
30 Chihuahua Mexico 414 944,413 43.84
31 Fortaleza Brazil 1,678 3,936,509 42.63
32 Cali Colombia 1,007 2,392,381 42.09
33 Morelia Mexico 359 853,831 42.05
34 Johannesburg South Africa 2,547 6,148,353 41.43
35 Recife Brazil 1,494 3,745,082 39.89
36 Maceió Brazil 379 960,667 39.45
37 Santa Marta Colombia 280 712,896 39.28
38 León Mexico 782 2,077,830 37.64
39 Milwaukee United States 214 569,330 37.59
40 Teresina Brazil 324 868,523 37.30
41 San Juan Puerto Rico 125 337,300 37.06
42 San Pedro Sula Honduras 278 771,627 36.03
43 Buenaventura Colombia 157 315,743 35.16
44 Ensenada Mexico 157 449,425 34.93
45 Distrito Central Honduras 389 1,185,662 32.81
46 Philadelphia United States 516 1,576,251 32.74
47 Cartagena Colombia 403 1,287,829 31.29
48 Palmira Colombia 110 358,806 30.66
49 Cúcuta Colombia 296 1,004,451 29.47
50 San Luis Potosí Mexico 365 1,265,177 29.06
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rate
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Interestingly, New Orleans and Baltimore, US cities, are in the top 10. Both have about a 60 to 65% Black population. In fact, every US city on this list is heavily Black and far above the national average by somewhere between 3 and 5 times it.
 
anonymoose said:
A glance tells me banana republics have the worst problem in general.
Of course New Orleans is very much a banana republic.
I know, having lived there.
Must be the heat and humidity.
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No, but that doesn't help. Makes people mad.

When it's 96 and 80% humidity? That's not a nice day.
 
anonymoose said:
A glance tells me banana republics have the worst problem in general.
Of course New Orleans is very much a banana republic.
I know, having lived there.
Must be the heat and humidity.
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That's not what I see. I see countries and cities with a large Black / African population being the most serious problem, only matched by narco-states like Mexico, Colombia, and the like. New Orleans is nearly 66% Black. Baltimore is over 50% Black.
 
anonymoose said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Ahh, let's put a little math to the situation:

In 2021 the population of Jamaica was a little over 2,800,000.

1% of that is 28,000.

5% of that is 1,400.

The actual number of deaths by guns counted in the OP link was 1,474.

So you had less than 6% of less than 1% of the entire population killed by guns. Nothing to ignore, but hardly the apocalypse due to gun control that clowns like Weingarten and sycophantic gun monkey's love to howl about.

Nice try though, Moosie.
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You really didn't have to do that. It was right there in the link:

Rates are calculated per 100,000 inhabitants

Still makes it the highest in the world. The U.S. is 52nd right behind Russia which surprised me.
Anyway, it sounds like you're minimizing homicide rates as if they're not a problem.
So if the U.S. is 52nd and Jamaico is No. 1, then it's not a problem in the U.S.?
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America's population has been hovering over 300 million for decades. So ANY statistic from a country of 2 million will seem huge...unless one uses cognitive reasoning and logical examination of ALL the information available.

All you're doing is just regurgitating the SOS, which doesn't change the FACTS of my analysis .... when all is said and done, you're trying to make a point by alluding to an exaggerated narrative. When the cold, hard facts are put out, it shows that you're just another BSing :orang:
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's not what I see. I see countries and cities with a large Black / African population being the most serious problem, only matched by narco-states like Mexico, Colombia, and the like. New Orleans is nearly 66% Black. Baltimore is over 50% Black.
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Meanwhile, back in Ukraine,
 
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