Hey Watermark....the Conservative Government in Canada NOT toppled....

CanadianKid said:
Thanks for the misinformation!

CK
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I know it hasn't been technically toppled... but it's about to be. As soon as parliament starts again, and they can present a motion of confidence, and a liberal-ndp coalition supported by the bloc will come into power. Of course, Harper is trying to suspend parliament so that he can avoid the vote, and I hope the governor turns down his request, since he clearly doesn't enjoy the confidence of parliament and is just using delay tactics.
 
Watermark said:
I know it hasn't been technically toppled... but it's about to be. As soon as parliament starts again, and they can present a motion of confidence, and a liberal-ndp coalition supported by the bloc will come into power. Of course, Harper is trying to suspend parliament so that he can avoid the vote, and I hope the governor turns down his request, since he clearly doesn't enjoy the confidence of parliament and is just using delay tactics.
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It's not a governor, it's a governor general, as in a figurehead with largely symbolic power that is never independently used and she already approved the suspension.
CK gets it right, you look like an ass with your sad attempt at pretending you are able to keep up with international politics.
 
KingCondanomation said:
It's not a governor, it's a governor general, as in a figurehead with largely symbolic power that is never independently used and she already approved the suspension.
CK gets it right, you look like an ass with your sad attempt at pretending you are able to keep up with international politics.
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It was an incorrect decision to give the former prime minister more time to fuck up Canada.

Has-been rhymes with Stephen Harper.
 
It happened 3 hours ago, you fucking retard. I don't follow the news as excessively as you. And it's perfectly OK to refer to a governer-general as a governer, you fucking retard.

But if the governer-general actually suspended government to let dictator Harper have his way with the Canadian people, she should be removed from office. This is a coup. Harper is not the prime minister of Canada anymore, he does not have the confidence of parliament.
 
Ooh, it's just what every Canadian wanted for Christmas - a full blown constitutional crisis.

Seriously, this is probably the most momentous thing to happen in Canada since a moose knocked over Mrs Mulcahy's maple syrup stall, in Yellowknife, back in the spring of 1957.
 
charver said:
Ooh, it's just what every Canadian wanted for Christmas - a full blown constitutional crisis.

Seriously, this is probably the most momentous thing to happen in Canada since a moose knocked over Mrs Mulcahy's maple syrup stall, in Yellowknife, back in the spring of 1957.
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It's true, it's the only thing in my memory that's ever happened in Canada that was important.

Does a prime minister have the right to suspend parliament to avoid a confidence vote? That seems extremely dictatorial to anyone with a sound mind. It undermines the foundation of their entire system, if prime ministers could just install themselves permanently by calling suspension after suspension. It shouldn't have been allowed.
 
Watermark said:
It's true, it's the only thing in my memory that's ever happened in Canada that was important.

Does a prime minister have the right to suspend parliament to avoid a confidence vote? That seems extremely dictatorial to anyone with a sound mind. It undermines the foundation of their entire system, if prime ministers could just install themselves permanently by calling suspension after suspension. It shouldn't have been allowed.
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It is a very odd decision.

This may very well come from appointing a Governor General with no apparent knowledge of the constitution. It should be more than a little unsettling for the Canadians but, if they are anything like as ignorant of constitutional law and political systems as the UK population, most won't have a clue what is going on, never mind its actual significance.

I bet the Queen is pissed off though.
 
This is probably going to lead to a situation where they elect their own figurehead, and said figurehead actually has to know something about the constitution. And any holes in the constitution that allow dirty tricks to avoid confidence votes are probably going to be plugged in the coming Liberal-NDP administration.
 
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Watermark said:
It's true, it's the only thing in my memory that's ever happened in Canada that was important.

Does a prime minister have the right to suspend parliament to avoid a confidence vote? That seems extremely dictatorial to anyone with a sound mind. It undermines the foundation of their entire system, if prime ministers could just install themselves permanently by calling suspension after suspension. It shouldn't have been allowed.
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Permanently? Maybe you're forgetting that he still has to go through elections and they just had one 2 months ago. The people spoke and his party received the most votes, boohoo for leftwing parties that received less and wanted to usurp power.

Beyond that he has no right to suspend parliament, hence why he got the governor-general to do so. She likely wanted to, to let Canadians have a debate on it until parliament resumes and it helps the Liberal Party as much as the Conservatives. The only people who stand to gain are the NDP and Bloc and I suppose Dion (who is a dead man walking and little to lose). There are many in the Liberal party who don't want to join up with far left Socialists and there are far more who have no interest in giving Quebec seperatists even a whiff of power.

And the governor general is NEVER called a governor, it's completely different, ask CK, he lives there, he will laugh at you.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Permanently? Maybe you're forgetting that he still has to go through elections and they just had one 2 months ago. The people spoke and his party received the most votes, boohoo for leftwing parties that received less and wanted to usurp power.

Beyond that he has no right to suspend parliament, hence why he got the governor-general to do so. She likely wanted to, to let Canadians have a debate on it until parliament resumes and it helps the Liberal Party as much as the Conservatives. The only people who stand to gain are the NDP and Bloc and I suppose Dion (who is a dead man walking and little to lose). There are many in the Liberal party who don't want to join up with far left Socialists and there are far more who have no interest in giving Quebec seperatists even a whiff of power.

And the governor general is NEVER called a governor, it's completely different, ask CK, he lives there, he will laugh at you.
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The governer general is like the president of Ireland or the queen of England - practically no power, except a few ceremonial roles. I understand that.

The leftwing parties got more votes than Harpers conservatives. Almsot twice as many people voted for the left than the right, and they actually got more seats than the right, even though their vote was split under the stupid plurality system. Boohoo for the conservatives.

NO country with a parliamentary system allows the prime minister to suspend parliament to avoid a vote of confidence. That undermines the foundations of the entire system. It is a dictatorial tactic. The Liberal-NDP coalition will plug that hole in the constitution.

And as for the horrror of the seperatists, Stephen Harper himself wanted to form minority government with them a few years back. All of the sudden they are a horror - I wonder why?
 
Watermark said:
The governer general is like the president of Ireland or the queen of England - practically no power, except a few ceremonial roles. I understand that.
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Um no, the governor-general IS the queen's representative there and they have power but almost never independently use it because they are unelected.

Watermark said:
The leftwing parties got more votes than Harpers conservatives. Almsot twice as many people voted for the left than the right, and they actually got more seats than the right, even though their vote was split under the stupid plurality system. Boohoo for the conservatives.

NO country with a parliamentary system allows the prime minister to suspend parliament to avoid a vote of confidence. That undermines the foundations of the entire system. It is a dictatorial tactic. The Liberal-NDP coalition will plug that hole in the constitution.
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I already explained to you that he does NOT have that power, hence why he went to the governor-general. The majority of Canadians are against the coalition and support the Conservatives, so who really is being undemocratic?
"60% back Tory hold on power, poll finds"
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/politics/story.html?id=1033820

Watermark said:
And as for the horrror of the seperatists, Stephen Harper himself wanted to form minority government with them a few years back. All of the sudden they are a horror - I wonder why?
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This is a lie. He has certainly voted with them before, just like any of the parties. That's a world of difference between giving them power to govern and influence on writing legislation.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Um no, the governor-general IS the queen's representative there and they have power but almost never independently use it because they are unelected.


I already explained to you that he does NOT have that power, hence why he went to the governor-general. The majority of Canadians are against the coalition and support the Conservatives, so who really is being undemocratic?
"60% back Tory hold on power, poll finds"
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/politics/story.html?id=1033820


This is a lie. He has certainly voted with them before, just like any of the parties. That's a world of difference between giving them power to govern and influence on writing legislation.
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You're an idiot.

A real poll was held seven weeks back, it was called an election, and 60% of the people voted for the parties holding the coalition.

Fucking retard.
 
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