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I was just watching C-Span, where different speakers are talking about the ICE of some of the glaciers on the planet. The speaker was a clean cut middle aged guy, who is a scientist for NASA (I did not get his name--sorry). He talked in great lengths of the capabilities of the two different measureing devices, via satelite. One was called GRACE, and I think that one was good at measuring the area of the ice. The other name I forgot, but it was good at measuring thickness. Those two methods, together with actually sending people out there for density samples seem like pretty good methods to me, a degreed engineer myself. (note the long haired hippy speaker speaking gloom and doom now on C-Span--has mentioned nothing asbout the accuracy or repeatability of the methods he gets information from).
The much wiser NASA scientist did measure a "trend" over the last 4 or so years of ice being reduced, espically on the edges (using the GRACE method of measuring area), but he did note that some glaciers are gaining in thickness in the middle, and it is more than the edges reduction in some cases. He did show a slight trend though. But what does that mean to the dooms dayers? That means the world is going to come to a end, ane ice is melting, water levels are going to rise (but our local water levels in Michigan is lower for some reaon--go figure). That is all many people need to hear, that there is a trend right now.
They will completely disregard the last statement the scientist from NASA stated before he left the stage. "Ice like this has a big variation, and one short trend is not sufficient to make a decision with good confidence that this variation is outside of normal variation. We will need more time to see more (evidently we did not have or use these fairly accurate way of meashuring ice for very long, and have no good history), and we have a lot of work to do to fully understand how the ice works."
To me, listening to his NASA scientist, and what he had to say (and I was ready to rip him apart)--If you understand everything he actually said--I did not feel like he was throwing out an alarm. Just simply giving the facts that some ice is melting, and some is growing, which he knows it is normal and cyclic, and they don't know if it is outside natural variation.
Now--the hippy is talking about the oil companies and is asking questions of the public that real scientists can't answer yet. It's getting really emotional in that room.
The much wiser NASA scientist did measure a "trend" over the last 4 or so years of ice being reduced, espically on the edges (using the GRACE method of measuring area), but he did note that some glaciers are gaining in thickness in the middle, and it is more than the edges reduction in some cases. He did show a slight trend though. But what does that mean to the dooms dayers? That means the world is going to come to a end, ane ice is melting, water levels are going to rise (but our local water levels in Michigan is lower for some reaon--go figure). That is all many people need to hear, that there is a trend right now.
They will completely disregard the last statement the scientist from NASA stated before he left the stage. "Ice like this has a big variation, and one short trend is not sufficient to make a decision with good confidence that this variation is outside of normal variation. We will need more time to see more (evidently we did not have or use these fairly accurate way of meashuring ice for very long, and have no good history), and we have a lot of work to do to fully understand how the ice works."
To me, listening to his NASA scientist, and what he had to say (and I was ready to rip him apart)--If you understand everything he actually said--I did not feel like he was throwing out an alarm. Just simply giving the facts that some ice is melting, and some is growing, which he knows it is normal and cyclic, and they don't know if it is outside natural variation.
Now--the hippy is talking about the oil companies and is asking questions of the public that real scientists can't answer yet. It's getting really emotional in that room.
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