Iraq Plans: McCain/Clinton/Obama

Cypress

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Yeah, someone called someone a gook, and someone refused to shake someone's hand. Offensive faux paus.

This is what the election boils down to for me.

Straight from their Websites. The differences are quite obvious to even the mildly observant.


HILLARY CLINTON’S Iraq Plan:

Starting Phased Redeployment within Hillary's First Days in Office: The most important part of Hillary's plan is the first: to end our military engagement in Iraq's civil war and immediately start bringing our troops home. As president, one of Hillary's first official actions would be to convene the Joint Chiefs of Staff, her Secretary of Defense, and her National Security Council. She would direct them to draw up a clear, viable plan to bring our troops home starting with the first 60 days of her Administration. She would also direct the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans Affairs to prepare a comprehensive plan to provide the highest quality health care and benefits to every service member -- including every member of the National Guard and Reserves -- and their families.

Securing Stability in Iraq as we Bring our Troops Home. As president, Hillary would focus American aid efforts during our redeployment on stabilizing Iraq, not propping up the Iraqi government. She would direct aid to the entities -- whether governmental or non-governmental -- most likely to get it into the hands of the Iraqi people. She would also support the appointment of a high level U.N. representative -- similar to those appointed in Afghanistan, Bosnia, and Kosovo -- to help broker peace among the parties in Iraq.

A New Intensive Diplomatic Initiative in the Region. In her first days in office, Hillary would convene a regional stabilization group composed of key allies, other global powers, and all of the states bordering Iraq. The- mission of this group would be to develop and implement a strategy to create a stable Iraq. It would have three specific goals:

Non-interference. Working with the U.N. representative, the group would work to convince Iraq's neighbors to refrain from getting involved in the civil war.
Mediation. The group would attempt to mediate among the different sectarian groups in Iraq with the goal of attaining compromises on fundamental points of disputes.
Reconstruction funding. The members of the group would hold themselves and other countries to their past pledges to provide funding to Iraq and will encourage additional contributions to meet Iraq's extensive needs.

As our forces redeploy out of Iraq, Hillary would also organize a multi-billion dollar international effort -- funded by a wide range of donor states -- under the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees to address the needs of Iraqi refugees. And as we replace military force with diplomacy and global leadership, Hillary will not lose sight of our very real strategic interests in the region. She would devote the resources we need to fight terrorism and will order specialized units to engage in narrow and targeted operations against al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations in the region.


JOHN MCCAIN’S Iraq Plan:

Bolster Troops on the Ground
A greater military commitment now is necessary if we are to achieve long-term success in Iraq. John McCain agrees with retired Army General Jack Keane that there are simply not enough American forces in Iraq. More troops are necessary to clear and hold insurgent strongholds; to provide security for rebuilding local institutions and economies; to halt sectarian violence in Baghdad and disarm Sunni and Shia militias; to dismantle al Qaeda; to train the Iraqi Army; and to embed American personnel in Iraqi police units. Accomplishing each of these goals will require more troops and is a crucial prerequisite for needed economic and political development in the country. America's ultimate strategy is to give Iraqis the capabilities to govern and secure their own country.

Implement New Counterinsurgency Strategy
For most of the occupation, military strategy has focused on securing all of Iraq by establishing bases and conducting short operations from them. Ultimately, this secured only small areas of the country. John McCain believes the current force structure and power vacuum persisting in many areas of the country demands a more robust counterinsurgency strategy. Iraqi and American forces must not only use force to clear areas occupied by insurgents but to stay and hold these areas to deny them as a base for insurgent forces and allow economic and political development to occur in a secure environment. By emphasizing safety of the local population, this strategy will create strongholds in which insurgents find it difficult to operate.

BARAK OBAMA’S Iraq Plan:

Judgment You Can Trust
As a candidate for the United States Senate in 2002, Obama put his political career on the line to oppose going to war in Iraq, and warned of “an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs, and undetermined consequences.” Obama has been a consistent, principled and vocal opponent of the war in Iraq.

Bringing Our Troops Home
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.

Press Iraq’s Leaders to Reconcile
The best way to press Iraq’s leaders to take responsibility for their future is to make it clear that we are leaving. As we remove our troops, Obama will engage representatives from all levels of Iraqi society – in and out of government – to seek a new accord on Iraq’s Constitution and governance. The United Nations will play a central role in this convention, which should not adjourn until a new national accord is reached addressing tough questions like federalism and oil revenue-sharing.

Regional Diplomacy
Obama will launch the most aggressive diplomatic effort in recent American history to reach a new compact on the stability of Iraq and the Middle East. This effort will include all of Iraq’s neighbors — including Iran and Syria. This compact will aim to secure Iraq’s borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda; support reconciliation among Iraq’s sectarian groups; and provide financial support for Iraq’s reconstruction.

Humanitarian Initiative
Obama believes that America has a moral and security responsibility to confront Iraq’s humanitarian crisis — two million Iraqis are refugees; two million more are displaced inside their own country. Obama will form an international working group to address this crisis. He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven.
 
Yeah, someone called someone a gook, and someone refused to shake someone's hand. Offensive faux paus.

This is what the election boils down to for me.

Straight from their Websites. The differences are quite obvious to even the mildly observant.

I think we've all been around politics long enough to know that what a candidate writes on their website is worth about as much as the paper it takes to print it out on.
 
Yep Cawacko, but I am hoping that this time the american public will hold the politicians to their word a bit better thna in the past. Just a hope mind you.

but with some, we have some past history to go on. Obama did not support the war from day one. Hillary and MCCain did.
 
this is why we are having record turnout,
one of these two dems is going to have a once in a generational chance to prove it by pulling out of Iraq. They will then guarantee re-election.
It's going to be fun to watch the cartoon believing bible thumpers go through the no blood war withdrawls.
 
I think that whomever is elected will have fun dealing with the economic issues as well and might be blamed for all that.
 
this is why we are having record turnout,
one of these two dems is going to have a once in a generational chance to prove it by pulling out of Iraq. They will then guarantee re-election.
It's going to be fun to watch the cartoon believing bible thumpers go through the no blood war withdrawls.

Topspin, you act like they will walk right into office and immediately pull our troops out of Iraq. That's not going to happen.
 
I think we've all been around politics long enough to know that what a candidate writes on their website is worth about as much as the paper it takes to print it out on.


Your choice, realistically, this fall is between a candidate who wants to continue and possibly expand the iraq war, and one who promises to begin a withdrawl or phased redeployment of combat troops.

If you're embarassed that the GOP candidate wants to continue the war, then that's what you're stuck with.
 
Your choice, realistically, this fall is between a candidate who wants to continue and possibly expand the iraq war, and one who promises to begin a withdrawl or phased redeployment of combat troops.

If you're embarassed that the GOP candidate wants to continue the war, then that's what you're stuck with.

Who said anything about being embarrassed?

I simply said most of us (evidentaly not all of us) have been around long enough to know what a politician says on their website often has very little relation to what they may do while in office.
 
Who said anything about being embarrassed?

I simply said most of us (evidentaly not all of us) have been around long enough to know what a politician says on their website often has very little relation to what they may do while in office.

Have you been taking lessons from Superfreak? That Obama and Clinton are the same as the GOP on iraq?

I don't trust Obama or Clinton on iraq. But, they will be held to their campaign promises. You, I, or anyone else votes primarily on what a candidate promises to do.

Your candidate promises to expand and continue the iraq war.

Obama and Clinton promise to begin withdrawing combat troops.


It's as simple as that.
 
Have you been taking lessons from Superfreak? That Obama and Clinton are the same as the GOP on iraq?

I don't trust Obama or Clinton on iraq. But, they will be held to their campaign promises. You, I, or anyone else votes primarily on what a candidate promises to do.

Your candidate promises to expand and continue the iraq war.

Obama and Clinton promise to begin withdrawing combat troops.


It's as simple as that.

I'm well aware of what they say on Iraq and many other issues. Do I take any of them on their word that their actions will follow their words? No.

For example, take a politician who promises on the campaign trail not to raise taxes and then upon entering office says "wow, I didn't know the deficit was this big as a result I have to raise taxes".

That's just one example of hundreds that politicians use.
 
I believe that Hillary Clinton would check the winds for years before she did it, if she ever did at all.

I think Barack Obama would do it as soon as he got the Congressional support for it.

Ron Paul would do it at his Inauguration Speech. :)

But yes, McCain is a total warmonger and I'm feeling less and less like I'm going to be voting Republican this year. Unless Romney pulls out a total upset and tones down his war talk for the general (the first unlikely, the second fairly probable), I will be voting Democrat for Obama or Libertarian, because I like wasting paper.
 
I believe that Hillary Clinton would check the winds for years before she did it, if she ever did at all.

I think Barack Obama would do it as soon as he got the Congressional support for it.

Ron Paul would do it at his Inauguration Speech. :)

But yes, McCain is a total warmonger and I'm feeling less and less like I'm going to be voting Republican this year. Unless Romney pulls out a total upset and tones down his war talk for the general (the first unlikely, the second fairly probable), I will be voting Democrat for Obama or Libertarian, because I like wasting paper.


Of those three candidates, Barak seems most serious about immediately beginning a withdrawl. Based on what he says. I'm not voting for either him or clinton, either way in the primary.

I can't believe the republicans are putting up a guy who explicity promises to continue and expand the war. Unbelievable.
 
Of those three candidates, Barak seems most serious about immediately beginning a withdrawl. Based on what he says. I'm not voting for either him or clinton, either way in the primary.

I can't believe the republicans are putting up a guy who explicity promises to continue and expand the war. Unbelievable.

Well they're fucking fascist warmongers so I'm really not all that surprised.

I have some hope that Romney or even Huckabee (though I hate him) would be much more willing to compromise on Iraq than Bush has been. But now that McCain has staked his position as being ultimate pro-war, I can see him in office saying "Well I said I was gonna fight until the end, and the American people gave me the mandate to do so."

I'm still holding out for the chance that Romney overtakes McCain, Obama overtakes Hillary, or that all Republicans except Paul contract terminal disease before Feb. 5.
 
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