KOS bitchslaps the fake Ron Paul Libertarians on FISA!

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Where are the Libertarians on FISA?
by kos

Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 05:04:24 PM PST
For all the talk of "freedom" that the Paulbots claim to believe in, they sure as heck have been silent on the horrible FISA bill we're fighting to fix in the Senate right now. Same for Ron Paul. Why the silence? And the CATO people and the libertarian publications like Reason, where are they?

Here we are engaged in a huge civil liberties issue, and progressives are being forced to fight this thing alone. It's easy to talk about "liberty". It's much more impressive to actually do something about it.



Well said....

CK
 
CanadianKid said:
Where are the Libertarians on FISA?
by kos

Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 05:04:24 PM PST
For all the talk of "freedom" that the Paulbots claim to believe in, they sure as heck have been silent on the horrible FISA bill we're fighting to fix in the Senate right now. Same for Ron Paul. Why the silence? And the CATO people and the libertarian publications like Reason, where are they?

Here we are engaged in a huge civil liberties issue, and progressives are being forced to fight this thing alone. It's easy to talk about "liberty". It's much more impressive to actually do something about it.



Well said....

CK
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Where are the Libertarians on FISA?

Front page on their party website:

http://www.lp.org/media/article_560.shtml

http://www.lp.org/
 
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Watermark said:
I would like to take this moment to declare CK + KOS owned.
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I think the criticism was directed specifically at the RonPaul! supporters and the likes of the Cato Institute and Reason magazine, not the libertarian party which is so marginalized as to be worthless at the national level. You haven't really rebutted the criticism and the folks at Reason think the criticism was justified:

Reason has been on the FISA beat for a while, but Moulitsas is right: the hated Orange Line Mafia is not doing near enough to pressure Congress on this. The Ron Paul campaign has captured much of the libertarian imagination and the controversies about his newsletters have alienated various sides of the libertarian thinksophere. We need to get over ourselves. The arguments over who wrote what in 1989 or 1990 are less important than whether the Senate retroactively legalizes and forgives international surveillance.
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http://www.reason.com/blog/show/124658.html
 
RStringfield said:
http://www.lp.org/media/article_560.shtml
http://www.reason.com/news/show/121797.html
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/124566.html
http://www.reason.com/news/show/124033.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/018969.html

Seems like dumbass needs to learn how to use a search engine.

As for Cato, fuck Cato!

And here is a response to your idiot idol.

http://reason.com/blog/show/124658.html
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Good for Lew Rockwell. It's a shame he posted it well after the vote today.

Oh, and I agree with the fuck Cato sentiment.
 
Dungheap said:
I think the criticism was directed specifically at the RonPaul! supporters and the likes of the Cato Institute and Reason magazine, not the libertarian party which is so marginalized as to be worthless at the national level. You haven't really rebutted the criticism and the folks at Reason think the criticism was justified:




http://www.reason.com/blog/show/124658.html
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And the CATO people and the libertarian publications like Reason, where are they?

Yep, they were right up where RS posted. Except for CATO. But no one really likes CATO anyway.
 
Not the first time they mentioned it dh. I just picked something recent. Google the blog and home site and you will find many mentions.
 
RStringfield said:
http://www.lp.org/media/article_560.shtml]
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From the above lp article:
Tyranny can come from enemies both domestic and foreign, and we must not forget about one while focusing on the other. Since Sept. 11, 2001, we have been focusing so much attention on those who want to destroy American liberty from outside our borders that we ignored those who wish to do the same from the inside. Their tactics may be different, but their intent is still the same.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/121797.html
From the above Reason article:

Ingenious as the White House has proven at recreating the expedient panic of 2001,however, it is not September 12 anymore. Along with a chance to more cooly appraise the terrorist threat, the intervening years have provided ample evidence of how little this administration can be trusted with its existing powers, let alone new ones. When lawmakers return to Washington this coming September, they might try a bit harder to recall the year as well as the month.
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http://www.reason.com/news/show/124033.html

Make no mistake, retroactive immunity richly deserves to die an inglorious death, for the very reasons immunity advocates advance in its favor. Allowing civil suits to go forward would lead to the disclosure of more information about the scope of unauthorized domestic spying—based not on an executive calculation of the political advantage to be gained from a leak, but an impartial assessment of the security risk. It would deter telecom firms from "cooperating with law enforcement," when law enforcement agencies are conducting illegal surveillance. That sort of deterrence is, presumably, the whole point of laws forbidding revelation of communications data without a court order. But this seems somewhat less urgent if Congress is prepared to simply eliminate the court order requirement for the very types of wiretaps the NSA is known to have conducted, as the version of FISA reform introduced in the Senate would do. To frame it in Republican-grokkable terms, there's little point in quibbling over an amnesty for illegal immigrants if you're about to implement an open-borders policy.
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Socrtease said:
From the above lp article:
Tyranny can come from enemies both domestic and foreign, and we must not forget about one while focusing on the other. Since Sept. 11, 2001, we have been focusing so much attention on those who want to destroy American liberty from outside our borders that we ignored those who wish to do the same from the inside. Their tactics may be different, but their intent is still the same.
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Right on man. Fight the good fight against twisted liberials--and now twisted consertatives. Their base stock is socialism/communisum. Only two types of people want that--people who want welfare and people who want power.
 
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