Marshall University Football Team Disaster

leaningright said:
So sad…
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Agreed.

Probable cause of crash of Flight 932
“The descent below Minimum Descent Altitude during a non-precision approach under adverse weather conditions, without visual contact with the runway environment. The Board has been unable to determine the reason for this descent, although the two most likely explanations are: a) improper use of cockpit instrument data; or b) an altimetry system error.”
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https://www.taproot.com/remembering-an-accident-southern-airways-flight-932/

Either they deliberately went below minimums or their instrumentation failed such as the Radar Altimeter mentioned in the 5G news.

The 5G towers are powerful broadcasting sources, but cellphones in general have caused problems. It's not a single cellphone that was the problem but when 10-30 assholes in the back were using cellphones all at once that caused anomalies in the aircraft navigation systems.

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_pol...fm/go/document.information/documentID/1032206
AC 91.21-1D - Use of Portable Electronic Devices Aboard Aircraft
Section 91.21 was established because of the potential for portable electronic devices (PED) to interfere with aircraft navigation or communication systems, and prohibits the operation of PEDs not installed aboard U.S.-registered civil aircraft while operating under instrument flight rules (IFR). Section 91.21 permits the use of specified PEDs and other devices the operator of the aircraft has determined will not interfere with the safe operation of the aircraft. The recommendations contained herein are one means, but not the only means, of complying with § 91.21 requirements pertaining to the operation of PEDs.
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Fosdick Court

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I’m friends with the salute.
Huh Wut get the F out of here!

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I’m friends with the salute, huh wut get the eff out of here. What did I do?

Acey duecy Austin street
 
AProudLefty said:
My friend's father was in a response team. He said it was the worst day of his life. He never wanted to talk about it.
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No shit. First Responders picking through a mass casuality crash site often become victims of PTSD.

When aluminum tubes and human beings fly into the trees at 130kts+ the result is often aluminum foil and human hamburger. Really gross. The people onboard probably never knew what hit them. The pilots did when they saw the hill but that would have been a few seconds of excitement then game over.

The NTSB report lists it as a "non-survivable accident" which translates they hit so hard it would be impossible to survive. When the report says the aircraft cut a swath about 100 feet wide and 280 feet long what they are sayin is the debris field was spread across the length of the swatch. First Responders and other specialists would have to dig through that despite the horrors of 75 ground up human beings. Not a pretty sight.

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR7211.pdf
 
Dutch Uncle said:
No shit. First Responders picking through a mass casuality crash site often become victims of PTSD.

When aluminum tubes and human beings fly into the trees at 130kts+ the result is often aluminum foil and human hamburger. Really gross. The people onboard probably never knew what hit them. The pilots did when they saw the hill but that would have been a few seconds of excitement then game over.

The NTSB report lists it as a "non-survivable accident" which translates they hit so hard it would be impossible to survive. When the report says the aircraft cut a swath about 100 feet wide and 280 feet long what they are sayin is the debris field was spread across the length of the swatch. First Responders and other specialists would have to dig through that despite the horrors of 75 ground up human beings. Not a pretty sight.

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR7211.pdf
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Exactly. I cannot imagine what he saw and I do not want to know. It was a very painful memory for him. He'd just shut down every time someone mentions it. No discussion at all.
 
This reminds me of a poll question that I've never gotten around to starting:

Q: Whick Lookalike Actor Makes a Better Coach?
A) Matthew McConaughey in We Are Marshall
B) Josh Lucas in Glory Road
 
AProudLefty said:
Exactly. I cannot imagine what he saw and I do not want to know. It was a very painful memory for him. He'd just shut down every time someone mentions it. No discussion at all.
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It's common. There's two main things going on there: the mental anguish such an event causes a human being and American culture stigmatizing mental issues.

It's both why so many PTSD-suffering military personal fail to get help and, consequently, the military suicide rate is higher than the US average. It's not a big leap to include First Responders and law enforcement in those calculations.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...-stress-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20355967
Avoidance

Symptoms of avoidance may include:

  • Trying to avoid thinking or talking about the traumatic event
  • Avoiding places, activities or people that remind you of the traumatic event
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https://deploymentpsych.org/disorders/suicide-main
According to the World Health Organization, almost one million people die by suicide every year, which is a global mortality rate of 10.7 per 100,000. In the United States (U.S.), someone attempts suicide every 31 seconds and an average of 1 person dies by suicide every 11.9 minutes, a rate of 13.3 per 100,000. Suicide is the tenth leading cause of death in the country. An important consideration is that suicides have consistently been underreported for a variety of reasons. Experts have estimated that suicide incidence may be 10-15% higher than officially recorded...

...According to the calendar year 2015 Department of Defense Suicide Event Report (DoDSER) annual report, the standardized suicide rate was 20.2 per 100,000 for the Active component. For the Selected Reserves component, the rates were 24.7 per 100,000 for the Reserves and 27.1 per 100,000 for the National Guard.
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https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2021/04/06/suicides-first-responders/
First responders, including law enforcement officers, firefighters, emergency medical services (EMS) clinicians, and public safety telecommunicators, are crucial to ensuring public safety and health. First responders may be at elevated risk for suicide because of the environments in which they work, their culture, and stress, both occupational and personal. This stress can be acute (associated with a specific incident) or chronic (an accumulation of day-to-day stress). Occupational stress in first responders is associated with increased risk of mental health issues, including hopelessness, anxiety, depression, post-traumatic stress, as well as suicidal behaviors such as suicidal ideation (thinking about or planning suicide) and attempts[3]. Even during routine shifts, first responders can experience stress due to the uncertainty in each situation. During emergencies, disasters, pandemics, and other crises, stress among first responders can be magnified. Relationship problems have also been linked to a large proportion of suicides among the general population (42%)[4]. Because first responders can have challenging work schedules and extreme family-work demands, stress caused by relationship problems may also be magnified in this worker group.
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Dutch Uncle said:
It's common. There's two main things going on there: the mental anguish such an event causes a human being and American culture stigmatizing mental issues.

It's both why so many PTSD-suffering military personal fail to get help and, consequently, the military suicide rate is higher than the US average. It's not a big leap to include First Responders and law enforcement in those calculations.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...-stress-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20355967


https://deploymentpsych.org/disorders/suicide-main


https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2021/04/06/suicides-first-responders/
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Avoidance

Symptoms of avoidance may include:

Trying to avoid thinking or talking about the traumatic event
Avoiding places, activities or people that remind you of the traumatic event

That's exactly it.

You won't ever get a peep of it out of them or take them to places they don't want to go.
 
AProudLefty said:
Avoidance

Symptoms of avoidance may include:

Trying to avoid thinking or talking about the traumatic event
Avoiding places, activities or people that remind you of the traumatic event

That's exactly it.

You won't ever get a peep of it out of them or take them to places they don't want to go.
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Some states can help him with that but there's the social stigma thing.

If it ever causes him family problems, he should consider getting help first before losing his family over it.

https://www.myfloridacfo.com/Division/wc/InfoFaqs/PTSD-FAQs.pdf

https://www.dir.ca.gov/chswc/Meetings/2021/RAND_mentalhealth_brief.pdf
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Some states can help him with that but there's the social stigma thing.

If it ever causes him family problems, he should consider getting help first before losing his family over it.

https://www.myfloridacfo.com/Division/wc/InfoFaqs/PTSD-FAQs.pdf

https://www.dir.ca.gov/chswc/Meetings/2021/RAND_mentalhealth_brief.pdf
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Why does it have to be a social stigma? They could get counseling in private with no record at all.

The stigma came from, I believe, the soldiers being belittled for complaining about it. "Chin up", "Don't be a pussy" and so on and on, they said, especially from the higher ups.

I know you're heard of the 1000 yards stare. It ain't funny.

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AProudLefty said:
Why does it have to be a social stigma? They could get counseling in private with no record at all.

The stigma came from, I believe, the soldiers being belittled for complaining about it. "Chin up", "Don't be a pussy" and so on and on, they said, especially from the higher ups.

I know you're heard of the 1000 yards stare. It ain't funny.

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Mental issues get reported the employer insurance requires it.

IMO, it's because it can't be seen or measured so it's seen as cowardice, weakness, malingering.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Mental issues get reported the employer insurance requires it.

IMO, it's because it can't be seen or measured so it's seen as cowardice, weakness, malingering.
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BTW the terms "snowflake" and "triggered" are insults to those with mental issues.
 
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