MEAT EATING CAUSES WARS​

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bhaktajan

Hare Krishna Templar
Meat eating causes wars, illness, un-controllable lust, draught ---but this knowledge is above the head and shoulders of western civilisation's grand-parentage.

The karmic-payback for enmass meat eating is documented generation after generation ---just analyse the last two centuries by counting and comparing pound-for-pound the mutual losses ---cadaver-to-cadaver.

Such societies will incur enemies that may or may not seem befitting the "Good-guys" side.

Vandal vs Romans perennially.

In regards to "be like your father in Heaven" ---do you suppose that "fox-hunting" & factory farming & gentlemen-Farmers all occur in heaven?

How does one Logically compute via,
"By each according to his works",
the cosmic "Price" accured to one-self [or to a mass of patrons],
the "cost" of a beast's carcass for thanksgiving?

How long does it take to tally-up mass karmic pay-back?


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Mis-translated Bible terms infavor of meat eating?

As a long-standing member of the Hare Krishna Movement, I have learnt by some of my Hindu Vaishnav scholars that certain Bible terms are mis-translated:

Indeed, My ulterior motive is to get nations to turn swords to Plowshares ---this is done by ultimately having a "Change of Heart" as to the reality of fostering Flesh eating [meat in German is 'Fleisch']. Flesh eating begets violence and non-compassion and the illogic fantasy of obtaining peace in an enviroment of butcher-based society.

Vegetarianism as a sublime means of eating, is borne of ordhodox yoga disiplines ---therefore the higher goal of "a-himsa" (No-violence) ergo, "shanti" (peace) can be achieved.

Please review the Greek & hebrew terms, and kindly, verify or deny their veracity:

I'd like to cut and paste the whole Bible text, but for here are the Chapter/Verse of mention of NONE-FLESH EATING:

Old Testiment RE-CAP:

gen 1:29 [vs. Gen 9:3 ~immediately after recovery from the flood].

gen 9:4-5

num 11:33

Isaiah 1:11,15

Isaiah 66.3

Leviticus 3:17


Regarding, "Thou shall not Kill" ---reference:

The hebrew words are: 'Lo tirtzach' ---according to Dr Reuben Alcalay's 'Complete Hebrew/English Dictionary', 'tirtzach' refers to any kind of killing.

Christ was vegetarian ---there are 19 Gospel referneces to 'meat' all have been mis-translated from the original Greek Bible text:


Greek (3 of references) - English meaning:
Broma (4) - 'food' Romans 14:15, 20-21; I Corinthians 8:8, 10:3
Brosis (4) - 'the act of eating' Romans 14:17
Brosimos (1) - 'that which may be eaten'
Phago (3) - 'to eat' Luke 8:55
Prosphagon (1) - 'anything to eat'
Trophe (6) - 'nourishment' John 4:8, Acts 9:19, Acts 27:33-36
and,
Trapesa (?) - 'table' "...They set a table before him ..." Acts 16:34

Thus, John 21:5 "Have ye any meat" ---is incorrect. it should have been translated:
"Have ye 'anything to eat'"

Regarding, "FISH" ---reference: The secret & mystical symbol/Password for "Christian" in Roman Prosecution Times, derived from the Greek word for fish, ICHTHUS ---forming the acronym: Iesous Christos Theou Uios Soter (Jesus Christ Son of God Saviour)

New Testiment RE-CAP:

Matt 3:4 ~(the word 'locusts' used here means Locust beans, aka, carob, aka, St John's bread)
Luke 8:55 ~the word used here is 'phago' (to eat).
Isaiah 7:14,15 ~prophets predict Jesus's diet: "... Butter & Honey shall he eat ..."
Luke 24:41-43 ~Note the words used, Jesus was offered two things 'Fish and a honeycomb' "... and he took it . . ." indicates that he choose one of the two judging from Isaiah 7:15 [the word used here is 'brosimos' (eatable)].

See the Offence for fleash eating:

Greek word for FLESH is: 'kreas'
I Corinthians 8:13

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Can someone be brave enough to address these words ---for it is the next portal to world peace.

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a learned person sees all living entities equally panditah sama-darsinah because he sees the same soul within the different varieties of bodies.

'We want brotherhood, but what does it mean to be brothers? It means we have the same father.' Only when we recognize God as the supreme father can we have real brotherhood.

Knowing God to be the supreme father, we can understand that if we deal with God's other children nicely, God will be pleased. But if we try to exploit and commit violence upon one another, how will the supreme father be pleased? And if God is not pleased, how can we expect peace and prosperity in the world?

"Animals are also children of God, although they have less developed intelligence. They resemble human children, who also do not have developed intelligence, or developed speech. Nor can they defend themselves.

But in a family the strong are meant to protect the weak. For a stronger older brother to torture or massacre a baby is a terrible crime. How upset and angry the father would be!

So animals should be treated like our younger brothers or sisters, to be protected, not exploited or slaughtered so we can eat their flesh.
 
Alright, let us start with this:
Paulie [from the Movie "Wise Guys"] warned Ray Liota [the actor] "You can't be using the stuff ---and selling it too".

The Drug dealer is always advised not to abuse the drugs he pushing.

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You see, it is all about the 'karma'.
Specifically, 'stupid, innane (karmic-) payback'.

A samurai walked a vails thickness away from death . . .
A samurai loathes to think that death could catch him by surprise . . .
A samurai avoids the old threat of "A fly flew into my eye just when I could have parried the assailant's death blow".

A samurai avoids initiating all forms of future bad karma ---especially mundane, vapid karma funk ilks.

Karma is a brewing pot of Dante's possibilities . . . with plenty of time to experiment with young souls.
 
I am the adherent of cow-protection. The cow [and her husband] are the embodiment of mother earth's Homocentric mercy.

We humans think we aint biological bi-peds . . . but we think we are above beasts . . . but we think Man cannot aspire to immortality . . . but we can kill, gut, skin and roast quadra-peds to celebrate any given holiday moment . . . but we do nothing much else any more sublime than be pronounce poetic rhymes.

Took away the milk so the the 'Farmer' can successfully pen the Calves in dark isolated cages along side autofeeders.

Eat the calves' mother [and fathers] and sell the Gourmet Quality Veal meat ---for it's reknowned taste.

As the sage of greed said, "There's one born everyday".
 
If life is great for at least ONE citisen of our world today ---it's due to their individual, indivisable personal "good-karma" ---the rest of the masses are subsistence workers.

Karma reminder: Karma re-actions are temporary and fleeting
---but exceedingly fine.

"Good Karma is a terrible thing to waste"
 
Matt 15

10 Summoning the crowd, He told them, “Listen and understand: 11 It’s not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”
12 Then the disciples came up and told Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees took offense when they heard this statement?”
13 He replied, “Every plant that My heavenly Father didn’t plant will be uprooted. 14 Leave them alone! They are blind guides. And if the blind guide the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
15 Then Peter replied to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”
16 “Are even you still lacking in understanding?” He asked. 17 “Don’t you realize that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But what comes out of the mouth comes from the heart, and this defiles a man. 19 For from the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, sexual immoralities, thefts, false testimonies, blasphemies. 20 These are the things that defile a man, but eating with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”​

But what comes out of the mouth comes from the heart, and this defiles a man.

From the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries,
sexual immoralities, thefts, false testimonies, blasphemies. ...

I don't read this as a explaination of the rules of kosher-ism NOR about vegetarian-ism!

I do not see this NT verse as addressing vegetarianism--- it speaks of atrocities that issue forth via Commands of Leaders to the 'peons' [latin word for commoner/worker].

I truly see that my topic of Meat Eating and Butchery is not neccessarily addressed in these NT verses ---maybe! It's a metaphor/parable about the exclusive Caste rules of the Pharisees versus un-orthodox Judism.
 
Buddha’s Noble truth proclaimed to all sentient beings ---that all undertakings, and life itself is a suffering process ---which gives rise to the other supplementary Noble Truth, “Ahimsa” ---which guides all Humans to preform ‘actions’ that “Avoid bad Karma” ---lest one’s future leads to ‘re-birth’ [especially lower stratum of births in all sorts of sentient bodies] ---which again gives rise to repeating all the BASIC LESSONS of DHARMA.

If Hitler was a vegetarian ---that would be a very savvy [yet uncanny to me] way of avoiding minor token karma whilst ‘getting away with Murder’.

Great rogues would know to avoid the small stuff ---which indeed, requires attention to details.

Yet the Prisons around the world are occupied by 101% meat and leg and ears and guts and wings and feet eaters. IMO the choice muscles are too expensive, and sell to highest paid markets.

Finally, Buddha’s death due to [accidently] eating meat served to him un-knowingly ---testifies to how Karma is transferred via Bodily fluids ---and thus, the lesson is clear.

BTW, IMHO, I speculate that “goodness” can be a receptical for “Badness” [but not vise-versa] ---and, Badness is attracted to goodness in the way the old saying says:
“Nature they say hates a vaccum” ---thus IMO, sinfullness can be absorbed by Goodness . . . but then, many times the Sin obliterates the Good.

It is “Maintanace” that counts.

It is easier for a Good person to ‘go bad’ than it is for a bad person to ‘go good’.
 
Karma is transferred via Bodily fluids.
Karma is transferred via Bodily fluids.
Karma is transferred via Bodily fluids.
Karma is transferred via Bodily fluids.
 
without the Label of "Vegetarian" one earns the right to be a real life defacto "Meat Eater".

Ironically, the world "Meat" [me eat] is NOT an Onomatopoeia . . . yet Crunch & Punch & Slurp & (sort of) are Onomatopoeic.

Is the word "Stuff" a Onomatopoeia?

At least it is (still) illegal to "Murder" ---while OTOH,
"Killing, to eat a quadraped, or what have you, will suffice",
Especially when the marklet place will support and rear the 99%.
 
I am of the opinion that there is a strange BACK LASH when CONFRONTED about the SUBJECT called "MEAT EATING".

I an't talking about the benifits of a Diet that "You have NO concern Nor thought out Opinion".

Either you work for the meat industry ---thus your meager livelyhood is dependent on hawking 'The MEEK' as foodstuffs.

Militant vegans? How else do you expect Social issues come to the forefront unless "Trust account Babies" have the free time to Protest aginst the Common labor classes?

Anyone that complains about "Militant vegans" DOES NOT Have a life ---but they do find the time to protect their interests.

MEAT EATING CAUSES WARS! is an issue of sublime reasoning.

One doesn't seek sublime thought from the Masses!
One hawks their ware to the masses!

MEAT EATING CAUSES WARS! is an ancient issue!

If you dismiss it ---you're involved with greater struggles already with no time to consider the nature of the Sublime.

If you want "Your Opinion to Win" ---good news "You have won".

I am the Underdog in this Thread.

I am the loser in this thread.
 
BTW, any Woman who cares to keep her feminine beauty MUST avoid cadaver byproducts.

Any Parent [or school Teacher] who cares to keep their teens form being sex-maniacs MUST avoid cadaver byproducts.

Any Warden who cares to keep their inmates calm MUST avoid cadaver byproducts.

Any Governer who cares to avoid Mass-Bad Karma MUST avoid cadaver byproducts.
 
This Topic is something most folks HAVE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT [except as a fad].

Ironically, your doctors and business places are sustained daily by avoiding Bad Karma.

I am directly & explicitly highlighting that So-called SANE people of the world would disagree with me!
And thus, here I AM TALKING ABOUT how the world is insane and UN-AWARE of this factor that brings War upon the people.

It is NOT my OPINION nor MY Speculation.

It is a sublime truth of life that I am referring to.

I learnt it from the Sages.

Does anyone here able to recognise a sage?

MEAT EATING CAUSES WARS ---is a fact of life that is taught by the sages.

War is Not a past time of Sages.
 
But I am NOT a PETA like activist.

I have stated above the REAL REASONS for Shunning Meat Eating.

The issue at hand is NOT about anything social conventions and habits nor even the environment nor ethics nor even health.

It's about WORLD CLASS BAD KARMA FOR ALL.

The topic is about the metaphysics behind the curtain of MASS BAD KARMA.

Maybe I should have titled the Thread:

MASS BAD KARMA ---and everything about but was too clueless to ask.

I thought everyone was clueless about this fact of socio-metaphysics.

But there seems to be a sub-conscious acknowledgement of an endemic problem that apparently is difficult to admit to.

This is not a Pet project of mine. It is an alarm bell of a topic.

Maybe it just that I am preaching to the blase world.

It is about the indifference.

It is Not about my prancing about with a bone to pick ---I am Yelling FIRE!!!
 
Should I have said?:

MEAT EATING CAUSES SOCIETAL BAD-KARMA [up until the point of worst senario status]

Should I have said?:

MEAT EATING IS THE PRE-REQUISITE FOR SOCIETAL BAD-KARMA.
 
Attention Roman Catholic Priests and Nuns and Bishops and Cardinals and Monsignors and lay folk ---Stop eating Meat ---Meat eaters CANNOT keep Constant!

Celebates CANNOT stay Celebate if they eat meat(s).

"I told you Not to feed the boy meat; but Porridge"
---from the novel, 'Oliver Twist'.
 
Meat-eating is "Tamasic" [tama guna related] ---thus, anti-Brahmacarya.

Brahmacarya = Celibate Student.

All things related to the Protocols of Brahmacarya-ism will support vegetarian-ism.

BTW, abstaining from Garlic, onions, vinegar help too.

Let me repeat the "Standard of Measurement":
MEAT EATERS CANNOT KEEP CELIBATE.

OTOH, A vegetarian is seduced by ALL the Other Allurements into the bargain,
 
"Karma is Transmitted by Bodily Fluids".
This is not simply an effort at wit ---it is a Truth and it also is the Plain Logic of how 'Karma' is transmitted via consumption.

Do You Agree: "Karma is Transmitted by Bodily Fluids"?

Being an 'accessory to a crime' is usually pointed out by the prosecuting team ---it is usually ignored by the perpetrators themselves.

Gita 2.62-63:
"While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops attachment for them, and from such attachment lust develops, and from lust anger arises.

From anger, complete delusion arises, and from delusion bewilderment of memory. When memory is bewildered, intelligence is lost, and when intelligence is lost one falls down again into the material pool."

In addition to 'Instant' karmic reactions to meat eating ---there are long term waits before karmic strikes. It's the desires that get inflamed/induced and raises hopes/desires higher. It's the strenuousness fear and sudden shock that the butchered animal endured that is earned in return for consuming their bodily fluids and skin and paws etc.

Karma will get its conconminant Pound of Flesh Back ---we aren't above and more precious a creation than a fowl ---a creature that WE cannot replicate in a lab. We are in a dog-eat-dog world.

Where do you think the evidence [for my stance] is to be found?

Will you tell me after the debt is balanced?

It's NOT the vegetarians with bad luck that Rule You and me and tell us how much the Toll is raising nor how school and rent costs will rise again and agin and again until you dead and gone.

It's NOT the vegetarians that are crooked and dictatorial and selling Viagra during the evening Simpson Cartoon.

Gita 7.3:
Out of many thousands among men, one may endeavor for perfection, and of those who have achieved perfection, hardly one knows Me in truth.
 
Karma is impersonal and cold and "grinds exceedingly fine".

Karma is meant for humans to learn by the Stick

simultaneously-Ironically,

Karma applies its rules impersonally.

And doublely-Ironically, everyone keeps coming back for more.

I am NOT remotely promoting an idea that Meat eating & War have a "Direct Cause & Effect" ---why would you bother considering that?

Does Car manufacturing result in Drunk Driving? They are distinct entities.

I am absolutely referring to the paradyms of society network of Karma that HAS ALREADY yield Super-Mega-Mass-Wars ... but it starts in the details ... the lust and the un-mitigating meglomania that comes from meat eating is the common denoumenator amongst the statistical number of perpetrators.

What a shame & sham to mention Hitler as a vegetarian [which I have learn is not true] ---because has no relevance . . .

evidently (or due to self-denial inre this subject) that the Royal Dynasty of Adam and Eve sufferred an fraticide assasination by the First princes of the Old Testiment ---over a Flesh Ritual Sacrifice:

Cain killed, nay, "Murdered" is brother ... cain did this a] against the Golden Rule & b] as per the injunctions of the Gita words inre "Lust & un-satiated Desires beget rage"
 
Okay, let's try out the vista from the contrary POV:

Fiddling Uncle Ernie the CEO of Erections International says,

"Eat a different type of Meats every day of your life"
"Feed a different type of Meats to young girls along with alcohol"
"Sing songs with vague and/or explicit sexual references"
"Advertise & reinforce vice with sexual allurements"
"never call societal commoners Trash, but rather engage them in the underworld"
"There is always greener pastures after a prison stay"
"just have an abortion"
"Watch and absorb the principles enjoined in the Sensational Boop-tube sages of "Three and a half Men" and seek your piece of the pie"
"You only live once so... &^%$# whenever & where ever &^%$ ...you can"

but ironically, the advice of Fagen the master pickpocket is timeless like:

"But what ever you do DO NOT FORSAKE PAYING YOUR TAXES"
 
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