Minnesota Recont - Challenged Ballots

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So Franken picked up some votes yesterday, cutting Coleman's lead to 174 votes (down from 215) based on ballots that were not marked sufficiently for machine tabulation but that were clear votes when looked at by a human. The most interesting aspect of all this are the challenged ballots where one candidate or the other challenges a ballot because the voter intent is insufficiently clear. Check some out here:

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2008/11/19_challenged_ballots/

My favorite: "Lizard People"
 
That was interesting. It also shows how stupid some people can be. Some of them are really obvious though, and should be counted.
 
Dungheap said:
So Franken picked up some votes yesterday, cutting Coleman's lead to 174 votes (down from 215) based on ballots that were not marked sufficiently for machine tabulation but that were clear votes when looked at by a human. The most interesting aspect of all this are the challenged ballots where one candidate or the other challenges a ballot because the voter intent is insufficiently clear. Check some out here:

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2008/11/19_challenged_ballots/

My favorite: "Lizard People"
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"Unlike the punchcards used by Florida eight years ago, Minnesotans cast their votes using optical scan ballots. This is significant because optical scan machines have some vote-proofing qualities that ensure against mistakenly cast undervotes or overvotes.

"Voters themselves insert[ed] their ballots into the machine that reads and records their votes, and if the machine finds that a vote isn't recorded, voters can either mark the race that they forgot to mark or didn't mark clearly," Lott explained. "Or if voters ‘overvoted' and accidentally marked too many candidates, voters can also get a fresh ballot. There should be no role to divine voters' intentions. If a voter wanted a vote recorded for a particular race, the machine tells him whether his vote in all the races was counted." "
 
Darla said:
That was interesting. It also shows how stupid some people can be. Some of them are really obvious though, and should be counted.
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It's really sad that the fate of our democracy depends on these idiots.

Of course, it could be seniors and people with motor disorders who just have problems with things like that. It's hard to imagine any normal person fucking up a ballot that bad.

Lizard people was funny though.
 
Superfreak said:
"Unlike the punchcards used by Florida eight years ago, Minnesotans cast their votes using optical scan ballots. This is significant because optical scan machines have some vote-proofing qualities that ensure against mistakenly cast undervotes or overvotes.

"Voters themselves insert[ed] their ballots into the machine that reads and records their votes, and if the machine finds that a vote isn't recorded, voters can either mark the race that they forgot to mark or didn't mark clearly," Lott explained. "Or if voters ‘overvoted' and accidentally marked too many candidates, voters can also get a fresh ballot. There should be no role to divine voters' intentions. If a voter wanted a vote recorded for a particular race, the machine tells him whether his vote in all the races was counted." "
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Again, we are probably talking about seniors and others.

You are crying because you can't disfranchise Franken voters. Go fuck yourself. In a tight race even voters who made a mistake should be counted.
 
Watermark said:
Again, we are probably talking about seniors and others.

You are crying because you can't disfranchise Franken voters. Go fuck yourself. In a tight race even voters who made a mistake should be counted.
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???? your emo spooge completely missed its mark. The above makes little sense.

For all the 'adjustments' that were done prior to the re-count actually starting to go almost entirely in Frankens favor defies statistical probability. Especially since TWO of the precincts accounted for half of the adjustment and the biggest of those two had NO OTHER adjustments for any other race... that is suspicious.... at best.

As for the "mistakes"... some are apparent.... the one that had "NO" written on it was pretty obvious of the intent of the voter. The one where the smudge captured a fingerprint and Franken tried to dismiss it, should also be counted. Many on there were pretty simply to call. A few of them from Dungs site should be tossed as intent cannot be questioned.

The one where Frankens name is crossed out and he makes the claim that the person tried to underline his name is a joke. That one should go for Coleman.

The lizard people one should be tossed. It is clearly an over-vote.
 
Watermark said:
It's really sad that the fate of our democracy depends on these idiots.

Of course, it could be seniors and people with motor disorders who just have problems with things like that. It's hard to imagine any normal person fucking up a ballot that bad.

Lizard people was funny though.
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That's true.
 
Superfreak said:
The one where Frankens name is crossed out and he makes the claim that the person tried to underline his name is a joke. That one should go for Coleman.

The lizard people one should be tossed. It is clearly an over-vote.
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1. The one where Frankens name has a line through it should be tossed. It just doesn't make any sense.

2. The lizard people one was absurd. Lizard people isn't even a valid write in candidate - it can't logically be an "overvote".
 
Watermark said:
1. The one where Frankens name has a line through it should be tossed. It just doesn't make any sense.

2. The lizard people one was absurd. Lizard people isn't even a valid write in candidate - it can't logically be an "overvote".
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It matters not who you write in as a candidate. You could write in Bugs Bunny if you wanted. If you voted for both, it is an over vote. Period.

as for the first one, it makes just as much sense as the one that had voted for both Coleman and Franken and then wrote NO beside Coleman. If you cross out the candidates name, that is intent. Had he circled Frankens name, then it would have shown intent the other way.
 
Superfreak said:
???? your emo spooge completely missed its mark. The above makes little sense.

For all the 'adjustments' that were done prior to the re-count actually starting to go almost entirely in Frankens favor defies statistical probability. Especially since TWO of the precincts accounted for half of the adjustment and the biggest of those two had NO OTHER adjustments for any other race... that is suspicious.... at best.

As for the "mistakes"... some are apparent.... the one that had "NO" written on it was pretty obvious of the intent of the voter. The one where the smudge captured a fingerprint and Franken tried to dismiss it, should also be counted. Many on there were pretty simply to call. A few of them from Dungs site should be tossed as intent cannot be questioned.

The one where Frankens name is crossed out and he makes the claim that the person tried to underline his name is a joke. That one should go for Coleman.

The lizard people one should be tossed. It is clearly an over-vote.
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SF, why do you ever post on DH's thread, folks who have been observing might think you would walk by them, whistling, hoping not to be seen? It is almost as if you enjoy being skewered? Could this be sexual...have you spoken to clergy?
 
Superfreak said:
as for the first one, it makes just as much sense as the one that had voted for both Coleman and Franken and then wrote NO beside Coleman. If you cross out the candidates name, that is intent. Had he circled Frankens name, then it would have shown intent the other way.
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It could just as easily be interpreted as a smudge by a person with motor difficulties as a "cross out", or, as that person said, an underline.

These are some pretty bizarre ballots.
 
Darla said:
SF, why do you ever post on DH's thread, folks who have been observing might think you would walk by them, whistling, hoping not to be seen? It is almost as if you enjoy being skewered? Could this be sexual...have you spoken to clergy?
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Please dear, do tell... who exactly has 'skewered' me on this thread?
 
Superfreak said:
Please dear, do tell... who exactly has 'skewered' me on this thread?
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Well, DH hasn't gotten back to HIS thread yet, now has he?

But there isn't a man here who wouldn't take bets on past performance being predictive of future outcomes.

Just don't come crying to me again, asking me to please go onto the thread and make jokes to get you off the hook!
 
Watermark said:
OH SF THE LAWYER POPS UP!

Fuck that. He wasn't a valid write in candidate. It's exactly like putting a blank there. PERIODZ?!
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Dumbshit... that is the purpose of a write in candidate... IF you write someone in, whether fictional or real, and you mark your ballot in this case for both the write in and a candidate, then your vote does not count.

I also note that the people who 'voted' on Dungs site all said the one with the arrow to Colemans name should go to Franken. Does that seem odd to you?
 
Darla said:
Well, DH hasn't gotten back to HIS thread yet, now has he?

But there isn't a man here who wouldn't take bets on past performance being predictive of future outcomes.

Just don't come crying to me again, asking me to please go onto the thread and make jokes to get you off the hook!
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Drunk already?

Must be nice working for yourself.

damn, I forgot again... :cof1::cof1::cof1::cof1:
 
Superfreak said:
Dumbshit... that is the purpose of a write in candidate... IF you write someone in, whether fictional or real, and you mark your ballot in this case for both the write in and a candidate, then your vote does not count.
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That's the purpose of a write in candidate?

In most places you have to register to be a write in candidate. If someone puts an absurd name there that was completely unregistered anyway and then marks a real candidate on the ballot, it's clear what their intentions were.
 
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