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An article I found interesting published a few days ago on Consortium News by Tony Kevin, thought others here might be interested in reading it and perhaps offering a constructive comment or 2. Quoting from it:

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July 5, 2023

The forthcoming NATO Summit in Vilnius on July 11-12 seems already infected by a strange policy fatalism, writes Tony Kevin.

By Tony Kevin

Hope of a policy breakthrough in Vilnius, Lithuania towards peace in Ukraine, spearheaded by the war-weary East Europeans, seems to have drained away.

There is general acceptance in NATO that the Ukrainian summer offensives in Zaporizhie and again now in Bakhmut have failed to dent Russian defences, with horrific mortality in Ukrainian manpower and enormous destruction of Western-supplied equipment.

The West seems content to let Zelensky go on wasting Ukraine’s increasingly scarce military-age men in a process described by writer Raúl Ilargi Meijer as NATO’s assisted suicide of the Ukrainian nation.

The NATO unspoken strategy seems to be: we know Russia is inevitably winning in Ukraine, but we will make sure we and our Kiev proxies destroy as much as possible of Ukraine’s manpower and national wealth before Russia takes control of the country.

The Kakhovka dam is gone, and what is left of Zaporizhie Nuclear Power Plant seems increasingly at risk of West-assisted Ukrainian sabotage. These two huge assets were the pivots of Ukraine’s industrial and agricultural potential and wealth.

When Russia wins political control over the ruined land of Ukraine, and after it repudiates Western carpetbagging claims to asset ownership there, it will face a huge rebuilding job, comparable to the situation the Soviet Union faced in Ukraine after the 1944-45 vengeful scorched-earth actions by the retreating Nazi divisions.

Meanwhile, Germany under its supine Scholz leadership is de-industrialising, following the loss of cheap Russian gas after the U.S.-conducted sabotage of the Baltic pipelines. German industrialists are taking their capital, management skills and intellectual property elsewhere. France is riven by serious rioting. The EU is distracted and aimless. Western Europe is shrinking in global influence.

In the U.S., only the military-industrial-information complex is doing well. Infrastructure continues to decay. The middle class is eroding and confused. The Democrats are the party of liberal imperialism and the Republicans are still riven between warmongers and America-first nationalist Trumpians. Who knows who will be the next U.S. president, and if he or she can arrest America’s relative decline.


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There is enough evidence now to satisfy the Global Majority that U.S. regime change and controlling operations in Ukraine since 2013 have been above all cynically aimed at weakening and destabilising Russia. Remembering their own viciously exploited colonial history, the Global Majority are glad these Western efforts are failing.

The Vilnius NATO meeting will produce no new miracles of salvation for the doomed Kiev regime. There will be a lot of tired rhetoric about continuing to defend democratic Ukraine.

Nobody – speakers or listeners – will believe it.

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The war would be over in 48 hours if the Russian Invaders withdrew from internationally recognized Ukrainian sovereign territory.
 
I was surprised yesterday when I learned Erdogan supports Ukraine entry into NATO.
 
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I was surprised yesterday when I learned Erdogan supports Ukrainian entry into NATO.

That isn't going to happen.

This is one of the reasons the Russians are there right now.

Besides, NATO members strongly oppose this as it would lead to nothing but problems.
 
So is the U.S.

As did Trump.

In his attempt to make Ukraine as corrupt as Russia, the most corrupt country in the world.

Ukraine is one of the most corrupt nations on the planet.

They are not only the gateway to Europe for drugs but for human trafficking also, their entire government is on the take.

They are the white version of Mexico.
 
According to Phoenix only Putin gets to determine what countries are sovereign.

Putin is all over the map for his reasons for his war, and Wagner's Yevgeny Prigozhin says he was lying about every single one of them.

Putin is an imperialist mentally living in the 19th century, and believes Russia has a right and a destiny to be Eurasia's great imperial power.
 
Ukraine is one of the most corrupt nations on the planet.

They are not only the gateway to Europe for drugs but for human trafficking also, their entire government is on the take.

They are the white version of Mexico.
You aren't allowed under international law to invade countries if you don't think they have clean governments.

You supported Trump who tried to subvert the US Constitution and overthrow a lawfully elected president. You have no standing to talk about corruption and integrity.
 
Russia has no interest in taking control of the non-Russian parts, but the rump of Ukraine will be neutral, and largely demilitarized.
 
You aren't allowed under international law to invade countries if you don't think they have clean governments.

You supported Trump who tried to subvert the US Constitution and overthrow a lawfully elected president. You have no standing to talk about corruption and integrity.

The Russians spent years trying to solve this problem of US aggression towards it with diplomacy....we refused....we gave the Russians no other options.

This is our fault.
 
The Russians spent years trying to solve this problem of US aggression towards it with diplomacy....we refused....we gave the Russians no other options.

This is our fault.

Trump kisses Putin's ass, so Hawkeye10 kisses Putin's ass, like monkey see; monkey do.
 
You aren't allowed under international law to invade countries if you don't think they have clean governments.

You supported Trump who tried to subvert the US Constitution and overthrow a lawfully elected president. You have no standing to talk about corruption and integrity.

Why waste your time trying to explain that??? Tinkerpeach just doesn't have the intellectual capacity to comprehend anything.
 
An article I found interesting published a few days ago on Consortium News by Tony Kevin, thought others here might be interested in reading it and perhaps offering a constructive comment or 2. Quoting from it:

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July 5, 2023

The forthcoming NATO Summit in Vilnius on July 11-12 seems already infected by a strange policy fatalism, writes Tony Kevin.

By Tony Kevin

Hope of a policy breakthrough in Vilnius, Lithuania towards peace in Ukraine, spearheaded by the war-weary East Europeans, seems to have drained away.

There is general acceptance in NATO that the Ukrainian summer offensives in Zaporizhie and again now in Bakhmut have failed to dent Russian defences, with horrific mortality in Ukrainian manpower and enormous destruction of Western-supplied equipment.

The West seems content to let Zelensky go on wasting Ukraine’s increasingly scarce military-age men in a process described by writer Raúl Ilargi Meijer as NATO’s assisted suicide of the Ukrainian nation.

The NATO unspoken strategy seems to be: we know Russia is inevitably winning in Ukraine, but we will make sure we and our Kiev proxies destroy as much as possible of Ukraine’s manpower and national wealth before Russia takes control of the country.

The Kakhovka dam is gone, and what is left of Zaporizhie Nuclear Power Plant seems increasingly at risk of West-assisted Ukrainian sabotage. These two huge assets were the pivots of Ukraine’s industrial and agricultural potential and wealth.

When Russia wins political control over the ruined land of Ukraine, and after it repudiates Western carpetbagging claims to asset ownership there, it will face a huge rebuilding job, comparable to the situation the Soviet Union faced in Ukraine after the 1944-45 vengeful scorched-earth actions by the retreating Nazi divisions.

Meanwhile, Germany under its supine Scholz leadership is de-industrialising, following the loss of cheap Russian gas after the U.S.-conducted sabotage of the Baltic pipelines. German industrialists are taking their capital, management skills and intellectual property elsewhere. France is riven by serious rioting. The EU is distracted and aimless. Western Europe is shrinking in global influence.

In the U.S., only the military-industrial-information complex is doing well. Infrastructure continues to decay. The middle class is eroding and confused. The Democrats are the party of liberal imperialism and the Republicans are still riven between warmongers and America-first nationalist Trumpians. Who knows who will be the next U.S. president, and if he or she can arrest America’s relative decline.


[snip]

There is enough evidence now to satisfy the Global Majority that U.S. regime change and controlling operations in Ukraine since 2013 have been above all cynically aimed at weakening and destabilising Russia. Remembering their own viciously exploited colonial history, the Global Majority are glad these Western efforts are failing.

The Vilnius NATO meeting will produce no new miracles of salvation for the doomed Kiev regime. There will be a lot of tired rhetoric about continuing to defend democratic Ukraine.

Nobody – speakers or listeners – will believe it.

**

Full article:
NATO’s Scorched Earth in Ukraine | Consortium News

You must be a Putin propaganda agent, feeding dis-information to the intellectual invalids on this forum.
 
Fun Fact: I have just learned on The Duran that Wagner disobeyed orders, they were told to go to Bakhmut to kill Ukrainians, to operate a meat grinder, but to not take possession of the place.
 
Many reports that the Western "experts" are shocked at the sight of top rated Western Armour burning in Ukraine. Scott Ritter says that part of the problem is that the Ukrainians dont know how to use it, in part because they are almost out of trained soldiers, but part of the problem is as well that our stuff was never as good as we imagined it is, in part because we have not gone against a peer military in many decades. Following is the theory that f-16's will not see action in Ukraine because the West cant deal with seeing them ineffective and easily shot down.
 
If Russia wins and takes Ukraine, there will be little or no concerted rebuilding effort. Instead Russia will only be interested in the dirt--land--they acquired.
 
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