Obama and Carter

TuTu Monroe

A Realist
Posted on Sat, Aug. 08, 2009 10:15 PM
A president grossly overplaying his hand
By E. THOMAS McCLANAHAN
The Kansas City Star

Mr. Obama curiously rigid at all the wrong times Kill cap and trade. A president grossly overplaying his hand before it kills growth UAW can play role in automakers’ revival, or demise High-speed rail won't arrive fast if ever. Will we know if Afghan mission succeeds? Downtown's delights and disappointments GOP needs optimistic spark, better focus Too many priorites clutter Obama's 100 days Tea party movement captures real concerns Talk of nuclear disarmament naïve, counterproductive Is ‘normal’ gone forever in topsy-turvy economy? Obama's big-government express already losing steam. Rising debt, deficits erode confidence in U.S. Union card-check bill deserves to fail again U.S. shouldn’t be eager to lose these immigrants. Obama’s blizzard of big-spending proposals snowing under economic hope Stimulus reverses welfare-to-work reform. Be careful what you let D.C. decide Obama's path still unclear, agenda unfocused Revenue quest, not safety, behind red light cameras. A precarious prediction: A midyear recovery Detroit should restructure using bankruptcy Watch out for waste in any stimulus plan Obama is being handed good options on Iraq Obama will need abundant political courage. Bad timing for an anti-trade president Disastrous power grab by unions awaits. A dissent: When you compare policies, McCain is the reasonable choice

What we’re seeing in Washington these days is beginning to look like Jimmy Carter II.
Carter, like Barack Obama, started out with the idea of stimulating the economy.
His plan was to give every taxpayer $50, then throw in a few billion for tax cuts and public works programs. Simple, right? Wrong: In Washington, this soon became very complicated. Within a month, the package grew from $20 billion to more than $31 billion — a significant amount in the 1970s.

Special-interest groups piled on. Unions, minorities, the sugar lobby, bankers, shoe manufacturers — all clamored for a piece of the pie, all wanted to know: “Where’s mine?”

April of his first year in office, Carter finally threw up his hands and scrapped the whole idea. He had dithered for four months. He had nothing to show for the effort. By then he was fatally diminished, his authority substantially eroded.

With the Obama administration, a similar unraveling is well under way and gathering momentum. Voters are increasingly restive. The country is souring on Obama’s gargantuan policy ambitions. The sense is growing that he has grossly overplayed his hand.

Like Carter, Obama looks increasingly like a president out of step with the times. Like Carter, there is a large gap between what voters expected based on the measured and moderate tone of his campaign and what began unfolding after his inauguration. Obama ran as a centrist, but he is governing from the left.

In one recent poll, support for Obama’s $787 billion stimulus package had dropped to 34 percent. Seventy-one percent agreed Obama had increased the size of the federal deficit. His overall approval rating in the Quinnipiac poll has fallen to 50 percent from 57 percent in June.

In another Quinnipiac poll, nearly 75 percent of respondents didn’t believe Obama’s pledge that the federal deficit would fall because of health care reform.

In an NPR poll, a plurality of Americans opposed Obama’s health care efforts. In a recent Rasmussen poll, those who strongly disapproved of the president’s performance outnumbered those who strongly supported him by 11 percentage points.

The cap-and-trade monster — a ruinous, de facto tax for anyone using energy — won’t make it through the Senate in its present form, if at all. The original cash for clunkers program, which was supposed to continue through November, ran out of money in days.

No wonder many voters don’t trust the Democratic Congress to remake the health care system. They fear that in a few years, they will be shoved into the sort of inflexible, infuriating, one-size-fits-all sort of arrangement for which the federal government is famous.

As in the Carter years, both political branches — White House and Congress — are now dominated by Democrats from the left wing of the party. As Michael Barone wrote in “Our Country,” liberals from this tradition are inclined to seek “economic redistribution by always asking more” — without worrying too much about whether they might be approaching the point at which “the public sector would start to squeeze the life out of the private sector.”

More voters are saying, in effect: That point is fast approaching. That, in a nutshell, is what the “national conversation” is currently about. That’s what the tea parties are about. That’s why angry people are crowding town hall meetings, shouting “read the bill!” at their elected representatives.

Many legitimately fear that if not stopped, Obama and the Democratic Congress will take this country well beyond the point where the public sector starts to “squeeze the life” out of the economy.

It’s not too late for Obama to make a major adjustment. Bill Clinton’s initial months were equally turbulent. He was savvy enough to make a mid-course correction — but it came only after the election of a Republican Congress. On his present course, Obama is making that eventuality increasingly likely.
 
OMG! A rightwing opinion columnist saying that Obama is f*cking up?

Will wonders never cease!
Wow. Another person who has nothing to say on the subject chiming in with a sad attempt to attack the messenger.

If this was a valid objection we'd never have any discussion.

Somebody would post something, somebody on the other side would point out that the person posting it was from the right/left and all threads would be two posts long.
 
Posted on Sat, Aug. 08, 2009 10:15 PM
A president grossly overplaying his hand
By E. THOMAS McCLANAHAN
The Kansas City Star

Mr. Obama curiously rigid at all the wrong times Kill cap and trade. A president grossly overplaying his hand before it kills growth UAW can play role in automakers’ revival, or demise High-speed rail won't arrive fast if ever. Will we know if Afghan mission succeeds? Downtown's delights and disappointments GOP needs optimistic spark, better focus Too many priorites clutter Obama's 100 days Tea party movement captures real concerns Talk of nuclear disarmament naïve, counterproductive Is ‘normal’ gone forever in topsy-turvy economy? Obama's big-government express already losing steam. Rising debt, deficits erode confidence in U.S. Union card-check bill deserves to fail again U.S. shouldn’t be eager to lose these immigrants. Obama’s blizzard of big-spending proposals snowing under economic hope Stimulus reverses welfare-to-work reform. Be careful what you let D.C. decide Obama's path still unclear, agenda unfocused Revenue quest, not safety, behind red light cameras. A precarious prediction: A midyear recovery Detroit should restructure using bankruptcy Watch out for waste in any stimulus plan Obama is being handed good options on Iraq Obama will need abundant political courage. Bad timing for an anti-trade president Disastrous power grab by unions awaits. A dissent: When you compare policies, McCain is the reasonable choice

What we’re seeing in Washington these days is beginning to look like Jimmy Carter II.
Carter, like Barack Obama, started out with the idea of stimulating the economy.
His plan was to give every taxpayer $50, then throw in a few billion for tax cuts and public works programs. Simple, right? Wrong: In Washington, this soon became very complicated. Within a month, the package grew from $20 billion to more than $31 billion — a significant amount in the 1970s.

Special-interest groups piled on. Unions, minorities, the sugar lobby, bankers, shoe manufacturers — all clamored for a piece of the pie, all wanted to know: “Where’s mine?”

April of his first year in office, Carter finally threw up his hands and scrapped the whole idea. He had dithered for four months. He had nothing to show for the effort. By then he was fatally diminished, his authority substantially eroded.

With the Obama administration, a similar unraveling is well under way and gathering momentum. Voters are increasingly restive. The country is souring on Obama’s gargantuan policy ambitions. The sense is growing that he has grossly overplayed his hand.

Like Carter, Obama looks increasingly like a president out of step with the times. Like Carter, there is a large gap between what voters expected based on the measured and moderate tone of his campaign and what began unfolding after his inauguration. Obama ran as a centrist, but he is governing from the left.

In one recent poll, support for Obama’s $787 billion stimulus package had dropped to 34 percent. Seventy-one percent agreed Obama had increased the size of the federal deficit. His overall approval rating in the Quinnipiac poll has fallen to 50 percent from 57 percent in June.

In another Quinnipiac poll, nearly 75 percent of respondents didn’t believe Obama’s pledge that the federal deficit would fall because of health care reform.

In an NPR poll, a plurality of Americans opposed Obama’s health care efforts. In a recent Rasmussen poll, those who strongly disapproved of the president’s performance outnumbered those who strongly supported him by 11 percentage points.

The cap-and-trade monster — a ruinous, de facto tax for anyone using energy — won’t make it through the Senate in its present form, if at all. The original cash for clunkers program, which was supposed to continue through November, ran out of money in days.

No wonder many voters don’t trust the Democratic Congress to remake the health care system. They fear that in a few years, they will be shoved into the sort of inflexible, infuriating, one-size-fits-all sort of arrangement for which the federal government is famous.

As in the Carter years, both political branches — White House and Congress — are now dominated by Democrats from the left wing of the party. As Michael Barone wrote in “Our Country,” liberals from this tradition are inclined to seek “economic redistribution by always asking more” — without worrying too much about whether they might be approaching the point at which “the public sector would start to squeeze the life out of the private sector.”

More voters are saying, in effect: That point is fast approaching. That, in a nutshell, is what the “national conversation” is currently about. That’s what the tea parties are about. That’s why angry people are crowding town hall meetings, shouting “read the bill!” at their elected representatives.

Many legitimately fear that if not stopped, Obama and the Democratic Congress will take this country well beyond the point where the public sector starts to “squeeze the life” out of the economy.

It’s not too late for Obama to make a major adjustment. Bill Clinton’s initial months were equally turbulent. He was savvy enough to make a mid-course correction — but it came only after the election of a Republican Congress. On his present course, Obama is making that eventuality increasingly likely.

Let's look at the land size and population of a few countries.

Canada:........Land: 9976140 sq. km..................pop: 31,902,268
US................Land: 9629091 sq.km...................pop: 280,562,489
Australia:.......Land: 7686850 sq.km....................pop: 20,601,000
France:..........Land: 547030 sq.km....................pop: 59,765,983
Sweden:........Land: 449964 sq.km....................pop: 8,876,744
Germany:......Land: 357021 sq.km...................pop: 83,251,851
Norway:........Land: 324220 sq.km...................pop 4,525,116
(http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/world_statistics_by_area.htm) (2002)

Take Germany and Norway as examples. Roughly the same land mass but Germany has 18 times the population of Norway, yet, both countries have a universal medical plan.

Or compare Sweden and France. While France has approximately 20% more land it has 7 times as many people, yet, both countries have a medical plan.

Furthermore, those countries have pension plans and other social plans. If medical and other social plans “squeeze the life” out of the economy how are the citizens of those countries living? Why is their life expectancy rate as high or higher than the US?

When people say it can't be done it's all garbage, TuTu. It has been done, over and over again. Large countries, small countries, large populations, small populations......it doesn't make any difference.

Social programs, not to be confused with "Socialism", can and do work. And the population benefits.
 
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Wow. Another person who has nothing to say on the subject chiming in with a sad attempt to attack the messenger.

If this was a valid objection we'd never have any discussion.

Somebody would post something, somebody on the other side would point out that the person posting it was from the right/left and all threads would be two posts long.
OK, how about this. The author doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. Particularly where Carter is concerned. Since he doesn't know jack shit about Carter or is setting up a strawman (which is the case) then his article lacks any credibility as an analogy of Obama.

First the some historical back drop between Carter and Obama that is factually correct. Both President Carter and President Obama succeeded failed Presidencies. In fact Carter succeeded 4 failed Presidencies. Kennedy (assassination), Johnson (Vietnam), Nixon (Vietnam, Watergate), Ford (Pardoning Nixon). Though Ford nor Kennedy can't be blamed for their terms failure, the fact remains.

Carter, like Obama, inherited a disastrous economic mess. Mainly from the Nixon administration Carter inherited a period of economic stagflation with double digit unemployment and record breaking levels of inflation.

Carter also inherited the ravages of the Vietnam war on our military.

Carter had success for which the far right also fails, convienantly to credit him but that's just politics. Carter campaigned on bringing credibility, integrity and transparency back to the White House. He also campaigned to keep us out of unwanted foreign entaglements. He kept those promises. Carter also implemented the Fed policies that eventually ended the period of stagflation but only after a painful period of adjustment where inflation reached a record 21%. It was this period of economic dislocation which Carter had the courage to implement and paid the political price for that was the root cause of his falling popularity. Not some overstated stimulus package that never came to be.

So if the author is so wrong about all of this about Carter then his credibility on Obama is also suspect and leads me to believe that the author is just another far right wing ideologue spewing venom. So in this case I see no problem in attacking the author as it appear to be warranted by his being so factually wrong, misleading and is essentially just setting up a strawman argument by using a factually wrong and misrepresenting analogy between Carter and Obama.
 
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OK, how about this. The author doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. Particularly where Carter is concerned. Since he doesn't know jack shit about Carter or is setting up a strawman (which is the case) then his article lacks any credibility as an analogy of Obama.

First the some historical back drop between Carter and Obama that is factually correct. Both President Carter and President Obama succeeded failed Presidencies. In fact Carter succeeded 4 failed Presidencies. Kennedy (assassination), Johnson (Vietnam), Nixon (Vietnam, Watergate), Ford (Pardoning Nixon). Though Ford nor Kennedy can't be blamed for their terms failure, the fact remains.

Carter, like Obama, inherited a disastrous economic mess. Mainly from the Nixon administration Carter inherited a period of economic stagflation with double digit unemployment and record breaking levels of inflation.

Carter also inherited the ravages of the Vietnam war on our military.

Carter had success for which the far right also fails, convienantly to credit him but that's just politics. Carter campaigned on bringing credibility, integrity and transparency back to the White House. He also campaigned to keep us out of unwanted foreign entaglements. He kept those promises. Carter also implemented the Fed policies that eventually ended the period of stagflation but only after a painful period of adjustment where inflation reached a record 21%. It was this period of economic dislocation which Carter had the courage to implement and paid the political price for that was the root cause of his falling popularity. Not some overstated stimulus package that never came to be.

So if the author is so wrong about all of this about Carter then his credibility on Obama is also suspect and leads me to believe that the author is just another far right wing ideologue spewing venom. So in this case I see no problem in attacking the author as it appear to be warranted by his being so factually wrong, misleading and is essentially just setting up a strawman argument by using a factually wrong and misrepresenting analogy between Carter and Obama.
This is far more what I expect to see, it explains your position and talks about the article rather than just punching out "right-winger".
 
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