Obama supports indiv gun rights - except where they conflict with DC's total gun ban

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Are we beginning to see some cracks in the shining structure of rhetoric built up by Barack Obama for these many months and years?

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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/KenBlackwell/2008/02/21/obamas_silver_tongue_is_forked

Obama's Silver Tongue is Forked

by Ken Blackwell
Thursday, February 21, 2008

Senator Barack Obama recently gave us a disturbing foretaste of the contradictory doublespeak we could expect under an Obama presidency.

Last week, a deeply disturbed young man went on a criminal rampage at Northern Illinois University, murdering several innocent people before taking his own life.

Mr. Obama spoke out last Friday on the tragic event, and exposed the crucial disconnect between his rhetoric and his politics.

Speaking of his determination to do “whatever it takes” to end gun violence, Mr. Obama nonetheless acknowledged that the Second Amendment secures a right to individual citizens to keep and bear arms.

Noting that some argue the Second Amendment only grants state governments the power to arm National Guard units, Mr. Obama said he rejected that view in favor of the widely held belief that the Second Amendment—like the rest of the Bill of Rights—involves rights held by American citizens.

The Drudge Report last week even carried the story with the title, “Obama Supports Individual Gun Rights.”

But that title was wrong.

Because later in that same story it says that in the same news conference where he spoke of an individual right in the Second Amendment, Mr. Obama also said he supports the DC gun ban. This is the absolute ban on handguns and readily usable firearms in the city of DC that is at issue in the case District of Columbia v. Heller, currently before the U.S. Supreme Court.

I’ve written about that case before, as have others. The DC gun ban is a complete ban on having any sort of readily usable gun in your own home. You cannot have a gun at the ready in your house in DC to protect yourself or your family.

Yet while Mr. Obama says he supports your Second Amendment rights, he also says he supports that gun ban. He went on to say that local governments should be able to enact any gun control laws they consider necessary to end gun violence, and that any such measures are constitutional.

What kind of gun rights does he supposedly support? What kind of “right” do you have, when the government can completely rob you of 100% of the exercise of that right, anytime they decide they have a good reason?

That’s like saying you have the right to worship as you choose, but the government has the power to ban attending church. Or that you have the right to free speech, but that government has the power to stop you from speaking about any subject it wants. Or that you have the right against unreasonable searches and seizures, but that anything the government wants to search at your house is automatically reasonable.

A right that the government can completely take away at any time is no right at all.

So to say that the Second Amendment means you can own guns, but that the city where you live can ban all gun ownership, then you have no Second Amendment rights at all.

Last week I wrote that I have never in my lifetime seen a major presidential candidate whose rhetoric is so far removed from his policy record. Little did I know that he would give me a perfect illustration of that point the very next day.

This is what Americans could expect from a President Obama. He’ll wax eloquent about your rights, but then say government can take away whatever part of them—or all of them—that it wants.

It’s the disturbing pattern that’s starting to emerge of Mr. Obama announcing a principle or a goal, then endorsing policies that are the exact opposite of what would promote that principle or goal. It’s political-doublespeak. It’s Orwellian. In fact, it’s Clintonian.

Look for this pattern across the board. This is how he’ll empower private markets, by increasing government control. He’ll preserve our private-market healthcare system, by having government take it over. He’ll lower taxes, by raising them. He’ll cut government, by increasing government spending. He’ll create jobs, by raising taxes and fees on business. He’ll protect our results in Iraq, by abandoning that country. He’ll defeat the terrorists, by stopping attacking them and sitting down to negotiate. He’ll support our allies in Pakistan, by invading them with military force. He’ll do whatever it takes to stop threats to our nation, by immediately announcing that he’ll never use our ultimate weapons and by stopping our government from listening in on terrorists’ phone calls.

I hope nine months is enough time for the Americans to catch on to his rhetorical sleight of hand. Mr. Obama has shown what he thinks of your Second Amendment rights by endorsing the DC gun ban last week.
 
You can support and individual's right to bear arms while restricting the types of arms individuals have a right to bear without being contradictory. Just like you have the right to free speech but that doesn't mean you get to say whatever the hell you want wherever the hell you want whenever the hell you want without consequence.

This stuff really isn't all that difficult to comprehend.
 
You can support and individual's right to bear arms while restricting the types of arms individuals have a right to bear without being contradictory. Just like you have the right to free speech but that doesn't mean you get to say whatever the hell you want wherever the hell you want whenever the hell you want without consequence.
And as the article said, if you give government the power to restrict some guns, you give them the power to restrict all guns, and merely trust them not to do that. Not a wise idea for an item whose most important purpose, is to be used against government. That's why the 2nd amendment flatly prohibits government from making ANY restrictions on guns. Because the people who wrote and ratified it, knew that govt could not be trusted to keep their hands off such a vitally important right.

This stuff really isn't all that difficult to comprehend.
Unless you fail to read it... as you plainly did.
 
And as the article said, if you give government the power to restrict some guns, you give them the power to restrict all guns, and merely trust them not to do that. Not a wise idea for an item whose most important purpose, is to be used against government. That's why the 2nd amendment flatly prohibits government from making ANY restrictions on guns. Because the people who wrote and ratified it, knew that govt could not be trusted to keep their hands off such a vitally important right.


Unless you fail to read it... as you plainly did.


I read it and it makes the same dumbass point that you seem intent on making: that gun rights are special and cannot be restricted in any way whatsoever.

Sorry, it's just not the case.

I'm afraid there isn't much more to discuss on this topic. You seem to be the absolutist sort.
 
whats funny is the dems and pubs dont even realize yet that obama is going to probably lead closest to the constitution out of all 3 potentials at this point.
 
You can support and individual's right to bear arms while restricting the types of arms individuals have a right to bear without being contradictory. Just like you have the right to free speech but that doesn't mean you get to say whatever the hell you want wherever the hell you want whenever the hell you want without consequence.

This stuff really isn't all that difficult to comprehend.

The DC case is a total ban.
 
And as the article said, if you give government the power to restrict some guns, you give them the power to restrict all guns, and merely trust them not to do that. Not a wise idea for an item whose most important purpose, is to be used against government. That's why the 2nd amendment flatly prohibits government from making ANY restrictions on guns. Because the people who wrote and ratified it, knew that govt could not be trusted to keep their hands off such a vitally important right.


Unless you fail to read it... as you plainly did.

Maybe, but strict scrutiny has proven a decent protection. The problem is DC's total ban clearly does not meet strict scrutiny, not by any stretch.
 
Righties don't care about the constitution or lives, they're just crazy gun nuts, and that's the ONLY thing they care about.

That's true but I don't see how it is much worse than your perspective, i.e., that of a gay porn addict and racist gun grabber.
 
You have to wonder if the author hasn't made a scarily accurate prediction of what we will hear from Barack Obama in the future, if/when he clinches the Dem nomination.

Obama has long insisted that he will pull our troops out of Iraq quickly, with little regard to the results. But he was asked about that recently, and this time replied that he would not commit himself on that now, but would wait to see what the actual situation in Iraq was at the time.

And now this waffle on "I support individual people's right to own and carry a gun". What other formerly firm statements of his, will he change next?

Maybe this is what Obama means when he says he will "bring change"? :D
 
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