OK for kids to have no health care, say some

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Their argument against reform seems to be that the widely-accepted Census Bureau figure of 47 million uninsured (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/567737) is too high, so reform must not be necessary.

Under Bush, the number of people without health insurance coverage rose from 44.8 million (15.3 percent) in 2005 to 47 million (15.8 percent) in 2006.

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/income_wealth/010583.html

Nearly twenty percent of uninsured are children. The likelihood that a child is uninsured fell from 14.0 percent in 1998, to 10.9 percent in 2004. It increased to 11.3 percent (2007).

http://covertheuninsured.org/content/children

One out of every five uninsured Americans is a child.

But that's acceptable to the compassionless conservatives, who accept health industry cash to stifle reforms that would extend coverage and lower costs.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/hlthins/lowinckid.html

Apparently, those without health insurance face do not severe hardship, and we shouldn't try to expand health insurance coverage. If you believe the fear-mongering paid shills of the status quo.
 
apparently Dems seem incapable of providing health care for 20 million children without fucking up the health care of the other 300 million people in the country.....

it's why Dems shouldn't be allowed to run anything.....
 
fear mongers....

and right now, if a child is sick and has no ins.....guess what....they go to the hospital and get treated and uncle sam picks up the dime...

how is insurance a "right"?
 
Fear, or reality?

A GAO report found that between 2003 and 2006, wait times in many hospital emergency rooms, particularly those in urban areas, increased; that hospitals continued to put ambulances on "diversion" because their emergency departments were full, and that the practice of "boarding" patients in the emergency department because beds were not available in the main hospital "has become a typical practice in hospitals nationwide.

The National Opinion Research Center and the benefits consulting firm Watson Wyatt Worldwide, (courtesy of the policy journal Health Affairs) finds that those lucky enough to have insurance provided by our employers are getting less and less for their premiums. According to the study, average out-of-pocket spending for adults with employer coverage rose by 34 percent between 2004 and 2007; from $545 to $729 annually…

A study by Todd Gilmer and Richard Kronick of the University of California, San Diego says “a model that they found some years ago accurately predicted that the number of uninsured tracks the affordability of health insurance. In other words, the gap between the cost of health insurance and how much people earn determines how many people go without coverage. Using that model, they predict that, without policy change, by next year the number of uninsured will rise by at least 6.9 million, to an estimated 52 million people, accounting for just under one in five members of the nonelderly population.”

Uninsured kids don't need health care?
 
DNC said:
Fear, or reality?

A GAO report found that between 2003 and 2006, wait times in many hospital emergency rooms, particularly those in urban areas, increased; that hospitals continued to put ambulances on "diversion" because their emergency departments were full, and that the practice of "boarding" patients in the emergency department because beds were not available in the main hospital "has become a typical practice in hospitals nationwide.

The National Opinion Research Center and the benefits consulting firm Watson Wyatt Worldwide, (courtesy of the policy journal Health Affairs) finds that those lucky enough to have insurance provided by our employers are getting less and less for their premiums. According to the study, average out-of-pocket spending for adults with employer coverage rose by 34 percent between 2004 and 2007; from $545 to $729 annually…

A study by Todd Gilmer and Richard Kronick of the University of California, San Diego says “a model that they found some years ago accurately predicted that the number of uninsured tracks the affordability of health insurance. In other words, the gap between the cost of health insurance and how much people earn determines how many people go without coverage. Using that model, they predict that, without policy change, by next year the number of uninsured will rise by at least 6.9 million, to an estimated 52 million people, accounting for just under one in five members of the nonelderly population.”

Uninsured kids don't need health care?
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Address the issues that need reforming: tort reform; pre-existing conditions; creating 'large groups' of like small business with appropriate tax advantages; etc.

As things stand now, low income children are covered. Working poor children have SCIPS and other programs. Left are those whose parents choose NOT to insure. The government should not be making those choices for parents. Children like everyone will get treatments at hospitals.

Now I guess big government could take over children whose parents choose not to insure, but can afford to. Forced adoptions for those few?
 
Annie said:
Address the issues that need reforming: tort reform; pre-existing conditions; creating 'large groups' of like small business with appropriate tax advantages; etc.

As things stand now, low income children are covered. Working poor children have SCIPS and other programs. Left are those whose parents choose NOT to insure. The government should not be making those choices for parents. Children like everyone will get treatments at hospitals.

Now I guess big government could take over children whose parents choose not to insure, but can afford to. Forced adoptions for those few?
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I notice you did not cover such things as infections gotten in the hospital because of poor pratctices by helath care providers?
How about improving the quality of care we do get?
That would take care of the tort reform angle.
 
So you claim that children with no health care don't exist?


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4nkuwV4jqw"]YouTube - Debunking Healthcare Reform Myths[/ame]
 
DNC said:
Fear, or reality?

A GAO report found that between 2003 and 2006, wait times in many hospital emergency rooms, particularly those in urban areas, increased;
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is the health care plan going to build more emergency rooms?.....reduce the waiting time?....
 
What's an acceptable wait period for a poor single mother with an uninsured, sick baby?
 
Please, go ahead and post the specific language in any of the current proposals that threatens free enterprise, if you can.

Didn't think so.
 
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXz90e2hSwU"]YouTube - Wait Times[/ame]
 
uscitizen said:
I notice you did not cover such things as infections gotten in the hospital because of poor pratctices by helath care providers?
How about improving the quality of care we do get?
That would take care of the tort reform angle.
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How about addressing the norm? For a few anecdotal you wish complete change, then wonder why everyone isn't joining?
 
uscitizen said:
I notice you did not cover such things as infections gotten in the hospital because of poor pratctices by helath care providers?
How about improving the quality of care we do get?
That would take care of the tort reform angle.
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What does this have to do with the frivolous lawsuits against doctors?
 
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