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cawacko

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It's stories like this that make me so proud of my city and make me wish I paid even more in taxes. A wheelchair ramp that costs a $100,000/ft. I think the ADA is a great law for new buildings being built but we must retrofit historical buildings?

What is also beautiful is the lady's response of we need to spend this $1 million to end discrimination. She has this ego and she's only on the S.F. Board of Supervisors. It's no surprise our national politicians think so highly of themselves.


Wheelchair ramp will cost $100,000 a foot

Where else but San Francisco City Hall could a 10-foot-long wheelchair ramp wind up costing $1 million?

Thanks to a maze of bureaucratic indecision and historic restrictions, taxpayers may shell out $100,000 per foot to make the Board of Supervisors president's perch in the historic chambers accessible to the disabled.

What's more, the little remodel job that planners first thought would take three months has stretched into more than four years - and will probably mean the supervisors will have to move out of their hallowed hall for five months while the work is done.

"It's crazy," admits Susan Mizner, director of the mayor's Office on Disability. "But this is just the price of doing business in a historic building."

Supervisor Jake McGoldrick said Tuesday that the issue went to the heart of liberal guilt that often drives the city's decision making. He also choked on the price tag, and asked that the board take some more time to come up with an alternative, like maybe just getting rid of the president's elevated seat.

The root of the problem dates back to when City Hall got a $300 million makeover in the 1990s that made just about every hallway, bathroom and office accessible to the disabled. The exception was the board president's podium, which is reachable only for someone who can climb the five steps from the chamber floor.

The understanding was that the room would eventually be made fully accessible. But no one worried about the podium until 2004 when Supervisor Michela Alioto-Pier, who uses a wheelchair, joined the board.

City architect Tony Irons and representatives of the state Office of Historic Preservation - which had to be consulted to make sure the city was sensitive to the building's designation as a state landmark - were called in to take measurements.

Then preservation architects from the San Francisco firm Page and Turnbill worked up no fewer than 18 design options - at a cost of $98,000 - with ideas ranging from an electric lift to abandoning the president's lordly podium altogether.

No one could decide which design to use, so after a year of arguing, the Department of Public Works was ordered to make 3-D computer models of all the options.

The ramp won, which means lowering the president's desk, which means eliminating three of the "historic" stairs and tearing out Manchurian oak panels that are no longer available, which in turn will mean finding a historically correct replacement.

And because the ramp was going to encroach on the room's sound equipment, officials decided they might as well use the opportunity to upgrade the board chamber's entire audio-visual system, to the tune of $300,000.

Here's what else is going into the million-dollar ramp:

-- $77,000 for the city's Bureau of Architecture project manager, design and construction fees.

-- $455,000 for the actual construction, plus asbestos removal.

-- $28,000 for a construction scheduling consultant.

-- $3,500 for an electrical consultant.

-- $68,000 for the Bureau of Construction Management to oversee the construction and various consultants.

-- $12,000 for Department of Technology and Information Services oversight.

-- $16,500 for permits and fees. (Yes, believe it or not, the city charges itself.)

-- And as much as $65,000 for bid overruns.

All for a total of: $1,123,000.

And counting.

The supervisors considered signing off on the work Tuesday but put it over for another week. Even if the board gives its final blessing, however, construction of the ramp won't be completed before the end of the year - midway through Alioto-Pier's second and final term.

"I deserve equal access to every part of the chamber," Alioto-Pier told her colleagues, adding that ending discrimination is worth the $1 million.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/27/BANQV90AT.DTL
 
LMAO.............

It's stories like this that make me so proud of my city and make me wish I paid even more in taxes. A wheelchair ramp that costs a $100,000/ft. I think the ADA is a great law for new buildings being built but we must retrofit historical buildings?

What is also beautiful is the lady's response of we need to spend this $1 million to end discrimination. She has this ego and she's only on the S.F. Board of Supervisors. It's no surprise our national politicians think so highly of themselves.


Wheelchair ramp will cost $100,000 a foot

Where else but San Francisco City Hall could a 10-foot-long wheelchair ramp wind up costing $1 million?

Thanks to a maze of bureaucratic indecision and historic restrictions, taxpayers may shell out $100,000 per foot to make the Board of Supervisors president's perch in the historic chambers accessible to the disabled.

What's more, the little remodel job that planners first thought would take three months has stretched into more than four years - and will probably mean the supervisors will have to move out of their hallowed hall for five months while the work is done.

"It's crazy," admits Susan Mizner, director of the mayor's Office on Disability. "But this is just the price of doing business in a historic building."

Supervisor Jake McGoldrick said Tuesday that the issue went to the heart of liberal guilt that often drives the city's decision making. He also choked on the price tag, and asked that the board take some more time to come up with an alternative, like maybe just getting rid of the president's elevated seat.

The root of the problem dates back to when City Hall got a $300 million makeover in the 1990s that made just about every hallway, bathroom and office accessible to the disabled. The exception was the board president's podium, which is reachable only for someone who can climb the five steps from the chamber floor.

The understanding was that the room would eventually be made fully accessible. But no one worried about the podium until 2004 when Supervisor Michela Alioto-Pier, who uses a wheelchair, joined the board.

City architect Tony Irons and representatives of the state Office of Historic Preservation - which had to be consulted to make sure the city was sensitive to the building's designation as a state landmark - were called in to take measurements.

Then preservation architects from the San Francisco firm Page and Turnbill worked up no fewer than 18 design options - at a cost of $98,000 - with ideas ranging from an electric lift to abandoning the president's lordly podium altogether.

No one could decide which design to use, so after a year of arguing, the Department of Public Works was ordered to make 3-D computer models of all the options.

The ramp won, which means lowering the president's desk, which means eliminating three of the "historic" stairs and tearing out Manchurian oak panels that are no longer available, which in turn will mean finding a historically correct replacement.

And because the ramp was going to encroach on the room's sound equipment, officials decided they might as well use the opportunity to upgrade the board chamber's entire audio-visual system, to the tune of $300,000.

Here's what else is going into the million-dollar ramp:

-- $77,000 for the city's Bureau of Architecture project manager, design and construction fees.

-- $455,000 for the actual construction, plus asbestos removal.

-- $28,000 for a construction scheduling consultant.

-- $3,500 for an electrical consultant.

-- $68,000 for the Bureau of Construction Management to oversee the construction and various consultants.

-- $12,000 for Department of Technology and Information Services oversight.

-- $16,500 for permits and fees. (Yes, believe it or not, the city charges itself.)

-- And as much as $65,000 for bid overruns.

All for a total of: $1,123,000.

And counting.

The supervisors considered signing off on the work Tuesday but put it over for another week. Even if the board gives its final blessing, however, construction of the ramp won't be completed before the end of the year - midway through Alioto-Pier's second and final term.

"I deserve equal access to every part of the chamber," Alioto-Pier told her colleagues, adding that ending discrimination is worth the $1 million.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/27/BANQV90AT.DTL


Just wait until after the Novemeber 08 election...the socialist will also give a federal grant providing a escalator and personal aides...costing several million per month!:shock:
 
It's stories like this that make me so proud of my city and make me wish I paid even more in taxes. A wheelchair ramp that costs a $100,000/ft. I think the ADA is a great law for new buildings being built but we must retrofit historical buildings?

What is also beautiful is the lady's response of we need to spend this $1 million to end discrimination. She has this ego and she's only on the S.F. Board of Supervisors. It's no surprise our national politicians think so highly of themselves.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/27/BANQV90AT.DTL


Doesn't matter Cawacko.

Who in their right mind is going to give this up?:



:cool:
 
It's stories like this that make me so proud of my city and make me wish I paid even more in taxes. A wheelchair ramp that costs a $100,000/ft. I think the ADA is a great law for new buildings being built but we must retrofit historical buildings?

What is also beautiful is the lady's response of we need to spend this $1 million to end discrimination. She has this ego and she's only on the S.F. Board of Supervisors. It's no surprise our national politicians think so highly of themselves.


Wheelchair ramp will cost $100,000 a foot

Where else but San Francisco City Hall could a 10-foot-long wheelchair ramp wind up costing $1 million?

Thanks to a maze of bureaucratic indecision and historic restrictions, taxpayers may shell out $100,000 per foot to make the Board of Supervisors president's perch in the historic chambers accessible to the disabled.

What's more, the little remodel job that planners first thought would take three months has stretched into more than four years - and will probably mean the supervisors will have to move out of their hallowed hall for five months while the work is done.

"It's crazy," admits Susan Mizner, director of the mayor's Office on Disability. "But this is just the price of doing business in a historic building."

Supervisor Jake McGoldrick said Tuesday that the issue went to the heart of liberal guilt that often drives the city's decision making. He also choked on the price tag, and asked that the board take some more time to come up with an alternative, like maybe just getting rid of the president's elevated seat.

The root of the problem dates back to when City Hall got a $300 million makeover in the 1990s that made just about every hallway, bathroom and office accessible to the disabled. The exception was the board president's podium, which is reachable only for someone who can climb the five steps from the chamber floor.

The understanding was that the room would eventually be made fully accessible. But no one worried about the podium until 2004 when Supervisor Michela Alioto-Pier, who uses a wheelchair, joined the board.

City architect Tony Irons and representatives of the state Office of Historic Preservation - which had to be consulted to make sure the city was sensitive to the building's designation as a state landmark - were called in to take measurements.

Then preservation architects from the San Francisco firm Page and Turnbill worked up no fewer than 18 design options - at a cost of $98,000 - with ideas ranging from an electric lift to abandoning the president's lordly podium altogether.

No one could decide which design to use, so after a year of arguing, the Department of Public Works was ordered to make 3-D computer models of all the options.

The ramp won, which means lowering the president's desk, which means eliminating three of the "historic" stairs and tearing out Manchurian oak panels that are no longer available, which in turn will mean finding a historically correct replacement.

And because the ramp was going to encroach on the room's sound equipment, officials decided they might as well use the opportunity to upgrade the board chamber's entire audio-visual system, to the tune of $300,000.

Here's what else is going into the million-dollar ramp:

-- $77,000 for the city's Bureau of Architecture project manager, design and construction fees.

-- $455,000 for the actual construction, plus asbestos removal.

-- $28,000 for a construction scheduling consultant.

-- $3,500 for an electrical consultant.

-- $68,000 for the Bureau of Construction Management to oversee the construction and various consultants.

-- $12,000 for Department of Technology and Information Services oversight.

-- $16,500 for permits and fees. (Yes, believe it or not, the city charges itself.)

-- And as much as $65,000 for bid overruns.

All for a total of: $1,123,000.

And counting.

The supervisors considered signing off on the work Tuesday but put it over for another week. Even if the board gives its final blessing, however, construction of the ramp won't be completed before the end of the year - midway through Alioto-Pier's second and final term.

"I deserve equal access to every part of the chamber," Alioto-Pier told her colleagues, adding that ending discrimination is worth the $1 million.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/27/BANQV90AT.DTL

We spend that much in Mississippi on not doing thigns.
 
Technically your photo is coming from the Marin County side looking into S.F. But yes I guess that is the tradeoff.

Marin is the sh*t Cawacko.

I used to live in North Beach in the City. You've gotta give it up for that, too. :)
 
Because of the dot com bust. Not because of open mindendeness that libertarians hate with a passion.

Nah, the tech market seemed fine to me.

It's because of the costs.

Dude, I lived there. They are not as open minded as your dumbass has been led to believe. I met plenty of people hobbled by superstitious nonsense. Then there were the unbelievable snobs.
 
Nah, the tech market seemed fine to me.

It's because of the costs.

Dude, I lived there. They are not as open minded as your dumbass has been led to believe. I met plenty of people hobbled by superstitious nonsense. Then there were the unbelievable snobs.

Leave me out of this!
 
Nah, the tech market seemed fine to me.

It's because of the costs.

Dude, I lived there. They are not as open minded as your dumbass has been led to believe. I met plenty of people hobbled by superstitious nonsense. Then there were the unbelievable snobs.

San Francisco sells itself well doesn't it to have a kid in Mississippi talking about its 'open-mindedness'? Like a lot of places what you hear about and what you get are not always the same thing.
 
San Francisco sells itself well doesn't it to have a kid in Mississippi talking about its 'open-mindedness'? Like a lot of places what you hear about and what you get are not always the same thing.


Hey man, you're in SoCal now, right? Ever moving back to the bay area?

You've got a point there. You could drop Bakersfield or Fresno in the middle of Texas, and they'd fit right in. :)
 
Hey man, you're in SoCal now, right? Ever moving back to the bay area?

You've got a point there. You could drop Bakersfield or Fresno in the middle of Texas, and they'd fit right in. :)

Hell yeah I'm moving back and I'm hoping as soon as possible, probably sometime later this year.

Marin County is obviousy very beautiful but I lived in the East Bay when I was young and have worked on the Peninsula so Marin is the area I like least. (Of course I'm often in the minority with that opinion.)
 
Watermark suffers from "HELP I LIVE IN THE INTOLERANT SOUTH ZOMG" Syndrome that I was afflicted with when I was his age.
 
Love to visit San Fransisco but I would HATE to live there. They are the king of government laws to protect you from yourself.
 

However old you are.

Anyway, my point is that as someone who once thought very much that way, once you get to travelling to the places you fantastized about you find that they're okay, but not what you thought.

Everywhere has its problems.
 
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