Pelosi backs off recess healthcare deadline

[red states rule]

Since the entire House and 1/3 of the Senate is up for re-election in 2010, it's quite possible that they are starting hear from constituents who are opposed to Obamacare, and are deciding that their re-election is in jeopardy.

Self-preservation is a great motive.

Jee, right after Obama whines on TV and demands his plan is approved





Pelosi backs off recess healthcare deadline
By Mike Soraghan
Posted: 07/23/09 12:37 PM [ET]

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday that the House can go home for its August recess without passing a massive overhaul.

Pelosi dismissed concerns expressed by many Democrats that a monthlong delay could give opponents more chances to rally opposition to the bill.

"I'm not afraid of August," Pelosi said. "It's a month."

That is different from what she said Wednesday and contradicts one of her fellow Democratic House leaders. On Wednesday, Pelosi had indicated that she supported staying into August, saying, "70 percent of the American people would want that."

As the bill has bogged down in the Energy and Commerce Committee, the July 31 deadline for passing the bill has seemed increasingly more difficult to meet. Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) have promised lawmakers two days to read the final bill, so it must get out of the committee by Wednesday.

The committee again delayed its markup Thursday. The committee hasn't met since Monday.

Hoyer has said he didn't see the need to keep lawmakers in session if Democrats haven't reached consensus.

But shortly before Pelosi's news conference, House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.), the No. 3 Democrat in the House, said the House should "postpone, if not cancel, our August recess" until the healthcare bill is passed.

"If we leave here without doing this, nobody is going to interpret that we're going home to listen," Clyburn said. "They'll say we're going on vacation without having done it."

Blue Dogs on the Energy and Commerce Committee have threatened to block the bill, saying it doesn’t do enough to cut healthcare costs and puts too heavy a burden on employers. And even if the Blue Dogs' concerns are assuaged, there are still looming problems with the tax on the wealthy to pay for it and objections by rural members who feel Medicare shortchanges their physicians and hospitals.

Pelosi reiterated Thursday her belief that she has enough votes to pass the bill. Democratic opponents of the current bill said it is nowhere close to having the votes to pass on the House floor. But she stood by her vote count Thursday.

"I'm more confident than ever," Pelosi said. "I stand by my statement."

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news...nce-on-recess-health-deadline-2009-07-23.html

 

[Damocles]

If the whips were telling her it would pass she would have held the vote. It's preposterous posturing to say, "I have the votes to pass it, but I just like waiting because waiting is."

Who is she? Michael Smith, the Man from Mars? Echoes of "Stranger in a Strange Land"... I expect her to bust out an "I Grok" at any moment.

 

[RubberMallet]

i saw an e-mail form MoveOn that said the delay was the fault of the reps. Democrat majority, but its reps fault..

lying bitch pelosi.

 

[Bonestorm]

If the whips were telling her it would pass she would have held the vote. It's preposterous posturing to say, "I have the votes to pass it, but I just like waiting because waiting is."

Who is she? Michael Smith, the Man from Mars? Echoes of "Stranger in a Strange Land"... I expect her to bust out an "I Grok" at any moment.

The problem is the Blue Dogs on the Energy and Commerce committee. They're holding it up from getting to the floor. Pelosi could do one of two things (1) bypass them and get it to the floor for a vote or (2) allow the procedure to run its course.

Given that the Senate is not going to do anything with the bill if Pelosi bypasses the committee (which would cause a shitstorm of epic proportions) she's letting the Blue Dogs do there thing to hold it up. It's got little to do with the whip count.

They're waiting because they've decided its the strategic move to make.

 

[red states rule]

i saw an e-mail form MoveOn that said the delay was the fault of the reps. Democrat majority, but its reps fault..

lying bitch pelosi.

Remember when the very first bailout bill failed to pass. Dems and the liberal media blamed Republicans even thiugh Dems had a majority in both the House and Senate?

Whenever Dems blow it, they never accept responsibility - it is never their fault

They wil always try to pass the busk or look for some other excuse

 

[red states rule]

The problem is the Blue Dogs on the Energy and Commerce committee. They're holding it up from getting to the floor. Pelosi could do one of two things (1) bypass them and get it to the floor for a vote or (2) allow the procedure to run its course.

Given that the Senate is not going to do anything with the bill if Pelosi bypasses the committee (which would cause a shitstorm of epic proportions) she's letting the Blue Dogs do there thing to hold it up. It's got little to do with the whip count.

They're waiting because they've decided its the strategic move to make.

They are holding it up because the voters in their districts are telling them they do not want a tax increase, they do not the deficit to increase, and they do not like what they have read in the Obamacare bill

 

[Damocles]

The problem is the Blue Dogs on the Energy and Commerce committee. They're holding it up from getting to the floor. Pelosi could do one of two things (1) bypass them and get it to the floor for a vote or (2) allow the procedure to run its course.

Given that the Senate is not going to do anything with the bill if Pelosi bypasses the committee (which would cause a shitstorm of epic proportions) she's letting the Blue Dogs do there thing to hold it up. It's got little to do with the whip count.

They're waiting because they've decided its the strategic move to make.

They're waiting because the opposition is correct they are not even close to getting this thing passed.

 

[red states rule]

They're waiting because the opposition is correct they are not even close to getting this thing passed.

The nerve of people to read the bill, and tell the voters what is in it - before the Dems have a chance to pass it without any debate like they did with the mega pork stimulus bill

 

[Fish]

Since the entire House and 1/3 of the Senate is up for re-election in 2010, it's quite possible that they are starting hear from constituents who are opposed to Obamacare, and are deciding that their re-election is in jeopardy.

Calling or contacting your Representative or Senator is one tiny step above putting a letter to them in a bottle and tossing it to sea. Both have about the same effect, that is absolutely nothing.

This is personal politics and trying to argue that it is anything else is just plain incorrect.

 

[red states rule]

Calling or contacting your Representative or Senator is one tiny step above putting a letter to them in a bottle and tossing it to sea. Both have about the same effect, that is absolutely nothing.

This is personal politics and trying to argue that it is anything else is just plain incorrect.

and the polls have been tanking for Obamacare

Rasmussen, Zogby: Majority now oppose Obama public healthcare plan
Posted by MP on July 17, 2009

Rasmussen:

Just 35% of U.S. voters now support the creation of a government health insurance company to compete with private health insurers.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 50% of voters oppose setting up a government health insurance company as President Obama and congressional Democrats are now proposing in their health care reform plan. Fifteen percent (15%) are undecided.

In mid-June, 41% of American adults thought setting up a government health insurance company to compete with private health insurance companies was a good idea, but the identical number (41%) disagreed.

Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Democrats favor the creation of a government insurance alternative. But Republicans (73%) and voters not affiliated with either party (62%) are opposed.

Zogby:

By 52 percent to 40 percent, voters say they are against the healthcare bill introduced July 14 to the House of Representatives, a new Zogby International poll reports.

…

The poll’s findings: Americans oppose raising tax rates to pay for a new healthcare system. Instead, they favor innovative approaches that would save money, which in turn could be used to fund health benefits for the poor.

Among those currently insured, Zogby reports, 84 percent are satisfied with their current health care. Also, four out of every five people surveyed agreed that rising healthcare costs are hurting American businesses.

Pollster John Zogby says the results indicate that Americans want costs reduced and wish for everyone to be insured. But they are deeply divided on how to accomplish those goals.

“The likelihood of achieving consensus is low,” Zogby says.

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2009/07...rity-now-oppose-obama-public-healthcare-plan/

 

[Fish]

NEWS BULLETIN: American public mislead about Health Care Reform plan and what a public option actually means. Developing...

 

[red states rule]

NEWS BULLETIN: American public mislead about Health Care Reform plan and what a public option actually means. Developing...

So when the polls go against your oparty, the people were "lied" to. Dems plan to psuh Obamacare thru before people knew what was in it failed

Now they have to backtrack

BTW, here is another poll that those "Bluedogs" have seen


FOX News Poll: Uncertainty on Health Care Reform

Americans are divided over whether Congress should pass a health care reform bill this year, but a majority think the legislation will raise their costs and hike their taxes, according to a FOX News poll released Thursday.


Americans think the health care reforms being considered on Capitol Hill would increase their taxes and their health care costs, and nearly half think the quality of their health care would decline. Given these sentiments, it's no wonder views are divided over whether Congress should pass health care reform legislation this year or do nothing.

A new FOX News poll finds that while 49 percent want Congress to pass health care legislation this year, about the same number -- 48 percent -- say they want legislators to do nothing on the issue for now.

At the same time, the poll finds 36 percent think Congress is moving too quickly on health care reform, while 30 percent think it is moving not quickly enough and another 30 percent feel the pace of action is about right.

This uncertainty about health care reform is based at least in part on the plan's cost and who will pay. Just over half of Americans (54 percent) think it is unlikely major health care reforms can be passed without increasing the federal deficit and a slightly higher number (60 percent) think it is implausible to do so without raising taxes.

In fact, majorities of Democrats (52 percent), Republicans (69 percent) and independents (61 percent) doubt the reforms can happen without tax increases.

Click here to see the full poll results.

Furthermore, fully 79 percent think if health care legislation is passed they personally will pay more in taxes, 1 percent think their taxes will decrease and 18 percent expect no change. Large majorities of those living in both higher income and lower income households believe their taxes will go up.

Nearly half of Americans (45 percent) think the quality of their family's health care would be worse under the current proposed reforms. That is significantly higher than the number (29 percent) who say they would get better quality health care under the proposed plans. Another 17 percent expect no difference.

Also on the personal level, some 58 percent think health care reforms would cost them money -- that's twice the number who say the reforms would save them money (24 percent).

Another reason for the public's hesitancy in embracing reform is that people are pretty happy with their current health care arrangements, and other issues are seen as more important.

Most Americans say they have health care insurance (91 percent), and a large 84 percent majority rates the quality of their insurance as excellent or good. Moreover, more than 8 in 10 (83 percent) rate the quality of the health care they currently receive as excellent or good. And if they were sick or seriously ill, most people say they would rather be in the current privately-run health care system (64 percent) than in a government-run system (19 percent).

By a wide 64 percentage point margin, Americans say fixing the economy and creating jobs (76 percent) should be a higher priority for the federal government right now than reforming health care (12 percent).

Opinion Dynamics Corp. conducted the national telephone poll of 900 registered voters for FOX News from July 21 to July 22. The poll has a 3-point error margin.

The president gets mixed marks on health care: 43 percent of Americans approve and 45 percent disapprove of the job Barack Obama is doing on the issue. In addition, while 43 percent of Americans think the president has a clear plan on health care, a slim 51 percent majority thinks Obama doesn't have a clear plan -- including nearly a third of Democrats (31 percent).

The president's overall job approval rating has dropped to a new low of 54 percent, down from 62 percent approval last month (9-10 June 2009). The previous low was 58 percent approval at the end of March. Today 38 percent of Americans say they disapprove of the job the president is doing.

Polling was conducted the night before, as well as the night of the president's prime-time news conference to discuss health care.

Based on their understanding of the situation, by 47 percent to 36 percent the public opposes the reform legislation currently being considered. And by a slim 48 percent to 44 percent margin more Americans say they oppose the creation of a government-run health insurance plan that would compete against private insurance plans.

The number of people who think it is the government's responsibility to make sure all Americans have health care has dropped to 51 percent -- still a majority, but down from 66 percent earlier this year (17-18 February 2009).

There are two things almost all Americans agree on: They want lawmakers to read the bill before voting on it, and to get the same health care they pass for the rest of the country.

If a government-run health insurance plan is established, 81 percent of Americans think members of Congress and the president should be required to be part of that public plan. Some 15 percent think it would be okay for them to have a separate plan. Democrats (20 percent) are twice as likely as Republicans (9 percent) to say Congress and the president should not have to use the government-run health insurance plan.

And an overwhelming 92 percent majority says members of Congress should be required to read and understand legislation before voting, "even if the bill is thousands of pages long."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/23/fox-news-poll-uncertainty-health-care-reform/

 

[Fish]

Hey everyone, check out this information I got from Fox News.

 

[red states rule]

Hey everyone, check out this information I got from Fox News.

It matchs the other polls as well. Keep ignoring the actual content of the Obamacare bill

How it wil ration care

How it will give coverage to illegals

How it will make buying private ins on your own illegal

How they will fine those who decide not to buy Obamacare

How tax rate will soar

Many people are not,a nd that is the problem for the Dems

 

[Fish]

Instead of Obamacare we should...

 

[red states rule]

Instead of Obamacare we should...

Cut taxes, encourage economic growth which will create private sector jobs. With private sector jobs come health ins for the workers

With mroe people working you have more people paying taxes which increases revenue to the government

 

[Fish]

Of course! It's almost as if those tax cuts will create wealth that will begin to trickle down through society. This is truly a brilliant plan.

 

[red states rule]

Of course! It's almost as if those tax cuts will create wealth that will begin to trickle down through society. This is truly a brilliant plan.

It does, and even the top 1% are paying MORE in taxes then they were before the tax cut due to economic growth

Yet libs think raising taxes will actually imporve the economy and raise more revenue

Just like higher taxes saved Ca, MI, and NJ

 

[Cancel5]

It does, and even the top 1% are paying MORE in taxes then they were before the tax cut due to economic growth

Yet libs think raising taxes will actually imporve the economy and raise more revenue

Just like higher taxes saved Ca, MI, and NJ

This thread stinks like fish!

 

[red states rule]

This thread stinks like fish!

Smelling those liberal economc policies again. eh?