hazlnut
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I'm talking to the preppers and nutters scared of their own shadow... NOT the normal reasonable and safe gun owner.
I'm talking to the tiny minority out there that watch Walking Dead and don't get it's actors and special fx. Not a docudrama.
There is no practical purpose for citizens to own military style weapons. That is over.
There is no practical purpose for high capacity magazines. That is over.
You are not going to ever overthrow your government because you are your government. Your government is you. That is America. So, that is no longer a legitimate reason to own a firearm.
America is to blame for what happened in CT; we stupidly thought that most of you gun nutters and preppers either shoot each other in drunken family feuds or beers cans. But we can't even trust you to do that right, because every now and then one of you gets loose and hurts the normal Americans. We are to blame because we became complacent and kept seeing each tragic event as a one-off, a one-in-million freak 'accident'. These weren't freak accidents. These were ALL preventable with common sense legislation. Common sense checks. Common sense (here comes the R word) restrictions on firearms.
Many of the rights in the Bill of Rights have EXCEPTIONS. Reasonable EXCEPTIONS.
First Amendment EXCEPTIONS = Incitement to Crime, Fighting Words, True Threats, Obscenity, Child pornography.
Fourth Amendment EXCEPTIONS = consent, plain view, open field, Exigent Circumstances.
Fifth Amendment EXCEPTIONS = there are volumes of case law outlining reasonable procedural exceptions. e.g. the I.R.S. can compel you to turn over documents/records that may incriminate you.
Sixth Amendment EXCEPTION = public trial is NOT absolute.
Seventh Amendment EXCEPTION = lots of case law, procedural, $20 clause, etc.
Eight Amendment EXCEPTIONS = codifying punishment, not really an exception, just a long history of case law with exceptions for sanity and mental competence.
A reasonable and common sense reading of the Second Amendment. -- your rights can NOT interfere with our safety and security. See above: Incitement to crime, Exigent circumstances, public trial limits, etc.
Hunters and sportsmen. You're life, you're enjoyment of the outdoors will not change one bit. In fact, you will notice the tiny minority of dangerous and unsafe hunters disappear from hunting season. You're safety will improve as we remove guns from reckless and dangerous individuals like Ted Nudgent.
If you own a cash business or have to transport valuables such as diamonds and have a legitimate reason for a carry permit, we support that.
If you live in a remote area, removed from immediate LE response, we support you having firearms to protect yourself.
If you follow the rules, qualify for a permit, take the classes, we will not interfere with your life at all.
Some idiots have suggested we arm teachers, parents will never let this happen. I suggest we fill out the proper paperwork and make sure NICS is updated and accurate, all reasonable gun owners support this as it makes their life easier by eliminating the unsafe individuals from qualifying.
A simple way to solve gun show and internet sale would be to have a national firearm license that is recognized at gun shows and online sales. ATF agents should be empowered to monitor guns shows and check people for their IDs. ATF should also strictly monitor online sales, requiring very strict records for payment and shipping.
Online sellers should be supplying records of all shipments to buyers out of state to the federal government.
Private sales need to be monitored by a third party agency. This would generate taxable income and eliminate the personal liability. A stubhub for firearms.
I'm talking to the tiny minority out there that watch Walking Dead and don't get it's actors and special fx. Not a docudrama.
There is no practical purpose for citizens to own military style weapons. That is over.
There is no practical purpose for high capacity magazines. That is over.
You are not going to ever overthrow your government because you are your government. Your government is you. That is America. So, that is no longer a legitimate reason to own a firearm.
America is to blame for what happened in CT; we stupidly thought that most of you gun nutters and preppers either shoot each other in drunken family feuds or beers cans. But we can't even trust you to do that right, because every now and then one of you gets loose and hurts the normal Americans. We are to blame because we became complacent and kept seeing each tragic event as a one-off, a one-in-million freak 'accident'. These weren't freak accidents. These were ALL preventable with common sense legislation. Common sense checks. Common sense (here comes the R word) restrictions on firearms.
Many of the rights in the Bill of Rights have EXCEPTIONS. Reasonable EXCEPTIONS.
First Amendment EXCEPTIONS = Incitement to Crime, Fighting Words, True Threats, Obscenity, Child pornography.
Fourth Amendment EXCEPTIONS = consent, plain view, open field, Exigent Circumstances.
Fifth Amendment EXCEPTIONS = there are volumes of case law outlining reasonable procedural exceptions. e.g. the I.R.S. can compel you to turn over documents/records that may incriminate you.
Sixth Amendment EXCEPTION = public trial is NOT absolute.
Seventh Amendment EXCEPTION = lots of case law, procedural, $20 clause, etc.
Eight Amendment EXCEPTIONS = codifying punishment, not really an exception, just a long history of case law with exceptions for sanity and mental competence.
A reasonable and common sense reading of the Second Amendment. -- your rights can NOT interfere with our safety and security. See above: Incitement to crime, Exigent circumstances, public trial limits, etc.
Hunters and sportsmen. You're life, you're enjoyment of the outdoors will not change one bit. In fact, you will notice the tiny minority of dangerous and unsafe hunters disappear from hunting season. You're safety will improve as we remove guns from reckless and dangerous individuals like Ted Nudgent.
If you own a cash business or have to transport valuables such as diamonds and have a legitimate reason for a carry permit, we support that.
If you live in a remote area, removed from immediate LE response, we support you having firearms to protect yourself.
If you follow the rules, qualify for a permit, take the classes, we will not interfere with your life at all.
Some idiots have suggested we arm teachers, parents will never let this happen. I suggest we fill out the proper paperwork and make sure NICS is updated and accurate, all reasonable gun owners support this as it makes their life easier by eliminating the unsafe individuals from qualifying.
A simple way to solve gun show and internet sale would be to have a national firearm license that is recognized at gun shows and online sales. ATF agents should be empowered to monitor guns shows and check people for their IDs. ATF should also strictly monitor online sales, requiring very strict records for payment and shipping.
Online sellers should be supplying records of all shipments to buyers out of state to the federal government.
Private sales need to be monitored by a third party agency. This would generate taxable income and eliminate the personal liability. A stubhub for firearms.
