Rev. Wright and Obama

cawacko

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This is written by a conservative columnist and I think she hits the nail on the head regarding this issue.


Culling Obama's flock


Conservatives ought to be careful before they insist that Barack Obama further renounce his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. This vicious guilt-by-association political game cuts both ways.

The left has used this game to marginalize conservatives. In 1993, the Rev. Eugene Lumpkin was fired from the San Francisco Human Rights Commission because he said he believed the Bible told him that "the homosexual lifestyle is an abomination against God." This year, critics called on GOP nominee John McCain to denounce supporter Pastor John Hagee, who called the Catholic Church "the great whore."

McCain said he did not agree with all of Hagee's views and later specifically repudiated Hagee's anti-Catholic rhetoric. As McCain told Fox News' Sean Hannity last week, "I think that when people support you, it doesn't mean that you support everything they say."

Obama's condemnation last week of Wright's over-the-top and downright racist statements should settle the matter as well - especially as Wright is retiring from Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ and no longer is one of Obama's many campaign advisers.

Yes, I know what Wright has said. In 2003, Wright accused the American government of funding the drug trade and told his congregation not to sing "God Bless America," but instead, "God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people." Wright called the 9/11 attacks an example of "America's chickens coming home to roost." His church gave anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan a life-time achievement award.

Obama has praised Wright as a former Marine who lovingly "preached the gospel of Jesus." Maybe. But Wright clearly had a strong hate streak going. You don't crow that the 9/11 victims essentially got what was coming, and not - at some level, anyway - hate America.

I have white friends who argue that they would walk out of a church where the minister spouted hatred against racial minorities; hence, they expect that Obama would do the same.

They note that Obama considered Wright a mentor and that the Senator a member of Wright's church for some 20 years - which suggests a close spiritual relationship, even if the Obamas were one family among 8,500 Sunday worshipers.

I appreciate their point, but they ignore a certain reality about being black in America. To wit: In certain venues, a black man is going to hear anti-white comments from African Americans who have not had the extra something it takes to get ahead in this world. After a while, the buzz becomes background noise. That doesn't mean Obama buys into all their grievances - although he probably believes some and understands more.

Of course, most white voters don't want to elect a president who bears them ill will. That's why Jesse Jackson was never viable. He overplayed the race card. He sang a one-note whine of endless victimhood, which gave little recognition to the many opportunities now open to black Americans.

On the other hand, Obama is a viable candidate because he is a black man with a foot in two worlds. With his Harvard law degree and Senate seat, Barack appeals to white America as a black success story. But even if Obama has grown beyond grievances, that doesn't mean Obama has moved beyond recognizing the grievances of underclass African Americans, who have fared less well in a world that can look at them with hostility.

It is simply no more possible to nominate a black candidate who does not recognize racial animus than it is to nominate a female candidate who, her Yale law degree and Senate seat notwithstanding, does not recognize the gender hurdles facing some American women.

"Obama should be held accountable for his beliefs," Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Illinois told reporters during a press call Monday. And: "To go beyond that I just don't think is fair."

Durbin is right. I hope he remembers those words the next time he wants to dump on a GOP supporter who talks outside the party lines. Not that I expect Durbin to resist the Democrats' double standards.

Here's the problem with the renunciation game. If it succeeds, you cut away nonpolitical people from a candidate - until only the carefully scripted professional political class has access to elected officials. You drive average citizens who speak their minds away from the process, so that only the nakedly ambitious need apply.

I've written whole columns against America haters who blamed this country - instead of the terrorists - for the 9/11 attacks. If Wright were running for office, he would get the full treatment for his race-baiting and delusional ramblings and for rhetoric that ill serves Chicago's black community. But as long as Wright is not drafting policy for Obama, he is entitled to his uninformed opinion.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/18/ED47VLAPA.DTL
 
I'm sorry Cawacko, but can you please delete this thread? there have been other threads about this subject, catch up and try and keep up, to quote Damo. Thank you.
 
I'm sorry Cawacko, but can you please delete this thread? there have been other threads about this subject, catch up and try and keep up, to quote Damo. Thank you.

My post was about your insistence that I look at other churches personally. As I had already posted on that particular thing. This is far more general. Your post assumed my opinion without regard to what I wrote previous and that is what I did not want to repeat.

I see you've started taking disingenuous lessons from Cypress. Deliberately missing my point to post about strawmen is his regular type of post, not yours.
 
My post was about your insistence that I look at other churches personally. As I had already posted on that particular thing. This is far more general. Your post assumed my opinion without regard to what I wrote previous and that is what I did not want to repeat.

I see you've started taking disingenuous lessons from Cypress. Deliberately missing my point to post about strawmen is his regular type of post, not yours.

You know, I've spurned lovers who didn't act like you are.

I never said any such thing to you! Personally investigate. LOL. I was speaking of the media, you dumbass. What is with you lately?
 
This is written by a conservative columnist and I think she hits the nail on the head regarding this issue.


Culling Obama's flock


Conservatives ought to be careful before they insist that Barack Obama further renounce his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. This vicious guilt-by-association political game cuts both ways.

The left has used this game to marginalize conservatives. In 1993, the Rev. Eugene Lumpkin was fired from the San Francisco Human Rights Commission because he said he believed the Bible told him that "the homosexual lifestyle is an abomination against God." This year, critics called on GOP nominee John McCain to denounce supporter Pastor John Hagee, who called the Catholic Church "the great whore."

McCain said he did not agree with all of Hagee's views and later specifically repudiated Hagee's anti-Catholic rhetoric. As McCain told Fox News' Sean Hannity last week, "I think that when people support you, it doesn't mean that you support everything they say."

Obama's condemnation last week of Wright's over-the-top and downright racist statements should settle the matter as well - especially as Wright is retiring from Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ and no longer is one of Obama's many campaign advisers.

Yes, I know what Wright has said. In 2003, Wright accused the American government of funding the drug trade and told his congregation not to sing "God Bless America," but instead, "God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people." Wright called the 9/11 attacks an example of "America's chickens coming home to roost." His church gave anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan a life-time achievement award.

Obama has praised Wright as a former Marine who lovingly "preached the gospel of Jesus." Maybe. But Wright clearly had a strong hate streak going. You don't crow that the 9/11 victims essentially got what was coming, and not - at some level, anyway - hate America.

I have white friends who argue that they would walk out of a church where the minister spouted hatred against racial minorities; hence, they expect that Obama would do the same.

They note that Obama considered Wright a mentor and that the Senator a member of Wright's church for some 20 years - which suggests a close spiritual relationship, even if the Obamas were one family among 8,500 Sunday worshipers.

I appreciate their point, but they ignore a certain reality about being black in America. To wit: In certain venues, a black man is going to hear anti-white comments from African Americans who have not had the extra something it takes to get ahead in this world. After a while, the buzz becomes background noise. That doesn't mean Obama buys into all their grievances - although he probably believes some and understands more.

Of course, most white voters don't want to elect a president who bears them ill will. That's why Jesse Jackson was never viable. He overplayed the race card. He sang a one-note whine of endless victimhood, which gave little recognition to the many opportunities now open to black Americans.

On the other hand, Obama is a viable candidate because he is a black man with a foot in two worlds. With his Harvard law degree and Senate seat, Barack appeals to white America as a black success story. But even if Obama has grown beyond grievances, that doesn't mean Obama has moved beyond recognizing the grievances of underclass African Americans, who have fared less well in a world that can look at them with hostility.

It is simply no more possible to nominate a black candidate who does not recognize racial animus than it is to nominate a female candidate who, her Yale law degree and Senate seat notwithstanding, does not recognize the gender hurdles facing some American women.

"Obama should be held accountable for his beliefs," Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Illinois told reporters during a press call Monday. And: "To go beyond that I just don't think is fair."

Durbin is right. I hope he remembers those words the next time he wants to dump on a GOP supporter who talks outside the party lines. Not that I expect Durbin to resist the Democrats' double standards.

Here's the problem with the renunciation game. If it succeeds, you cut away nonpolitical people from a candidate - until only the carefully scripted professional political class has access to elected officials. You drive average citizens who speak their minds away from the process, so that only the nakedly ambitious need apply.

I've written whole columns against America haters who blamed this country - instead of the terrorists - for the 9/11 attacks. If Wright were running for office, he would get the full treatment for his race-baiting and delusional ramblings and for rhetoric that ill serves Chicago's black community. But as long as Wright is not drafting policy for Obama, he is entitled to his uninformed opinion.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/18/ED47VLAPA.DTL

Good article. I agree it is well stated. Obamas speech should put an end to any rational conversation as to where he stands on Wrights comments.
 
You know, I've spurned lovers who didn't act like you are.

I never said any such thing to you! Personally investigate. LOL. I was speaking of the media, you dumbass. What is with you lately?
You said, "Damo, you should be more careful about what you say.." so forth. (Paraphrasing).

You spoke personally to me without actually understanding I had already criticized McCain as well as other churches that do the same thing. Again, you deliberately miss the point of the post to pretend you are fighting that man of straw over there. Yup, Cypress is teaching you well.
 
You said, "Damo, you should be more careful about what you say.." so forth. (Paraphrasing).

You spoke personally to me without actually understanding I had already criticized McCain as well as other churches that do the same thing. Again, you deliberately miss the point of the post to pretend you are fighting that man of straw over there. Yup, Cypress is teaching you well.

LOl. Ok Damo. I hope you feel better soon.
 
Darla, you should know you can't come between a republican and their talking points.
they have so few now-a-days anyway.
 
Darla, you should know you can't come between a republican and their talking points.
they have so few now-a-days anyway.
I don't get talking points, people get them from me. Just the other day Chuck Norris called up for a few new lines.
 
If you can't figure that out I can't help ya.

I am unfortuantely not well versed in verbal duels, but that does not diminish my correctness.

He's not being bashed at all. I guess you can make yourself think that and then dub yourself as being correct. Kind of funny that an article where a conservative writer is calling out other conservatives and you view it as Obama being bashed.
 
If you can't figure that out I can't help ya.

I am unfortuantely not well versed in verbal duels, but that does not diminish my correctness.

How about you point out even one sentence in the column where you feel Obama is being bashed. Can you do that?
 
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