Ron Paul Concerns

Annie

Annie

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It seems many of the posters here, both those that lean left and those that lean right are just in love with this guy. His backers don't give you pause? Even though I mostly agree with his voting record; since I first read that Alex Jones, then Stormfront were going for him, I've had major concerns. Today it seems that the damn has started to do more than leak. I don't care for the calling of names like 'Paultards' used at the bottom, though the frustration of dealing with some concerning spamming has made many lose their tempers:



But they support him and he knows them.

Ron Paul's Photo-Op with Stormfront

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353_Ron_Pauls_Photo-Op_with_Stormfront#comments

Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 3:53:50 pm PST

An LGF reader emailed this photograph, showing Ron Paul at the Values Voters Presidential Debate in Fort Lauderdale on September 17, 2007. Immediately to Paul’s left: Don Black, the owner of neo-Nazi hate site Stormfront. If anyone knows who the creepy guy in the hat is, please post a comment. Now I can see Ron Paul trying to appeal to evangelicals, but Black?
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Then again, maybe Stormfront saw an opening, which I hope did not appeal to Evangelicals at the Forum. Now if Paul just wishes to say, 'but heh, every posed with the Nazis', sure would be nice to see some evidence of that.:

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Now comes Ron Paul acting like taking their money is to keep them from having it to spend, wow. In September he seemed cozy enough, as shown in the pic. **Edit** The hat guy is Black's son, Derek. He has his own little kiddie column at Stormfront.:

http://reason.com/blog/show/124032.html

Then Cavuto pivots to the Black story:

CAVUTO: There are reports, sir, that your campaign has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist in West Palm Beach. And your campaign had indicated you have no intention to return it. What are you going to do with that?

PAUL: It is probably already spent. Why give it back to him and use it for bad purposes?

And I don't even know his name. I never heard of it. You know, when you get 57,000 donations a day, are we supposed to screen them and find out their beliefs? He sent the money for my beliefs. And if he promoting my viewpoints and my attitudes, why give it back to him if he has bad viewpoints? Kind of hard to say that after the picture, from September?

And I don't endorse anything that he endorses or what anybody endorses. They come to me to endorse freedom and the Constitution and limited government. So, I see no purpose for me to start screening everybody that sends me money. I mean, it is impossible to do it. It is a ridiculous idea that I am supposed to screen these people.

CAVUTO: All right. So, Congressman, when you find out that it's this Don Black who made the donation, and who ran a site called Stormfront, White Pride Worldwide, now that you know it, now that you're familiar after the fact, you still would not return it?

PAUL: Well, if I spent his money and I took the money that maybe you might have sent to me and donate it back to him, that does not make any sense to me. Why should I give him money to promote his cause? That doesn't make any sense to me.
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Here's the Cavuto graf:

Then Cavuto pivots to the Black story:

CAVUTO: There are reports, sir, that your campaign has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist in West Palm Beach. And your campaign had indicated you have no intention to return it. What are you going to do with that?

PAUL: It is probably already spent. Why give it back to him and use it for bad purposes?

And I don't even know his name. I never heard of it. You know, when you get 57,000 donations a day, are we supposed to screen them and find out their beliefs? He sent the money for my beliefs. And if he promoting my viewpoints and my attitudes, why give it back to him if he has bad viewpoints?

And I don't endorse anything that he endorses or what anybody endorses. They come to me to endorse freedom and the Constitution and limited government. So, I see no purpose for me to start screening everybody that sends me money. I mean, it is impossible to do it. It is a ridiculous idea that I am supposed to screen these people.

CAVUTO: All right. So, Congressman, when you find out that it's this Don Black who made the donation, and who ran a site called Stormfront, White Pride Worldwide, now that you know it, now that you're familiar after the fact, you still would not return it?

PAUL: Well, if I spent his money and I took the money that maybe you might have sent to me and donate it back to him, that does not make any sense to me. Why should I give him money to promote his cause? That doesn't make any sense to me.
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Well it's the way it goes, first pictures then more connections:

And the VNN site is either being overwhelmed or has been shut down.

http://lonestartimes.com/2007/12/19/rpb3/


The “Commander” of the American National Socialist Workers Party (i.e., the “Nazis”) has posted the following statement over at VNN, another leading White Supremacist hate-site.

Comrades:

I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn’t see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul’s extensive involvement in white nationalism.

Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.

I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.

For his spokesman to call white racialism a “small ideology” and claim white activists are “wasting their money” trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.

I don’t know that it is necessarily good for Paul to “expose” this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous — and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable.

The Commander’s fellow Nazis are not in the least bit happy with him for posting this; here’s a screenshot (click to expand), in case they pull it down.​

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Attention Paultards– we are now entering the part of the news cycle where your candidate constantly gets asked about whether or not he or his senior staffers frequently attend lunch with a bunch of racist nutjobs. With any luck, someone took pictures.

During this period, the words “Ron Paul” and “Nazi” will appear in close proximity in print, on-air and on-line many thousands of times. People who only know a little bit about Ron Paul will be discussing this in elevators on the way into work tomorrow morning.

And because I love to say I told you so, I will.

I told you so.
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I highly doubt that every candidate in politics personally knows and in some conspiracy with every dumbass they've ever taken a picture with.
 
Is Clinton a racist?

Here's a picture of Bill Clinton with William Fullbright:

James William Fulbright (April 9, 1905 – February 9, 1995) was a member of the United States Senate representing Arkansas. Fulbright was a Southern Democrat and a staunch multilateralist, supported racial segregation, supported the creation of the United Nations and opposed the House Un-American Activities Committee.

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Beefy said:
I highly doubt that every candidate in politics personally knows and in some conspiracy with every dumbass they've ever taken a picture with.
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Certainly true. Then again, how many keep doing interviews with the likes of Alex? His ties with the 'extreme' 'right?' are well known. Reason I question the extreme right label would be fascism isn't 'right.'
 
Kathianne said:
Certainly true. Then again, how many keep doing interviews with the likes of Alex? His ties with the 'extreme' 'right?' are well known. Reason I question the extreme right label would be fascism isn't 'right.'
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I wish more politicians would make themselves more accessible to fringe media instead of to soft peddling journalism lite.

I think the more diverse the interviewers, the more we learn about the candidate.
 
Beefy said:
Is Clinton a racist?

Here's a picture of Bill Clinton with William Fullbright:

James William Fulbright (April 9, 1905 – February 9, 1995) was a member of the United States Senate representing Arkansas. Fulbright was a Southern Democrat and a staunch multilateralist, supported racial segregation, supported the creation of the United Nations and opposed the House Un-American Activities Committee.

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No more than Lott with Strom Thurmond. Basically the same thing, though Lott went too far in his praise, without explaining the changes. That's the same things that originally concerned me about Paul.

BTW, wasn't Lott forced to step down? He did own up to the words he said though, apologized multiple times.

Paul is saying he doesn't know Black. Yet, weird there's that picture. He says he hopes the money will be used for 'good of his campaign' and not by the 'haters that gave it.' Yet, he appears frequently on Alex's radio show. He's appeared at other questionable venues too. Who does he think is attracted to such?
 
Kathianne said:
Certainly true. Then again, how many keep doing interviews with the likes of Alex? His ties with the 'extreme' 'right?' are well known. Reason I question the extreme right label would be fascism isn't 'right.'
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weren't you against ron paul before all this stormfront crap, because of his Iraq war and foreign policy views?
 
I must admit, the racist crap on ron paul is getting pretty played out.

I like to make fun of his poll numbers, and his whacked out libertarian extremism.
 
Kathianne, you're a deluded baby boomer who has bought into the "whites are bad" mindset. Many "stormfront members" are just reacting to a mainstream culture that has become racist against white people. See affirmative action.

Ron Paul's recognition of the inherent oppressive power of fiat currency and the anti-american nature of globalization make him attractive to many.

How do free people compete with slave labor? OR do you simply refuse to recognize that people are enslaved in china?

don't you have concerns will all the mainstream candidates who are on board with all the policies which are enslaving the entire world as we speak?
 
Cypress said:
weren't you against ron paul before all this stormfront crap, because of his Iraq war and foreign policy views?
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Nope, I've been against him since first saw references to Stormfront. That got me googling. I wished now that I'd saved the newsletters that have disappeared. You know, the ones Ron now says his secretary wrote or something. They just went the route of the tape and Rosemary Woods, but heh, who cares, right?

Personally I'm for legalizing most illegal drugs. I'm certainly against higher taxes. I think the government should stay out of people's bedrooms and care of their children, excepting proven abuse.

As for Iraq, I happen to agree with the principles, but also think the execution was terrible.

BTW, AHZ agrees with you all, if that doesn't give you pause, nothing will. ;)
 
AssHatZombie said:
Why is Jewish nationalism so morally superior to white nationalism Kathianne? Can you answer that?
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Oh now it's 'Jewish Nationalism' eh? Not playing that one again, you stayed pissy for over 2 years. :clink: Thought we were dropping the daggers?
 
Kathianne said:
Oh now it's 'Jewish Nationalism' eh? Not playing that one again, you stayed pissy for over 2 years. :clink: Thought we were dropping the daggers?
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Yes. It is Jewish nationalism. And you always run away when confronted with anything rational or reasonable, anything that questions your judeofascist noahide worldview. You're a pathetic totalitarian.

I knew you couldn't answer a simple question. You never can. You just flat out can't have a conversation with someone who doesn't share your brand of brainwash.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Yes. It is Jewish nationalism. And you always run away when confronted with anything rational or reasonable, anything that questions your judeofascist noahide worldview. You're a pathetic totalitarian.

I knew you couldn't answer a simple question. You never can. You just flat out can't have a conversation with someone who doesn't share your brand of brainwash.
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You're right Gedankenexperiment, not with you.
 
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