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The 'most transparent administration in history' buries a Gitmo report.
by Stephen F. Hayes & Thomas Joscelyn


At 12:01 P.M. on January 20, 2009, minutes before Barack Obama was sworn in as president, the first post went up on the Obama White House website. It included a reiteration of a campaign promise Obama repeatedly made: "President Obama has committed to making his administration the most open and transparent in history."

Two days later, Obama ordered the detention facility at Guantánamo Bay closed. And two days after that, on January 24, Newsweek's Michael Isikoff wrote about a Pentagon study that will provide an early test of this promise: "The report, which could be released within the next few days, will provide fresh details about 62 detainees who have been released from Guantánamo and are believed by U.S. intelligence officials to have returned to terrorist activities."

The report was not, in fact, released within the next few days. On February 2, Commander Jeffrey Gordon, the Pentagon spokesman who handles inquiries about Guantánamo, told us that the report would likely be released later that day. We were told to consult the website--defenselink.mil--that afternoon. No report. When we asked where it was, Commander Gordon wrote: "Nothing today, please check back with me in a couple days." We did. No report.

This pattern has repeated itself for a month. So what explains this failure to produce the report?

According to Gordon: there may be a misunderstanding between when the updated threat analysis was delivered from DIA and the completion of an interagency review process prior to public release.

My understanding is that several requests have been received by our OSD FOIA office and it is being processed for a decision concerning release. If you would like to submit a FOIA request as well, below is a link for your convenience.


Right. So a report that was to have been released on February 2 was suddenly and inexplicably withheld.

The most transparent administration in history apparently realized that releasing a report about the recidivism of Guantánamo detainees could only complicate its effort to shut down the facility. The approximately 247 detainees still held there are the worst of the terrorists captured by the United States since 9/11. Those thought to have been low-risk releases have already been let go. And many of them turned out not to have been low-risk at all. Saudi Arabia recently published a list of its 85 most wanted terrorists; 11 of them had been detained at Guantánamo Bay.

Said Ali al-Shihri, who disappeared from his home in Saudi Arabia after spending months in a Saudi jihad rehabilitation program, recently showed up in a video posted on a jihadist website. He is now the deputy leader of al Qaeda's Yemeni branch, which bombed the American embassy in Sana'a in September 2008. That attack killed 13 civilians, as well as six terrorists.

Mohammed Naim Farouq was released from Gitmo in July 2003. In 2006, the Defense Intelligence Agency listed him as one of the 20 most wanted terrorists operating in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Abdullah Saleh al Ajmi, a Kuwaiti, was detained at Gitmo, released, and then blew himself up in Mosul, Iraq, in March 2008. The attack killed 13 Iraqi soldiers and wounded dozens more.

Ibrahim Bin Shakaran and Mohammed Bin Ahmad Mizouz were both transferred from Guantánamo to Morocco in July 2004. In September 2007, they were convicted of being recruiters for Al Qaeda in Iraq.

These are detainees that the U.S. government determined were good candidates for release. The ones who remain in Guantánamo are not. "In some cases, we do know that they'll return to the battlefield because they've told us they will," says Juan Zarate, counterterrorism czar in the Bush White House.

The question for the new president and his advisers is what is an acceptable level of risk. "They may say 'These guys are dangerous but it's better than keeping them,' " says Zarate. But "the government needs to be very clear and honest about who these guys are and take any such step to release them with our eyes wide open."

Being clear and honest means sharing with Congress and the American public as much information as possible. Democratic senator Joseph Lieberman is calling for the report's release: "We know that a number of detainees who have been released have returned to the battlefield to attack Americans and American interests abroad. The American people need to know what is in the report so that Congress can make an informed decision on what to do with the detainees currently held at Guantánamo and with combatants captured in the future in the war on terror."

Even George W. Bush did better. In June 2008, the Pentagon released a partial list of recidivist Guantánamo alumni. Is it the case that the Obama administration, just six weeks in, is not even as transparent as the super-secretive Bush administration?

--Stephen F. Hayes & Thomas Joscelyn
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detainment_camp#Released_prisoners


U.S. officials have claimed that some of the released prisoners returned to the battlefield. According to Dick Cheney, these captives tricked their interrogators about their real identity and made them think they were harmless villagers, and thus they were able to "return to the battlefield".[120] One released detainee, Abdallah Salih al-Ajmi, a Kuwaiti, committed a successful suicide attack in Mosul, on March 25, 2008. Al-Ajmi had been repatriated from Guantanamo in 2005, and transferred to Kuwaiti custody. A Kuwaiti court later acquitted him of terrorism charges.[121][122][123] On January 13, 2009, the Pentagon said that it had evidence that 18 former detainees have had direct involvement in terrorist activities.[124] The Pentagon said that another 43 former detainees have "a plausible link with terrorist activities" according to its intelligence sources.[124]National security expert and CNN analyst Peter Bergen, states that some of those "suspected" to have returned to terrorism are so categorized because they publicly made anti-American statements, "something that's not surprising if you've been locked up in a U.S. prison camp for several years." If all 18 people on the "confirmed" list have "returned" to the battlefield, that would amount to 4 percent of the detainees who have been released.[125]
 
They may be needing to line up prosicutions for the people who manufactured the report for Cheney.
 
Even your "rebuttal" seems to support the conclusion that there are, in fact, recidivists returning to the battlefield.
 
The 'most transparent administration in history' buries a Gitmo report.
by Stephen F. Hayes & Thomas Joscelyn


At 12:01 P.M. on January 20, 2009, minutes before Barack Obama was sworn in as president, the first post went up on the Obama White House website. It included a reiteration of a campaign promise Obama repeatedly made: "President Obama has committed to making his administration the most open and transparent in history."

Two days later, Obama ordered the detention facility at Guantánamo Bay closed. And two days after that, on January 24, Newsweek's Michael Isikoff wrote about a Pentagon study that will provide an early test of this promise: "The report, which could be released within the next few days, will provide fresh details about 62 detainees who have been released from Guantánamo and are believed by U.S. intelligence officials to have returned to terrorist activities."

The report was not, in fact, released within the next few days. On February 2, Commander Jeffrey Gordon, the Pentagon spokesman who handles inquiries about Guantánamo, told us that the report would likely be released later that day. We were told to consult the website--defenselink.mil--that afternoon. No report. When we asked where it was, Commander Gordon wrote: "Nothing today, please check back with me in a couple days." We did. No report.

This pattern has repeated itself for a month. So what explains this failure to produce the report?

According to Gordon: there may be a misunderstanding between when the updated threat analysis was delivered from DIA and the completion of an interagency review process prior to public release.

My understanding is that several requests have been received by our OSD FOIA office and it is being processed for a decision concerning release. If you would like to submit a FOIA request as well, below is a link for your convenience.


Right. So a report that was to have been released on February 2 was suddenly and inexplicably withheld.

The most transparent administration in history apparently realized that releasing a report about the recidivism of Guantánamo detainees could only complicate its effort to shut down the facility. The approximately 247 detainees still held there are the worst of the terrorists captured by the United States since 9/11. Those thought to have been low-risk releases have already been let go. And many of them turned out not to have been low-risk at all. Saudi Arabia recently published a list of its 85 most wanted terrorists; 11 of them had been detained at Guantánamo Bay.

Said Ali al-Shihri, who disappeared from his home in Saudi Arabia after spending months in a Saudi jihad rehabilitation program, recently showed up in a video posted on a jihadist website. He is now the deputy leader of al Qaeda's Yemeni branch, which bombed the American embassy in Sana'a in September 2008. That attack killed 13 civilians, as well as six terrorists.

Mohammed Naim Farouq was released from Gitmo in July 2003. In 2006, the Defense Intelligence Agency listed him as one of the 20 most wanted terrorists operating in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Abdullah Saleh al Ajmi, a Kuwaiti, was detained at Gitmo, released, and then blew himself up in Mosul, Iraq, in March 2008. The attack killed 13 Iraqi soldiers and wounded dozens more.

Ibrahim Bin Shakaran and Mohammed Bin Ahmad Mizouz were both transferred from Guantánamo to Morocco in July 2004. In September 2007, they were convicted of being recruiters for Al Qaeda in Iraq.

These are detainees that the U.S. government determined were good candidates for release. The ones who remain in Guantánamo are not. "In some cases, we do know that they'll return to the battlefield because they've told us they will," says Juan Zarate, counterterrorism czar in the Bush White House.

The question for the new president and his advisers is what is an acceptable level of risk. "They may say 'These guys are dangerous but it's better than keeping them,' " says Zarate. But "the government needs to be very clear and honest about who these guys are and take any such step to release them with our eyes wide open."

Being clear and honest means sharing with Congress and the American public as much information as possible. Democratic senator Joseph Lieberman is calling for the report's release: "We know that a number of detainees who have been released have returned to the battlefield to attack Americans and American interests abroad. The American people need to know what is in the report so that Congress can make an informed decision on what to do with the detainees currently held at Guantánamo and with combatants captured in the future in the war on terror."

Even George W. Bush did better. In June 2008, the Pentagon released a partial list of recidivist Guantánamo alumni. Is it the case that the Obama administration, just six weeks in, is not even as transparent as the super-secretive Bush administration?

--Stephen F. Hayes & Thomas Joscelyn

I'm sure president Bush released a lot of DOD reports about the terrorist activities of former Gitmo inmates, but not so many about the people we detained that had nothing to do with terrorism (or the ones we beat to death in other detention facilities). The idea that transparency means releasing every possible document available to the public is absurd, especially since the report you're discussing relies pretty heavily on second hand information if I'm not mistaken. Why should he release a report that's potentially damaging to the closure of Gitmo if he doesn't believe it contains accurate information?
 
Even your "rebuttal" seems to support the conclusion that there are, in fact, recidivists returning to the battlefield.

Most of it was made up by the Bush administration. You know, the same MO.

Besides, think about it, you were a neighbor who pissed someone off, they turn you in to the USA, they take to GITMO, you are tortured. Shit, the minute I got out of there I would find something to blow up that was US!
If I still had the brains to do it!

Eight of those 66 people that returned to terror simply made statement against the US. Hell, in that case, I am a terrorist! Dick Cheney sees terrorists. Surprised South Park hasn't done that one!
 
What provides confidence that this article is credible is the fact that it is forthcoming with names, dates, etc.

Not the usual screed you'd find in liberal propaganda pieces with all of their "unnamed scources". :p


Credible, like all the GOP propaganda pieces! Liberal screed, why do you hate us so? Did a liberal kick your dog? Was one nice to you one day?

Why don't you try to love your neighbor, can't we just be friends. It is a new day! No more Bush! they don't even follow Bush around like they did Clinton till 9/11 happened! All I can say is THANK THE GODS!
 
I'm sure president Bush released a lot of DOD reports about the terrorist activities of former Gitmo inmates, but not so many about the people we detained that had nothing to do with terrorism (or the ones we beat to death in other detention facilities). The idea that transparency means releasing every possible document available to the public is absurd, especially since the report you're discussing relies pretty heavily on second hand information if I'm not mistaken. Why should he release a report that's potentially damaging to the closure of Gitmo if he doesn't believe it contains accurate information?

Who says he doesn't believe it contains accurate information?
 
Oh now the sources can go on record because Bush and team cant retaliate on them now.


The GITMO guards are coming out of the woodwork now! Telling the truth about the place. Bush created more terrorists outside of GITMO because of GITMO than those released. Think of all the terrorism he created because of Iraq! Oh, "think" that is the key word here, isn't it!
 
The GITMO guards are coming out of the woodwork now! Telling the truth about the place. Bush created more terrorists outside of GITMO because of GITMO than those released. Think of all the terrorism he created because of Iraq! Oh, "think" that is the key word here, isn't it!

A guard who exagerated with heavy inuendo about a 2 1/2 month period of time is not equal to this statement;

"GITMO guards are coming out of the woodwork now!"

"think" certainly would be a good idea for you to try.
 
The GITMO guards are coming out of the woodwork now! Telling the truth about the place. Bush created more terrorists outside of GITMO because of GITMO than those released. Think of all the terrorism he created because of Iraq! Oh, "think" that is the key word here, isn't it!

L-)
 
A guard who exagerated with heavy inuendo about a 2 1/2 month period of time is not equal to this statement;

"GITMO guards are coming out of the woodwork now!"

"think" certainly would be a good idea for you to try.


One guard, there are more. The place was evil, what we did there was evil.
You would retaliate, it is in human nature to do so!
 
A guard who exagerated with heavy inuendo about a 2 1/2 month period of time is not equal to this statement;

"GITMO guards are coming out of the woodwork now!"

"think" certainly would be a good idea for you to try.

I am not going to play your personal insult game with you on this forum, my comment was in general. Go away little girl! Froggie won't play that way here.

Have a lovely day!
 
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