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General McChrystal Biography
Commander, International Security Assistance Force/
Commander, United States Forces Afghanistan
United States Army
SOURCE OF COMMISSIONED SERVICE: USMA EDUCATIONAL DEGREES
United States Military Academy - BS - No Major
United States Naval War College - MA - National Security and Strategic Studies
Salve Regina University - MS - International Relations

MILITARY SCHOOLS ATTENDED:
Infantry Officer Basic and Advanced Courses
United States Naval Command and Staff College
Senior Service College Fellowship Harvard University

FOREIGN LANGUAGES:
Spanish
PROMOTIONS DATE OF APPOINTMENT:
2LT 2 Jun 76
1LT 2 Jun 78
CPT 1 Aug 80
MAJ 1 Jul 87
LTC 1 Sep 92
COL 1 Sep 96
BG 1 Jan 01
MG 1 May 04
LTG 16 Feb 06
GEN 11 Jun 09

FROM TO ASSIGNMENT:
Nov 76 Feb 78 Weapons Platoon Leader, C Company, 1st Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 82d Airborne Division, Fort Bragg, North Carolina
Feb 78 Jul 78 Rifle Platoon Leader, C Company, 1st Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 82d Airborne Division, Fort Bragg, North Carolina
Jul 78 Nov 78 Executive Officer, C Company, 1st Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 82d Airborne Division, Fort Bragg, North Carolina
Nov 78 Apr 79 Student, Special Forces Officer Course, Special Forces School, Fort Bragg, North Carolina
Apr 79 Jun 80 Commander, Detachment A, A Company, 1st Battalion, 7th Special Forces Group (Airborne), Fort Bragg, North Carolina
Jun 80 Feb 81 Student, Infantry Officer Advanced Course, United States Army Infantry School, Fort Benning, Georgia
Feb 81 Mar 82 S2/S3 (Intelligence/Operations), United Nations Command Support Group Joint Security Area, Korea
Mar 82 Nov 82 Training Officer, Directorate of Plans and Training, A Company, Headquarters Command, Fort Stewart, Georgia
Nov 82 Sep 84 Commander, A Company, 3d Battalion, 19th Infantry, 24th Infantry Division (Mechanized), Fort Stewart, Georgia
Sep 84 Sep 85 S3 (Operations), 3d Battalion, 19th Infantry, 24th Infantry Division (Mechanized), Fort Stewart, Georgia
Sep 85 Jan 86 Liaison Officer, 3d Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, Fort Benning, Georgia
Jan 86 May 87 Commander, A Company, 3d Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, Fort Benning, Georgia
May 87 Apr 88 Liaison Officer, 3d Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, Fort Benning, Georgia
Apr 88 Jun 89 S3 (Operations), 3d Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, Fort Benning, Georgia
Jun 89 Jun 90 Student, Command and Staff Course, United States Naval War College, Newport, Rhode Island
Jun 90 Apr 93 Army Special Operations Action Officer, J3, Joint Special Operations Command, Fort Bragg, North Carolina and OPERATIONS DESERT SHIELD/STORM, Saudi Arabia
Apr 93 Nov 94 Commander, 2d Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 82d Airborne Division, Fort Bragg, North Carolina
Nov 94 Jun 96 Commander, 2d Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, Fort Lewis, Washington
Jun 96 Jun 97 Senior Service College Fellowship, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts
Jun 97 Aug 99 Commander, 75th Ranger Regiment, Fort Benning, Georgia
Aug 99 Jun 00 Military Fellow, Council on Foreign Relations, New York, New York
Jun 00 Jun 01 Assistant Division Commander (Operations), 82d Airborne Division, Fort Bragg, North Carolina to include duty as Commander, Combined Joint Task Force Kuwait, Camp Doha, Kuwait
Jun 01 Jul 02 Chief of Staff, XVIII Airborne Corps and Fort Bragg, Fort Bragg, North Carolina to include duty as Chief of Staff, Combined Joint Task Force180, OPERATION ENDURING
FREEDOM, Afghanistan
Jul 02 Sep 03 Vice Director for Operations, J3, The Joint Staff, Washington, DC
Sep 03 Feb 06 Commanding General, Joint Special Operations Command, Fort Bragg, North Carolina
Feb 06 Jun 08 Commander, Joint Special Operations Command/Commander, Joint Special Operations Command Forward, United States Special Operations Command, Fort Bragg, North Carolina
Aug 08 Jun 09 Director, The Joint Staff, Washington, DC
Jun 09 Present Commander, International Security Assistance Force/Commander, United States Forces Afghanistan, OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM, Afghanistan

SUMMARY OF JOINT ASSIGNMENTS:
S2/S3 (Intelligence/Operations), United Nations Command Support Group Joint Security Area, Korea (Feb 81-Mar 82, Captain)
Army Special Operations Action Officer, J3, Joint Special Operations Command, Fort Bragg, North Carolina and OPERATIONS DESERT SHIELD/STORM, Saudi Arabia Jun 90-Apr 93 Major/Lieutenant Colonel)
Chief of Staff, XVIII Airborne Corps and Fort Bragg, Fort Bragg, North Carolina to include duty as Chief of Staff, Combined Joint Task Force180, OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM, Afghanistan (Jun 01-Jul 02, Brigadier General)
Vice Director for Operations, J3, The Joint Staff, Washington, DC (Jul 02-Sep 03, Brigadier General)
Commanding General, Joint Special Operations Command, Fort Bragg, North Carolina (Sep 03-Feb 06, Brigadier General/Major General)
Commander, Joint Special Operations Command/Commander, Joint Special Operations
Command Forward, United States Special Operations Command, Fort Bragg, North Carolina (Feb 06-Jun 08, Major General/Lieutenant General)
Director, The Joint Staff, Washington, DC (Aug 08-Jun 09, Lieutenant General)
Commander, International Security Assistance Force/Commander, United States Forces Afghanistan, OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM, Afghanistan (Jun 09-Present, General)

SUMMARY OF OPERATIONS ASSIGNMENTS DATE GRADE
Army Special Operations Action Officer, J3, Joint Special Operations Command, OPERATIONS DESERT SHIELD/STORM, Saudi Arabia (Jun 90-Mar 91, Major)
Commander, Combined Joint Task Force Kuwait, Camp Doha, Kuwait (Apr 01-Jun 01, Brigadier General)
Chief of Staff, Combined Joint Task Force180, OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM, Afghanistan (May 02-Jul 02, Brigadier General)
Commander, International Security Assistance Force/Commander, United States Forces Afghanistan, OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM, Afghanistan (Jun 09- Present, General)
US DECORATIONS AND BADGES:
Defense Distinguished Service Medal
Defense Superior Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Cluster)
Legion of Merit (with 2 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Bronze Star Medal
Defense Meritorious Service Medal
Meritorious Service Medal (with 3 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Army Commendation Medal
Army Achievement Medal
Expert Infantryman Badge
Master Parachutist Badge
Ranger Tab
Special Forces Tab
Joint Chiefs of Staff Identification Badge
_________________________________________________________________
Obama Biography:
Birthplace: Hawaii
Education: Columbia University, Harvard Law School. Records never produced, attendance remains questionable.
Military Career: None
Business Career: None
Political Career: Community organizer, Chicago, 1983-86; civil rights attorney, Chicago, 1991-96;
University of Chicago, lecturer, early 1990s-2004; Illinois State Senator, 1996-2005; U.S. Senator, 2005-2008; President 2008-.
____________________________________________________________________

I could be wrong but maybe the wrong person resigned -
 
Except Obama was his superior officer. Yeah it sucks to be outranked by someone theoretically less qualified (military leadership =/= civilian leadership), but that's how it is.
 
It would have looked the same if you were to do this to Truman and MacArthur, except that Truman had military service. Truman had zero college education, though, and MacArthur was a war hero of the Pacfic Theatre.
 
"Many forms of Government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

Winston Churchill
 
Mr. Obamunist said:
Except Obama was his superior officer. Yeah it sucks to be outranked by someone theoretically less qualified (military leadership =/= civilian leadership), but that's how it is.
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Military service isn't a requirement for any political office that I know of.

One can be a brilliant general but a mediocre president. See Eisenhower.
 
christiefan915 said:
Military service isn't a requirement for any political office that I know of.

One can be a brilliant general but a mediocre president. See Eisenhower.
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Eisenhower was an excellent President, and the last fiscal conservative we've had in the office. He was the last President to ever pay down some of the debt with which we continue irresponsibly to cripple our future.
 
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Southern Man said:
Christie simply don't like Ike because he as an R after his name.
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Actually Ike did a number of things I liked, which would seem to be things you'd hate:

Eisenhower refused to roll-back the New Deal, but instead enlarged the Social Security program and launched the Interstate Highway System...

He expanded [New Deal] programs and rolled them into a new cabinet-level agency, the Department of Health, Education and Welfare, while extending benefits to an additional ten million workers...

The Eisenhower administration declared racial discrimination a national security issue, and told District of Columbia officials to make Washington a model for the rest of the country in integrating black and white public school children...

Eisenhower appointed both Earl Warren and William J. Brennan to the Supreme Court...

However, he blotted his copybook by authorizing the CIA to overthrow the Shah, a decision that has ramifications to this day; he had a bush-like doctrine that "the U.S. would be "prepared to use armed force to stop the spread of communism; and he contributed to the growing Vietnam debacle by sending U.S. "advisors" as far back as the '50's.

I just don't buy into the "might makes right" doctrine he favored.
 
christiefan915 said:
Actually Ike did a number of things I liked, which would seem to be things you'd hate:

Eisenhower refused to roll-back the New Deal, but instead enlarged the Social Security program and launched the Interstate Highway System...

He expanded [New Deal] programs and rolled them into a new cabinet-level agency, the Department of Health, Education and Welfare, while extending benefits to an additional ten million workers...

The Eisenhower administration declared racial discrimination a national security issue, and told District of Columbia officials to make Washington a model for the rest of the country in integrating black and white public school children...

Eisenhower appointed both Earl Warren and William J. Brennan to the Supreme Court...

However, he blotted his copybook by authorizing the CIA to overthrow the Shah, a decision that has ramifications to this day; he had a bush-like doctrine that "the U.S. would be "prepared to use armed force to stop the spread of communism; and he contributed to the growing Vietnam debacle by sending U.S. "advisors" as far back as the '50's.

I just don't buy into the "might makes right" doctrine he favored.
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What? The guy who warned against the Military Industrial Complex has a "Might Makes Right" mentality?

Jeebus. You'll just make anything up, nobody will check on it...

He reduced the military, cutting costs by making the much cheaper nuclear weapons. He wasn't out there all banging his chest. Although he did get China to agree to a cease fire in Korea.

He warned against the MIC (as I said before), even while he cut spending in that arena.

"we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex... The potential for the disastrious rise of misplaced power exists and will persist... Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together." - Dwight D. Eisenhower
 
Ike had a policy of reducing the need for manpower (and thus potential casualties) whereby we would rely more on new toys such as IRBMs and ICBMs. The policy was called the New Look.

christiefan915 said:
Military service isn't a requirement for any political office that I know of.

One can be a brilliant general and an excellent president. See Eisenhower.
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Fixed.
 
Damocles said:
What? The guy who warned against the Military Industrial Complex has a "Might Makes Right" mentality?

Jeebus. You'll just make anything up, nobody will check on it...

He reduced the military, cutting costs by making the much cheaper nuclear weapons. He wasn't out there all banging his chest. Although he did get China to agree to a cease fire in Korea.

He warned against the MIC (as I said before), even while he cut spending in that arena.

"we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex... The potential for the disastrious rise of misplaced power exists and will persist... Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together." - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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That's what he said on the eve of his departure from office, but it's not how he acted during the preceding eight years. Which part of this suggests a president *not concerned* with advancing U.S. power in the world?

Eisenhower:

--promised economic assistance and/or aid from U.S. military forces if it was being threatened by armed aggression from another state

-- threatened to use nuclear weapons, forcing China to agree to a cease-fire of the Korean War

--promised to maintain both a strong NATO commitment against Communism

--administration authorized the Central Intelligence Agency to overthrow Iran's first democratically elected government;

--created a doctrine that consisted of a major commitment by the United States to the security and stability of the Middle East and signaled a new level of US resolve to exert influence in international affairs. By issuing the doctrine, Eisenhower raised the prospect that the United States would fight in the Middle East and accepted responsibilities in the region that the United States would retain for decades to come.[50]

--offered military and economic aid to the new nation of South Vietnam.[52] In the years that followed, the number of US military advisors in South Vietnam increased;


I know you have a reflexive need to defend anyone with an "R" in front of his name but history is more objective.
 
christiefan915 said:
That's what he said on the eve of his departure from office, but it's not how he acted during the preceding eight years. Which part of this suggests a president *not concerned* with advancing U.S. power in the world?

Eisenhower:

--promised economic assistance and/or aid from U.S. military forces if it was being threatened by armed aggression from another state

-- threatened to use nuclear weapons, forcing China to agree to a cease-fire of the Korean War

--promised to maintain both a strong NATO commitment against Communism

--administration authorized the Central Intelligence Agency to overthrow Iran's first democratically elected government;

--created a doctrine that consisted of a major commitment by the United States to the security and stability of the Middle East and signaled a new level of US resolve to exert influence in international affairs. By issuing the doctrine, Eisenhower raised the prospect that the United States would fight in the Middle East and accepted responsibilities in the region that the United States would retain for decades to come.[50]

--offered military and economic aid to the new nation of South Vietnam.[52] In the years that followed, the number of US military advisors in South Vietnam increased;


I know you have a reflexive need to defend anyone with an "R" in front of his name but history is more objective.
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Yes, promised assistance. He helped to set up the Jordanian government we know today. That isn't "might makes right"...

Seriously, you've got the wrong description for one of the top 10 US Presidents.
 
Threedee said:
Ike had a policy of reducing the need for manpower (and thus potential casualties) whereby we would rely more on new toys such as IRBMs and ICBMs. The policy was called the New Look.



Fixed.
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Let's just say you have a vested interest in defending anything he did on the military side.

(Changing quotes is lame.)
 
Damocles said:
Yes, promised assistance. He helped to set up the Jordanian government we know today. That isn't "might makes right"...

Seriously, you've got the wrong description for one of the top 10 US Presidents.
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Threatening to nuke a country isn't "might makes right"? In what Republican universe?

His setting up the Jordanian government is balanced by his contributing to the destruction of our relations with Iran by having their democratically-elected leader assassinated. It's reminiscent of bush and Saddam.

I already posted what I liked about him, and it wasn't the military and foreign policy decisions listed in my earlier post.
 
christiefan915 said:
Threatening to nuke a country isn't "might makes right"? In what Republican universe?

His setting up the Jordanian government is balanced by his contributing to the destruction of our relations with Iran by having their democratically-elected leader assassinated. It's reminiscent of bush and Saddam.

I already posted what I liked about him, and it wasn't the military and foreign policy decisions listed in my earlier post.
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Nuking and taking over is "might makes right"...

Ask Obama who keeps "everything on the table"... veiled threats do not change the actuality.

Now, I agree that Iran was a blunder, generally when we let the CIA "overthrow" places we run into our own stupidity not even far into the future.
 
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