The Partnership: The Secret History of the War in Ukraine | New York Times

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On March 29, the New York Times published an article from a journalist named Adam Entous with the same name as this thread. I have a subscription to the New York Times, which allows me to share 10 articles a month. Here is the unlocked version:

A great deal of what it revealed was already revealed through leaks, but this is the first time that a mainstream publication is actually coming forward with this. 3 journalists that I follow have come out with articles getting into what it had to say. The first 2 are free articles, the third is mostly behind a paywall, but still worth the first free part I think.

Here's the first article, which is fully viewable for free:
New York Times Fantasy Tale of Ukraine’s Almost Great Victory Over Russia | Larry Johnson

My favourite quote from this article:
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Entous, in the closing paragraphs of Part 3, grudgingly admits the [2023 Ukrainian] counteroffensive was a clusterfuck, but refuses to assign any blame to the incredible US military leaders.

But to another senior Ukrainian official, “The real reason why we were not successful was because an improper number of forces were assigned to execute the plan.”

Either way, for the partners, the counteroffensive’s devastating outcome left bruised feelings on both sides. “The important relationships were maintained,” said Ms. Wallander, the Pentagon official. “But it was no longer the inspired and trusting brotherhood of 2022 and early 2023.”
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Here's the second article:

Here's its concluding remarks:
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The report notes that Biden “crossed his final red line” in 2024 by “expanding the ops box to allow ATACMS and British Storm Shadow strikes into Russia” both crossing the ATACMS red line and the red line prohibiting direct U.S. attacks on Russia.

The report also noted that “The(Biden) administration also authorized the C.I.A. to support long-range missile and drone strikes into a section of southern Russia used as a staging area for the assault on Pokrovsk, and allowed the military advisers to leave Kyiv for command posts closer to the fighting.”

The fact that this did not spiral into World War three or a nuclear war is truly a miracle, but this report shows that Biden again and again crossed all of Russia’s red lines and authorized direct American attacks into Russian soil.

Earlier in the report, it quotes an official who opposed giving Ukraine direct intelligence as to where Russian officials were located saying “Imagine how that would be for us if we knew that the Russians helped some other country assassinate our chairman” with another U.S. official saying “Like, we’d go to war”.

But the Biden administration and the CIA took it way farther than this, actively working with Ukraine to strike into Crimea and later deep into Russian territory, even after the U.S. intelligence estimated a “50 percent chance” Russia would use Nuclear weapons over Crimea.


Final Thoughts

The truth about war will always come out, but only when it’s too late. This information would have been crucial during the Biden administration, but mainstream media denied these facts for years, only to admit that they were true all along -after the damage had already been done.
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The mainly paywalled one is here:

Here's the introduction to this last one:
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The following is a detailed ~4,300-word premium article delving into the more insightful nuggets and revelations found in the New York Times’ epic new report on the American involvement in the Ukrainian war. Some have dismissed the NYT report as chaff, filled with obvious realities long known to most. Which is why I’ve specifically concentrated on the rarer insights, and overlooked gems that provide a deeper understanding of just how enmeshed NATO and the US have been in the war since the beginning. This includes major confirmations of my reporting on the Delta Leaks from 2023, as well as fascinating intersections with Grayzone’s leaks about parallel and rival British secret programs to shore up Ukraine.

NYT just released a bombshell exposé which goes into more detail than ever before on the secret US military and intelligence operation using Ukraine as a proxy, which consisted of the combined assets from the Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency, Defense Intelligence Agency, and National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency working in concert with military officials to provide everything from targeting and kill-chain control, to direct frontline tactical maneuver advisement—amongst other things.

Of course, most of it is news only to the NPCs who’ve subsisted on main courses of MSM consumption. If you’ve been a subscriber here for a while, you will have already known everything ‘uncovered’ in the above exposé—which we’ll get in to later—but it’s at least refreshing to see the admissions finally rolling out, as well as more fleshed out details of the involvement. The article was allegedly the result of more than a year’s worth of research, comprising over 300 interviews “with current and former policymakers, Pentagon officials, intelligence officials and military officers in Ukraine, the United States, Britain and a number of other European countries.”

While some agreed to speak on the record, most requested that their names not be used in order to discuss sensitive military and intelligence operations.
It begins by describing how in the early months of the war, two Ukrainian generals embarked on one of the most ‘secretive’ missions of the war, to Clay Kaserne—the HQ of US Army Europe—in Wiesbaden, Germany.

Right up front they make one of the most critical admissions of the conflict:

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=But a New York Times investigation reveals that America was woven into the war far more intimately and broadly than previously understood.=

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In particular, pay attention to the last pair of sentences:

=Side by side in Wiesbaden’s mission command center, American and Ukrainian officers planned Kyiv’s counteroffensives. A vast American intelligence-collection effort both guided big-picture battle strategy and funneled precise targeting information down to Ukrainian soldiers in the field.=

The last part in particular is what we had already uncovered here with the Delta Leaks two years ago, which exposed how the US was collating vast reams of actionable targeting data and transmitting it to Ukraine. We later learned through the Google-founded Project Maven that AI was utilized to further sift through these endless satellite/SAR data streams to identify ‘points of interest’.

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The article is more interesting for the small nuggets it reveals, rather than the grand scheme that had long been obvious to the astute not drinking from the propaganda fountain.

For instance, it describes how early ‘successes’ in the US-Ukraine partnership led to a kind of honeymoon phase which culminated in the offensives of 2022, but soon after had curdled beneath growing resentment between the two sides.

=The Ukrainians sometimes saw the Americans as overbearing and controlling — the prototypical patronizing Americans. The Americans sometimes couldn’t understand why the Ukrainians didn’t simply accept good advice.

Where the Americans focused on measured, achievable objectives, they saw the Ukrainians as constantly grasping for the big win, the bright, shining prize. The Ukrainians, for their part, often saw the Americans as holding them back. The Ukrainians aimed to win the war outright. Even as they shared that hope, the Americans wanted to make sure the Ukrainians didn’t lose it.=

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The Gaggle says that this piece claims that the Spring Offensive was very successful, which is Anti-Truth.

It does both, first saying that it was successful, before admitting it was a cluster-f*ck. It never blames the U.S. for it though, despite admitting that U.S. officials never actually believed that Ukraine could beat Russia.
 
It does both, first saying that it was successful, before admitting it was a cluster-f*ck. It never blames the U.S. for it though, despite admitting that U.S. officials never actually believed that Ukraine could beat Russia.
Did they make a claim on who drew up the Spring Offensive Plans? Generally I hear that the Kursk Debacle was designed by the Brits, I have generally been told that the Spring Offensive disaster was done by the Americans, with Milley in charge. ANDREI MARTYANOV says that the American Generals are uneducated and incompetent almost down to the last one, and I am almost certain he feels the same about the Brits.
 
Did they make a claim on who drew up the Spring Offensive Plans? Generally I hear that the Kursk Debacle was designed by the Brits, I have generally been told that the Spring Offensive disaster was done by the Americans, with Milley in charge.

The Dissident substacker states that the New York Times article said that Mark Miley and the Pentagon didn't actually want to go through with the spring counter offensive, which, if true, actually casts Miley and the Pentagon in a good light for a change. Quoting from The Dissident article:
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The article revealed that Mark Milley and the Pentagon knew all along that the 2023 “spring counteroffensive” would fail and advocated for Ukraine to strike a deal when they were in a stronger position, to be rebuked by warmongers in Congress who accused them of “appeasement”.

The article wrote that :


At the Pentagon, officials worried about their ability to supply enough weapons for the counteroffensive; perhaps the Ukrainians, in their strongest possible position, should consider cutting a deal. When the Joint Chiefs chairman, General Milley, floated that idea in a speech, many of Ukraine’s supporters (including congressional Republicans, then overwhelmingly supportive of the war) cried appeasement.
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As to Kursk, that was apparently the decision of Ukrainian General Syrsky alone and the U.S. definitely wasn't happy about it. Quoting from the New York Times article referenced in the opening post:
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Summer 2024: Ukraine’s armies in the north and east were stretched dangerously thin. Still, General Syrsky kept telling the Americans, “I need a win.”

A foreshadowing had come back in March, when the Americans discovered that Ukraine’s military intelligence agency, the HUR, was furtively planning a ground operation into southwest Russia. The C.I.A. station chief in Kyiv confronted the HUR commander, Gen. Kyrylo Budanov: If he crossed into Russia, he would do so without American weapons or intelligence support. He did, only to be forced back.

At moments like these, Biden administration officials would joke bitterly that they knew more about what the Russians were planning by spying on them than about what their Ukrainian partners were planning.

To the Ukrainians, though, “don’t ask, don’t tell,” was “better than ask and stop,” explained Lt. Gen. Valeriy Kondratiuk, a former Ukrainian military intelligence commander. He added: “We are allies, but we have different goals. We protect our country, and you protect your phantom fears from the Cold War.”

In August in Wiesbaden, General Aguto’s tour was coming to its scheduled end. He left on the 9th. The same day, the Ukrainians dropped a cryptic reference to something happening in the north.

On Aug. 10, the C.I.A. station chief left, too, for a job at headquarters. In the churn of command, General Syrsky made his move — sending troops across the southwest Russian border, into the region of Kursk.

For the Americans, the incursion’s unfolding was a significant breach of trust. It wasn’t just that the Ukrainians had again kept them in the dark; they had secretly crossed a mutually agreed-upon line, taking coalition-supplied equipment into Russian territory encompassed by the ops box, in violation of rules laid down when it was created.

The box had been established to prevent a humanitarian disaster in Kharkiv, not so the Ukrainians could take advantage of it to seize Russian soil. “It wasn’t almost blackmail, it was blackmail,” a senior Pentagon official said.

The Americans could have pulled the plug on the ops box. Yet they knew that to do so, an administration official explained, “could lead to a catastrophe”: Ukrainian soldiers in Kursk would perish unprotected by HIMARS rockets and U.S. intelligence.

Kursk, the Americans concluded, was the win Mr. Zelensky had been hinting at all along. It was also evidence of his calculations: He still spoke of total victory. But one of the operation’s goals, he explained to the Americans, was leverage — to capture and hold Russian land that could be traded for Ukrainian land in future negotiations.

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"The Russian Generals always out General the Americans"
Alexander

The Duran says that we must stop thinking of this as a proxy war....this is a war between America and Russia, and America lost.

Also that this article is narrative spinning, this is the neocons trying to sell the story that America would have won if the Ukrainians had followed orders.
 
"There is not a hint of contrarian anywhere in this article, there is not a glimmer of self doubt about what the Americans were doing"
Alexander

The Americans refuse to learn.....this is the big story in the collapse of the Imperial Empire.
 
The general sense the Duran gets is that as much as this is narrative war spinning that America was right to do this war and that America would have won if not for the Ukrainians if you read between the lines this piece is a catalog of American failure.
 
The NYT's almost completely ignored the Europeans, and says that the American Generals were running this disastrous war, but because there are so many lies told I dont think we know that it was the Americans who designed the Kursk Debacle....it may well have been the Brits as my grapevine generally thinks.

It certainly was not the Ukrainians as is the official narrative.

Over 75,000 men and 400 tanks lost.

For Nothing.

 
The over 75,000 NATO men lost is not KIA plus so injured that they wont return as the Russians report casualties.....it is over 75,000 dead.....FOR NOTHING.
 
The NYT's almost completely ignored the Europeans, and says that the American Generals were running this disastrous war, but because there are so many lies told I dont think we know that it was the Americans who designed the Kursk Debacle....it may well have been the Brits as my grapevine generally thinks.

It certainly was not the Ukrainians as is the official narrative.

Over 75,000 men and 400 tanks lost.

For Nothing.


How are you so certain that it wasn't the Ukrainian General Syrsky, as claimed by Entous' New York Times article?
 
How are you so certain that it wasn't the Ukrainian General Syrsky, as claimed by Entous' New York Times article?
Because I know how the world works....I paid attention.

I think I've been paying a fair amount of attention to the war in Ukraine as well, and I do remember hearing somewhere that Britain had something to do with the Kursk incursion, but to date, I haven't seen any solid evidence of this assertion. If you find any, please let me know.
 
I think I've been paying a fair amount of attention to the war in Ukraine as well, and I do remember hearing somewhere that Britain had something to do with the Kursk incursion, but to date, I haven't seen any solid evidence of this assertion. If you find any, please let me know.
They who did it dont what us to know what they did......if you are waiting for them to admit it then you have not been paying attention.
 
I think I've been paying a fair amount of attention to the war in Ukraine as well, and I do remember hearing somewhere that Britain had something to do with the Kursk incursion, but to date, I haven't seen any solid evidence of this assertion. If you find any, please let me know.
They who did it dont what us to know what they did......if you are waiting for them to admit it then you have not been paying attention.

My question is, how are you so sure that Britain was involved in the decision to attack Kursk? It's one thing to suspect, another thing to be sure.
 
My question is, how are you so sure that Britain was involved in the decision to attack Kursk? It's one thing to suspect, another thing to be sure.
I think that the Americans decided to do it, and they subcontracted out the operation to the Brits, because this is that my grapevine tends to think.

Unlike who killed JFK this is something that we will know soon.
 
My question is, how are you so sure that Britain was involved in the decision to attack Kursk? It's one thing to suspect, another thing to be sure.
I think that the Americans decided to do it, and they subcontracted out the operation to the Brits, because this is that my grapevine tends to think.

Unlike who killed JFK this is something that we will know soon.

Alright, well if you could get more specific as to who your grapevine sources are, would be helpful :-). As to JFK, I think we already know a fair amount on who did that, there's been -lots- of time for that information to come out.
 
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