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Obama’s Very Shaky 10-Minute CEO Earnings Claim
Filed under: Business Moves, Economy, Taxes & Government — TBlumer @ 9:27 am
It’s an extraordinarily clever claim. It gets your attention. It’s misleading.

And of course, Old Media isn’t questioning it.

I am referring to the following statement made by the candidate I refer to as BOOHOO (Barack O-bomba Overseas Hussein “Obambi” Obama) in radio ads currently running in Ohio and Texas:

Some CEOs make more in 10 minutes than some American workers make in a year.

In the full context of the ad, I believe that what Obama wants listeners to take away is that “Quite a few CEOs typically, year after year, make more in 10 minutes than some American workers make in a year.”

But let’s limit things to the literal wording. Start with a full-time minimum-wage worker who earns (rounded) $12,000 annually ($5.85 per hour times 2,080 hours is a bit more than that). How much would a CEO have to make in a year to be earning over $12,000 every 10 minutes?

The answer: At least $187 million — and, uh, “change”:



So how many CEOs made that much in 2006? The answer in 2006, according to Forbes, was three: Steven Jobs(Apple) Ray Irani (Occidental Petroleum), and Barry Diller(IAC-InterActive Corp)


How about 2005? Try one (per Forbes), maybe two (woopidoo.com has an additional name on its list):Terry S. Semel (Yahoo!)


One-year wonders are fine, but how many CEOs averaged $187.2 million or more in earnings over 5 years? As you can see above, the answer is “none in either year.”

It’s also worth noting that three of the four CEOs above (Jobs, Semel, and Diller) are in charge of high-tech businesses that are not exactly known for having high concentrations of minimum-wage workers.

If Obama’s claim stands, it does so using the narrowest of definitions, and even then it only survives by the very thinnest of margins. An ordinary listener would clearly believe that Obama’s ad refers to more than four people (or five, if you include the additional CEO listed at woopidoo.com) in a two-year period.

Obama’s single-out of CEOs is also conveniently selective. If you wonder why he did not include certain entertainers in the list of those making more in 10 minutes than some workers, wonder no more:

Rank Name Pay ($mil) Web Rank Press Rank TV Rank
1 Oprah Winfrey 260 1 7 1
2 Tiger Woods 100 16 3 3
3 Madonna 72 2 1 6
4 Rolling Stones 88 7 14 20
5 Brad Pitt 35 15 9 12
6 Johnny Depp 92 32 21 39
7 Elton John 53 18 18 35
8 Tom Cruise 31 8 10 7
9 Jay-Z 83 10 4 7 50
10 Steven Spielberg 110 45 33 51
11 Tom Hanks 74 34 42 55
13 Howard Stern 70 59 58 5
14 Angelina Jolie 20 13 13 13
15 David Beckham 33 25 6 42
16 Phil Mickelson 42 81 12 18
17 David Letterman 40 60 32 10
18 Bon Jovi 67 21 57 53
19 Donald Trump 32 28 27 8
20 Celine Dion 45 20 59 65

Lee Cary at American Thinker adds this:

Sure, the gross disparity between CEO and average worker pay is a valid issue. And, for a relatively few CEOs and other mega-earners like Oprah Winfrey, top professional athletes, and major Hollywood movie stars, Obama’s claim may be mathematically accurate. But as a blanket assertion, it’s a level of derogatory rhetoric that only works when adulation kills critical thinking.It’s also appears to be a level of derogatory rhetoric Old Media doesn’t mind letting go by unchallenged.
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Just LOOK at this list, and TELL ME that Liberal Culture hasn't SCREWED UP, and is on the way to DESTROYING.
Obama whines about how much CEO's make, but he says NOTHING about Tiger Woods hitting a LITTLE WHITE BALL, and making as much as THREE THOUSAND TEACHERS make. Or Oprah Winfrey, who makes as much as EIGHT-THOUSAND, FIVE HUNDRED Teachers. Or Stven Speilberg, who makes as much as THREE-THOUSAND THREE-HUNDRED Teachers.

WHY, do think that IS, that Mr. Obama, or ANY Democrat, are ALWAYS ATTACKING BUSINESS, CORPORATIONS, AND CEOS, who create JOBS, make PRODUCTS, FOR AMERICAN CONSUMPTION, WHICH HELPS THE ECONOMY,yet NEVER seem to have ANYTHING NEGATIVE TO SAY ABOUT "ENTERTAINMENT" PEOPLE, who do VERY LITTLE, FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD, AND ACTUALLY CAUSE HARM, LIKE THE RAPE-AND-MURDER MOVIES, THAT CHILDREN WATCH, GROW UP, AND IMITATE?? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??
Could it BE, because Obama, and Democrats, in General, are.......................................HYPOCRITES???? Could THAT be the REASON, that they don't want to UPSET their Millionare Democrat Contributors, their Fat-Cat freinds in Hollywood, who invite them to their star-filled parties? Gee, is it POSSIBLE??? Hmmmmmmmmm??????
 
make that "Liberal Culture hasn't SCREWED UP, and is on the way to DESTROYING", American Traditional Values. I left the "American Traditional Values" out, above.
 
The rise of executive pay, its defenders claim, is no more problematic than the fact that, say, Red Sox slugger Manny Ramirez is paid much more than earlier stars like Ted Williams.

But the process affecting the compensation of star athletes is quite different from the one that determines CEO compensation. A team executive negotiating with an athlete can be expected to be guided by the club's interests, while the player's agent is looking out for the client's demands. When independent buyers and sellers hammer out a transaction this way, the market's invisible hand is commonly expected to produce efficient arrangements.

But in setting executive pay, as we document in our research, directors have not been guided solely by the interests of shareholders. Instead, they have had various economic incentives, reinforced by social and psychological factors, to go along with arrangements favorable to top managers. The nature of board membership, combined with the small size of the overall director community, results in a closed culture among people who share many relationships: those with whom board members are economically involved are the same as those with whom they are socially linked through shared status, organizational affiliations, and social standing.

Directors must be given strong incentives to focus on shareholder interests.
Compensation arrangements for sports stars lack the features of executive pay arrangements in other ways as well. After an athlete's compensation package has been negotiated, for example, clubs have little reason to try to camouflage the amount and channel it through arrangements designed to make the bottom line less visible. While athletes are paid generously during the period of their contracts, they generally do not receive much compensation through post-retirement perks and payments or deferred-compensation arrangements that serve to obscure total pay. And when clubs get rid of poorly-performing players, they do not generally provide them with the equivalent of a golden parachute—a payout that is common practice in the business world.

Because the CEO market is not, in fact, operating like others, the presumption that it will produce efficient outcomes is unwarranted. The problem is not just one of excess pay. Flaws in the pay-setting arrangements for corporate leaders have produced arrangements that dilute or even distort incentives. For example, executives continue to enjoy broad freedom to unload options, a practice that enables executives to benefit from increases in short-term stock prices that come at the expense of long-term value.

That the market for CEOs has not been operating like other markets does not mean that regulatory intervention should be welcomed. Rather, it suggests that directors must be given strong incentives to focus on shareholder interests. Directors should be made not only more independent of executives, as recent reforms have sought to do, but also more dependent on shareholders. To make directors focus on shareholders' interests, the processes that make it difficult for shareholders to remove directors should be dismantled.

Most of the public criticism of executive pay is not an attack on the capitalist system or the operation of free markets. Rather, it reflects a concern that because boards are insufficiently accountable to shareholders, the CEO market is not operating in a way that can be expected to produce efficient outcomes. Without real reform, compensation programs in the world of business and the world of sports aren't even in the same ballpark.

About the authors:
Lucian Bebchuk, coauthor of Pay Without Performance: The Unfulfilled Promise of Executive Compensation (Harvard University Press), is on the Harvard Law School faculty. Rakesh Khurana, author of Searching for a Corporate Savior: The Irrational Quest for Charismatic CEOs (Princeton University Press), is on the Harvard Business School faculty.

Related Stories in HBS Working Knowledge
Copyright © 2006 President and Fellows of Harvard College

http://www.law.harvard.edu/faculty/bebchuk/opeds/HBSoped_CompensationGame_8-30-06.pdf

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the above article nullifies some of your article's claims....

-Ceo's can not be compared to Celebrities....celebrities do not have stockholders that receive less in profits the more they pay the CEO....if the CEO EARNS it through performance is one thing, but to earn it while not performing is another imo...

-And the Ceo Compensation that Forbes and bloomberg used does not include the CEO's total compensation package, such as Golden Parachutes and retirement plans that athletes and celebrities do NOT get as compensation in most all cases.

A few other points were made too...

Care
 
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The rise of executive pay, its defenders claim, is no more problematic than the fact that, say, Red Sox slugger Manny Ramirez is paid much more than earlier stars like Ted Williams.

But the process affecting the compensation of star athletes is quite different from the one that determines CEO compensation. A team executive negotiating with an athlete can be expected to be guided by the club's interests, while the player's agent is looking out for the client's demands. When independent buyers and sellers hammer out a transaction this way, the market's invisible hand is commonly expected to produce efficient arrangements.

But in setting executive pay, as we document in our research, directors have not been guided solely by the interests of shareholders. Instead, they have had various economic incentives, reinforced by social and psychological factors, to go along with arrangements favorable to top managers. The nature of board membership, combined with the small size of the overall director community, results in a closed culture among people who share many relationships: those with whom board members are economically involved are the same as those with whom they are socially linked through shared status, organizational affiliations, and social standing.

Directors must be given strong incentives to focus on shareholder interests.
Compensation arrangements for sports stars lack the features of executive pay arrangements in other ways as well. After an athlete's compensation package has been negotiated, for example, clubs have little reason to try to camouflage the amount and channel it through arrangements designed to make the bottom line less visible. While athletes are paid generously during the period of their contracts, they generally do not receive much compensation through post-retirement perks and payments or deferred-compensation arrangements that serve to obscure total pay. And when clubs get rid of poorly-performing players, they do not generally provide them with the equivalent of a golden parachute—a payout that is common practice in the business world.

Because the CEO market is not, in fact, operating like others, the presumption that it will produce efficient outcomes is unwarranted. The problem is not just one of excess pay. Flaws in the pay-setting arrangements for corporate leaders have produced arrangements that dilute or even distort incentives. For example, executives continue to enjoy broad freedom to unload options, a practice that enables executives to benefit from increases in short-term stock prices that come at the expense of long-term value.

That the market for CEOs has not been operating like other markets does not mean that regulatory intervention should be welcomed. Rather, it suggests that directors must be given strong incentives to focus on shareholder interests. Directors should be made not only more independent of executives, as recent reforms have sought to do, but also more dependent on shareholders. To make directors focus on shareholders' interests, the processes that make it difficult for shareholders to remove directors should be dismantled.

Most of the public criticism of executive pay is not an attack on the capitalist system or the operation of free markets. Rather, it reflects a concern that because boards are insufficiently accountable to shareholders, the CEO market is not operating in a way that can be expected to produce efficient outcomes. Without real reform, compensation programs in the world of business and the world of sports aren't even in the same ballpark.

About the authors:
Lucian Bebchuk, coauthor of Pay Without Performance: The Unfulfilled Promise of Executive Compensation (Harvard University Press), is on the Harvard Law School faculty. Rakesh Khurana, author of Searching for a Corporate Savior: The Irrational Quest for Charismatic CEOs (Princeton University Press), is on the Harvard Business School faculty.

Related Stories in HBS Working Knowledge
Copyright © 2006 President and Fellows of Harvard College

http://www.law.harvard.edu/faculty/bebchuk/opeds/HBSoped_CompensationGame_8-30-06.pdf

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the above article nullifies some of your article's claims....

-Ceo's can not be compared to Celebrities....celebrities do not have stockholders that receive less in profits the more they pay the CEO....if the CEO EARNS it through performance is one thing, but to earn it while not performing is another imo...

-And the Ceo Compensation that Forbes and bloomberg used does not include the CEO's total compensation package, such as Golden Parachutes and retirement plans that athletes and celebrities do NOT get as compensation in most all cases.

A few other points were made too...

Care

Well, lets look at it in a realistic way....CEO compensation is none of your business ...whether he does a good job or a bad job.....

Unless of course YOU are a shareholder in that particular business, then you can make you complaints known to the board of directors or sell your holdings, the it becomes none of your business again...

Some CEOs make more in 10 minutes than some American workers make in a year.

“Quite a few CEOs typically, year after year, make more in 10 minutes than some American workers make in a year.” Obama

The answer: At least $187 million —

So Obama, the hypocrite, is setting up a false impression for his followers to sway their thinking...fan the class war Democrats love so much
Actually, its an outright lie, because very very few CEOs might get close to making that much money.....and to claim that Oprah is so very different than a typical CEO is disingenuous at best....
 
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Well, lets look at it in a realistic way....CEO compensation is none of your business ...whether he does a good job or a bad job.....

Unless of course YOU are a shareholder in that particular business, then you can make you complaints known to the board of directors or sell your holdings, the it becomes none of your business again...

Some CEOs make more in 10 minutes than some American workers make in a year.

“Quite a few CEOs typically, year after year, make more in 10 minutes than some American workers make in a year.” Obama

The answer: At least $187 million —

So Obama, the hypocrite, is setting up a false impression for his followers to sway their thinking...fan the class war Democrats love so much
Actually, its an outright lie, because very very few CEOs might get close to making that much money.....and to claim that Oprah is so very different than a typical CEO is disingenuous at best....

As I said, more CEO's than what was listed make more money than their annual salary, due to perks not visibly available.

Your "attitude" is unnecessary AlphaBravoWrite...., It is the SYSTEM and the methods that need reform to make the shareholders, THE DAMN OWNERS of the company, more profitable through efficiency....the way the board members are endowed to the CEO's IS NOT the way to do it....the Board Members endowed to the Company's owners is the way to go....and there are reforms that need to take place to make ceo salaries and TOTAL compensation more visible...

I don't give a poop what Obama has said about it so you can just "take that" and put it where ever you like.... :D we have a problem that needs reform, period.

Care
 
the above article nullifies some of your article's claims....

-Ceo's can not be compared to Celebrities....celebrities do not have stockholders that receive less in profits the more they pay the CEO....if the CEO EARNS it through performance is one thing, but to earn it while not performing is another imo...

-And the Ceo Compensation that Forbes and bloomberg used does not include the CEO's total compensation package, such as Golden Parachutes and retirement plans that athletes and celebrities do NOT get as compensation in most all cases.

A few other points were made too...

Care

1) Celebrities most certainly can effect the profits available to shareholders. Whether it be a privately held organization like the NY Yankees or a publically traded company like Paramount. They, like many CEOs have many that are vastly overpaid for what they add to the bottom line.

2) Take a look at the NFL draft and the GUARANTEED money that is worked into the contracts. This is money these athletes get regardless of their performance on the field. Many Celebrities also work these types of arrangements into their contracts. Royalties on future use of film/tv show etc... as an example.

3) Athletes for certain also have access to retirement plans etc...

I would say the comparrison is accurate.

Especially when you compare CEO pay to average worker vs. Celebrity pay vs camera man pay etc...
 
1) Celebrities most certainly can effect the profits available to shareholders. Whether it be a privately held organization like the NY Yankees or a publically traded company like Paramount. They, like many CEOs have many that are vastly overpaid for what they add to the bottom line.

2) Take a look at the NFL draft and the GUARANTEED money that is worked into the contracts. This is money these athletes get regardless of their performance on the field. Many Celebrities also work these types of arrangements into their contracts. Royalties on future use of film/tv show etc... as an example.

3) Athletes for certain also have access to retirement plans etc...

I would say the comparrison is accurate.



Celebrities and athletes are the labor, not the management. Therein lies the difference.
 
Celebrities and athletes are the labor, not the management. Therein lies the difference.

Right.... those poor laborers sweating by on $15 million a year while the other poor laborer running the camera sweats by on $50k. You are right... there is no comparison.
 
Right.... those poor laborers sweating by on $15 million a year while the other poor laborer running the camera sweats by on $50k. You are right... there is no comparison.


Regardless of their income, they are the labor whereas CEOs are the management. I didn't say there was no comparison, there are many, I was merely making a distinction as to why celebrity and athlete pay is different from CEO pay.
 
Regardless of their income, they are the labor whereas CEOs are the management. I didn't say there was no comparison, there are many, I was merely making a distinction as to why celebrity and athlete pay is different from CEO pay.

The reason people complain is pay inequality. It matters not that one is management and the other is not. Do you think it makes a bit of difference to the camera man making $50k whether it is Tom Cruise making $20mm a picture or the CEO of Paramount making $20mm a year?
 
Right.... those poor laborers sweating by on $15 million a year while the other poor laborer running the camera sweats by on $50k. You are right... there is no comparison.

no, the guy running the camera is paid by the corporation or company who also is making millions off of the athlete or celebrity's labor or talent...;)

the ceo is paid with stockholder's money, money of the owners....the owners deserve a more visible picture of this reality including golden parachutes and other perks hidden in the fine print etc and choice in what the ceo's salary/compensation is.....

there is nothing hidden in the athlete's pay....if a corp owns the team, which i don't believe is the case, but if they did, the athlete's compensation is visible.

the celebrity is an entrepaneur, works for themselves in most cases...and also the movie maker, discloses what the actor got paid in full, for their work....?

and the athlete does not coerce a boardmember with a wink and a nod for their pay, they negotiate with the owners
 
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Can anyone tell me which brand of Jock itch cream they feel is better for making it go away fastest? I can't make up my mind.
 
Can anyone tell me which brand of Jock itch cream they feel is better for making it go away fastest? I can't make up my mind.


i'll bite.....lol

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Wow Care thank you so much for taking the time out to inform me about the treatments. Now I have to look and see which treatment is most expensive versus the effectiveness. That analysis should ultimately lead me to the correct conclusion as to which OTC ointment would be in my best interest.
 
Wow Care thank you so much for taking the time out to inform me about the treatments. Now I have to look and see which treatment is most expensive versus the effectiveness. That analysis should ultimately lead me to the correct conclusion as to which OTC ointment would be in my best interest.

hahahahahaha! i'll see what i can find out....give me a minute! lmao

care
 
midcan if you got smarter you'd be a tool.
CEO's are paid way to much in many cases, not all.
SHAREHOLDERS need way more say to break the country club good ole boy network of directors paying ceo's and ceo's paying directors.
Millions of salary is fine if shareholders are getting a great return and that ceo pay is competetive.
 
midcan if you got smarter you'd be a tool.
CEO's are paid way to much in many cases, not all.
SHAREHOLDERS need way more say to break the country club good ole boy network of directors paying ceo's and ceo's paying directors.
Millions of salary is fine if shareholders are getting a great return and that ceo pay is competetive.

Minus your midcan insults, that's precisely what I said...:)
 
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