Too much meddling in our government

TuTu Monroe

A Realist
This is more evidence that this country is becoming a police state where the government owns us all.

Friday, June 12, 2009 The Detroit News
'Pay czar' involves government too deeply in the management of businesses


Americans are sore at the Wall Street high rollers whose recklessness contributed to the economic collapse. So President Barack Obama's move to tame their compensation isn't likely to raise much outcry.
But even if you live far from Manhattan and earn less in a year than these Masters of the Universe do in a day, Obama's appointment of a pay czar to regulate salaries ought to trouble you. The move takes the federal government into an area where it doesn't belong.
A case might be made for the right of the administration to set limits on compensation at those financial firms that received relief funds from the Troubled Asset Relief Program. Taxpayer money shouldn't be used to lavish rich perks and paychecks on managers who've failed in their duties.



But the market is already righting itself in that area. Wall Street bonuses fell 44 percent last year, according to the New York state comptroller's office.
The administration says it wants pay packages that focus executives on long-term performance and discourage the type of risky behavior that led to the meltdown. But the White House shouldn't be setting goals for executives. That's the job of the shareholders whose money is at risk.


Obama signaled he is setting his sights beyond the securities industry and those automakers that are on taxpayer life support. He says he'll ask Congress for legislation that limits compensation across the corporate world, reflecting the view he expressed during the campaign that government should take an active hand in closing the income gap.
But even if that were a legitimate goal, the ability of the government to accomplish it is limited.
Executive talent is globally competitive. Top managers aren't likely to join companies where the government is setting salaries when they can choose foreign or privately owned companies that are beyond the White House's reach.
Pay restrictions will undermine efforts to incentivize performance. This is particularly true at financial firms, where profits depend on the willingness of executives to take reasonable risks to maximize returns.
Once the wage control door is cracked, the temptation to swing it wide open will be irresistible for those in Congress who would pander to voters by beating up on rich guys.
Justification for meddling in pay inevitably will be extended to any company that enjoys a federal tax break or gets a government contract or is under the jurisdiction of a federal agency.
Shareholders of publicly traded companies can already limit executive compensation. Obama wants to strengthen their ability to set up independent compensation committees, and that's one piece of this proposal that has merit.
Most of the best governed public companies have already established compensation committees with no ties to management.
The tight credit markets will increase the leverage of stock and bondholders, who should use it to make sure executives are working to benefit the owners of the corporation.
Companies that enrich executives at the expense of shareholders ultimately will be shunned by investors.
The responsibility for setting executive pay belongs to the owners of the company and not to a politically driven federal pay czar.

http://detnews.com/article/20090612/OPINION01/906120338/1008/opinion01/Editorial--Too-much-meddling
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Of course I do, but Obama is doing the same thing for much higher stakes.

Not higher stakes on the finiancial bailout.
I disagree with Barack on the bailout, but not the stimulus money going towards projects on infrastructure and job creation.
 
This is more evidence that this country is becoming a police state where the government owns us all.

Friday, June 12, 2009 The Detroit News
'Pay czar' involves government too deeply in the management of businesses


Americans are sore at the Wall Street high rollers whose recklessness contributed to the economic collapse. So President Barack Obama's move to tame their compensation isn't likely to raise much outcry.
But even if you live far from Manhattan and earn less in a year than these Masters of the Universe do in a day, Obama's appointment of a pay czar to regulate salaries ought to trouble you. The move takes the federal government into an area where it doesn't belong.
A case might be made for the right of the administration to set limits on compensation at those financial firms that received relief funds from the Troubled Asset Relief Program. Taxpayer money shouldn't be used to lavish rich perks and paychecks on managers who've failed in their duties.



But the market is already righting itself in that area. Wall Street bonuses fell 44 percent last year, according to the New York state comptroller's office.
The administration says it wants pay packages that focus executives on long-term performance and discourage the type of risky behavior that led to the meltdown. But the White House shouldn't be setting goals for executives. That's the job of the shareholders whose money is at risk.


Obama signaled he is setting his sights beyond the securities industry and those automakers that are on taxpayer life support. He says he'll ask Congress for legislation that limits compensation across the corporate world, reflecting the view he expressed during the campaign that government should take an active hand in closing the income gap.
But even if that were a legitimate goal, the ability of the government to accomplish it is limited.
Executive talent is globally competitive. Top managers aren't likely to join companies where the government is setting salaries when they can choose foreign or privately owned companies that are beyond the White House's reach.
Pay restrictions will undermine efforts to incentivize performance. This is particularly true at financial firms, where profits depend on the willingness of executives to take reasonable risks to maximize returns.
Once the wage control door is cracked, the temptation to swing it wide open will be irresistible for those in Congress who would pander to voters by beating up on rich guys.
Justification for meddling in pay inevitably will be extended to any company that enjoys a federal tax break or gets a government contract or is under the jurisdiction of a federal agency.
Shareholders of publicly traded companies can already limit executive compensation. Obama wants to strengthen their ability to set up independent compensation committees, and that's one piece of this proposal that has merit.
Most of the best governed public companies have already established compensation committees with no ties to management.
The tight credit markets will increase the leverage of stock and bondholders, who should use it to make sure executives are working to benefit the owners of the corporation.
Companies that enrich executives at the expense of shareholders ultimately will be shunned by investors.
The responsibility for setting executive pay belongs to the owners of the company and not to a politically driven federal pay czar.

http://detnews.com/article/20090612/OPINION01/906120338/1008/opinion01/Editorial--Too-much-meddling
Click here





Jesus Katy Christ. What a stupid article. If the Government bails your ass out they become the owners of that company and by God they DO have the right to determine what your ass gets paid JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS. Don't want the Fed telling you what your worth, well then don't go running to them for a hand out when you bankrupt your business.
 
Jesus Katy Christ. What a stupid article. If the Government bails your ass out they become the owners of that company and by God they DO have the right to determine what your ass gets paid JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS. Don't want the Fed telling you what your worth, well then don't go running to them for a hand out when you bankrupt your business.

Obviously you have a comprehension problem. Why don't you try reading the whole article instead of at the most, the first paragraph. Sheeeesh!
 
Obviously you have a comprehension problem. Why don't you try reading the whole article instead of at the most, the first paragraph. Sheeeesh!

the last part of the article.

The responsibility for setting executive pay belongs to the owners of the company and not to a politically driven federal pay czar.

And who now owns a controlling interest in AIG? And others.
As a condition of getting the money they signed on for it.
 
the last part of the article.

The responsibility for setting executive pay belongs to the owners of the company and not to a politically driven federal pay czar.

And who now owns a controlling interest in AIG? And others.
As a condition of getting the money they signed on for it.
Forget it, that's the point I was making and it went completely over her little partisan head. Ya know I wouldn't of had any problem with any of those companies going kaput if it wouldn't have tanked the whole economy. But hey, wether or not you approve of it, when your company goes to the Fed for the dole, then don't whine to me if they call the shots.

You watching this TuTu? See this (@)? It's the smallest record player in the world and it's playing "My heart pumps piss for CEO's of bail out companies!"
 
I think economic "experts" need some whacking about the head and shoulders for not seeing this coming.

I also think any company to big to let fail is a national risk and should be broken up.
 
Jesus Katy Christ. What a stupid article. If the Government bails your ass out they become the owners of that company and by God they DO have the right to determine what your ass gets paid JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS. Don't want the Fed telling you what your worth, well then don't go running to them for a hand out when you bankrupt your business.
The problem with your statement is that the government DID NOT WANT most of these companies going bankrupt. Hell many of them were classified as to big to fail. You can't say "you're too big to fail. Here's some money, take it. But now we want to run your company." Let them fail, or act as a a bank does and load the money but leave the company alone.
 
Not higher stakes on the finiancial bailout.
I disagree with Barack on the bailout, but not the stimulus money going towards projects on infrastructure and job creation.

Oh, yes, that wonderful stimulus package that no one had a chance to read. Have you read it? A good portion is not stimulus at all. No wonder Obama wanted it pushed through so quickly. Only 5% of that package has gone out the door. Is he holding the rest for his slush fund?
 
The problem with your statement is that the government DID NOT WANT most of these companies going bankrupt. Hell many of them were classified as to big to fail. You can't say "you're too big to fail. Here's some money, take it. But now we want to run your company." Let them fail, or act as a a bank does and load the money but leave the company alone.

Exactly
 
Oh, yes, that wonderful stimulus package that no one had a chance to read. Have you read it? A good portion is not stimulus at all. No wonder Obama wanted it pushed through so quickly. Only 5% of that package has gone out the door. Is he holding the rest for his slush fund?

Ohh that is right just dump hundreds of billions out the door with no checks and balances. It would be like the Iraq war with little of the money actually going where it needs to go.
How many years did it take to get body armor for all troops in Iraq? Armored vehicles?
Troops without armored vehicles watched Blackwater Mercs driving around in the latest armored vehicles.
 
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