What is hell?

[Dutch Uncle]

Thanks for your input.
I like your analogy of the expansion of the universe following a predictable mathematical pattern m

I'm not sure life is increasing randomness if one looks at it through the prism of physics.
The way understand it is that life is a low entropy feature of the universe, so life is a more orderly and less random attribute of the cosmos. You couldn't have life in a thoroughly mixed high entropy condition. So in a certain sense, life is a more orderly attribute of the overall equilibrium of the universe.

Maybe what you're taking about is the willful actions of a conscious being.

Thanks.

IMO, Life is the X factor. The big problem, as you and I have discussed before, is that we only have one example of a planet with life despite over half a century of looking for it elsewhere. Still, as shown on Earth, life alters the natural, and predictable, features of our planet. Rain falls in the mountains to form streams then rivers. Life can alter that natural process by building dams be it by beavers or humans.

One historical example is the Owens Valley in California. Now an arid region, it used to be a lush valley until the Owens river was diverted to provide water to Los Angeles in 1913. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owens_Valley#Water_diversion_to_Los_Angeles

Another example is global warming. As evidenced by NASA, there is no doubt that human industrial activities have increased the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere enough to alter the climate. There have been natural climate changes in the past, but this one is induced by life. https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/

As far as we know, the laws of physics apply equally across the Universe. The movements of everything in the Universe are not only predictable but were set in motion over 13.5B years ago. Even though there are plenty of mysteries in the Universe such as dark energy and dark matter, once understood, the motions of the Universe are predictable. The X factor is lifeforms altering those motions be it intentional, such as NASA altering the orbit of an asteroid, or unintentional such as a coral reef changing the currents off a coastline.

 

[Neoclitorus]

I think there is and it's based on the positive or negative experience experience of conscious creatures.Correct, but that doesn't mean that we, as humans who understand human suffering, can't say that it is immoral to not take care of your offspring, right? We can also say that it is immoral to kill off the weakest, despite it being acceptable to other species of animals who don't understand morality.
All morality originated with man. There's no sky wizard giving moral sirection.


Sure, so was I, but Christs are just people. Muslims are just people. If you grew up in another country, you'd probably have different views of morality because of culture, not because a different sky wizard had different rules.

wrong.

animals also cooperate for common thriving.

cooperating for common thriving is the definition of morality.

 

[Neoclitorus]

Ever hear of 'Every Man for Himself'?

this is considered a bad situation, the breakdown of morality and society when this expression is uttered.


you've become very stupid on many issues lately.