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"Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean said superdelegates should make known their choices on the Democratic nominee for president by the end of June. Ultimately, he said he believes their decisions will be based on who is more electable, rather than necessarily who has the most pledged delegates, because that is what party rules stipulate.

"This is essentially pretty close to a tie here," Dean said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"What's going to happen in the last nine primaries is there's going to be some feeling at some point that one of these candidates is more likely to win than the other and that person will get the nomination. I can't tell you who that is, I have no idea who that is, but that's what's going to happen," Dean said.
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I guess that means Obama then

I have my doubts, seems the ties between Ayers and Obama go back further and deeper than he has said. He worked for Ayers for 8 years. Lots on that today.

It appears that the media has begun to collect Wright's sermons, in their entirety and are running them in audio and transcripts, so much for being taken 'out of context.'
 
the ones I listened to were the same old fire and brimstone crap Ive heard in every church I have ever been in.
 
The question really boils down to this... Do the Democrats want a Black Man or a White Woman as President?
 
is that all they are to you?

I want the guy who will bring the most change and that is Obama who happens to be a half black ,half white, human man
 
I have my doubts, seems the ties between Ayers and Obama go back further and deeper than he has said. He worked for Ayers for 8 years. Lots on that today.

It appears that the media has begun to collect Wright's sermons, in their entirety and are running them in audio and transcripts, so much for being taken 'out of context.'

Ohhhhh, that sounds mighty ominous.

"Lots on that today" from where? Did you want to provide some info, or just start a whispering campaign?
 
Ohhhhh, that sounds mighty ominous.

"Lots on that today" from where? Did you want to provide some info, or just start a whispering campaign?

Seems the relationship with Ayers goes further back than that with Wright. It's also where Khalid became involved:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/0...illiam-ayers-follow-the-money/#comment-210962
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Here's Jeralyn's take of the above:

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/4/27/31518/4179

...I stopped by Larry Johnson's No Quarter and found his latest post on Barack Obama and Bill Ayers. We've both written about Ayers before, but we have different views of Ayers and his wife. As I've said many times, I admire the work the Ayers' have done for children and education and in trying to keep them on the right track rather than go down the wrong one. Larry tends to view Ayers as a terrorist. I don't. I also like what I know about Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dorn for how they took in Chesa Boudin and raised him while his parents were in jail for many, many years over their activities.

So Larry and I disagree a bit on which aspect of Ayers' connection to Obama is or is not a problem.

More...

I also wrote about Ayers and Obama's connections to controversial Palestinian Professor (and some say Palestinean Activist) Rashid Khalidi. That's the relationship that caused me to question how strong Obama's ties to Isreal really are.

Now Larry has a post documenting that Bill Ayers was the head of the Annenberg Challenge Grants in the mid-90's and that Barack Obama was appointed to head the Board of Directors for several years.
And, of course, they served together on the board of the Woods Funds, approving large grants to the American Arab Action Network, a project of Mrs. Khalidi.

Considering how Ayers was always an Education professor, and Obama worked with him in that regard for years on the Annenberg Challenge, it's odd that he referred to Ayers as an "English Professor" during the Philly Debate.

To make a long story short, I spent the last several hours devouring everything I could find on Ayers, the Annenberg Challenge and Obama. I only found speculation about how Obama got on that board. Was it through Ayers and Ayers' father, as Larry and others suggest, or through some other route? I found lots more on how Obama didn't do much for the board.

The Annenberg challenge was "Ayers' baby" in the sense he was in charge and Obama was picked to head the Board of Directors. And Michelle Obama and Ayers' wife, Bernadine Dorhn, were law associates at the same firm back then, Sidley Austin, a firm with ties to Bill Ayers' father Tom.

All that said, I ended up reading way more than I should have about the fight going on in Chicago in those years over the best way to run early childhood education. Ayers was on the side of small local and autonomous councils. Keep the big boys off our school plans. Obama, according to many of the articles I read, stayed above the fray and didn't get his hands dirty. So he ends up with not much of a record on his board work.

It is pretty curious that Obama called Ayers an English professor at the ABC debate when he knew from their work together at Annenberg that he was an Education Professor. Did he not want to be further connected to Ayers so he changed the name of his field from Education to English? Or did he really forget? That doesn't bother me much either.

The relevant point here is that Obama seems to be minimizing his legitimate ties to Ayers for some reason. He's spoken about being on the Annenberg Challenge Board and lists it on his resume, but he didn't mention it at the debate -- or that Ayers was intimately involved in it He also, according to many articles I've read that appeared in mainstream and professional publications, didn't do much for education while he served on them.

With No Child Left Behind being an issue in the campaign, Obama should be asked some more questions about what he did for this $50 million board?

I'd also like a journalist to research more about Obama's ties to Khalidi. There seems to be a bit of hypocrisy there where he continues to tell Jewish voters no one but him has done more to fight against anti-semitism than he has when years preceding his presidential run he was a friend to Rashid Khalidi and even gave him a testimonial at his going away dinner. Both Ayers and Khalidi held fundraisers for Obama.

In the meantime, since I don't have the answers, I'm posting Johnny Can't Read, a song off of Don Henley's first solo album (check out how young he looks.)
 
Well, I read both, even though I have heard of neither of these people before, and you are obviously on a first name basis with them.

So the guy helped write a grant and was on a board. It follows that so were a lot of other people. To claim that "Obama worked for him for 8 years" is decietful in my opinion and all you've shown me Kathi, is that you sure do wanna keep that black guy out of the white house.
 
Well, I read both, even though I have heard of neither of these people before, and you are obviously on a first name basis with them.

So the guy helped write a grant and was on a board. It follows that so were a lot of other people. To claim that "Obama worked for him for 8 years" is decietful in my opinion and all you've shown me Kathi, is that you sure do wanna keep that black guy out of the white house.

and you are not patriotic! :chesh:

Hmmm, Jerylyn Merrit is about as left as one can get, she's not one of my favs. The other, well saw a link to him today.

How is saying he 'worked for Ayers' for 8 years deceitful? I mean, when he did? :readit:
 
I find it hysterical that you'll see epic and others, on a legit news story about McCain whining, but he has got shit to say about this right wing blog bs, which is truly, nothing about nothing if you read the "story".

That is when libertarians lose their credibility with me, and it has always been when libertarians lose their credibility with me.

Anyone who read this "story" and doesn't see it for a joke, or remains quiet in its face, is helping people like Kathi, who will spread any slander to keep a black person out of the white house.
 
I find it hysterical that you'll see epic and others, on a legit news story about McCain whining, but he has got shit to say about this right wing blog bs, which is truly, nothing about nothing if you read the "story".

That is when libertarians lose their credibility with me, and it has always been when libertarians lose their credibility with me.

Anyone who read this "story" and doesn't see it for a joke, or remains quiet in its face, is helping people like Kathi, who will spread any slander to keep a black person out of the white house.

You are delusional. No slander. I am not against a black in the White House as president, rather Obama, which last I checked is within my rights as far as voting goes. Perhaps you would be happier with fascism?
 
and you are not patriotic! :chesh:

Hmmm, Jerylyn Merrit is about as left as one can get, she's not one of my favs. The other, well saw a link to him today.

How is saying he 'worked for Ayers' for 8 years deceitful? I mean, when he did? :readit:

Uh, cause he didnt:

"In 1995, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created to raise funds to help reform the Chicago public schools. One of the architects of the Challenge was none other than Professor Bill Ayers. "

That's a huge stretch. Just the kind of stretch someone determined to keep the black guy out of the white house would make.


And as for your friend who you call "Jerylyn" she might very well be a self-described dem, or self-described liberal, but "she's as left as you get"? Is that right. I guess that's why in her piece, she states "this is why I question Obama's commitment to Israel". Because oh yeah, leftists are always talking about that, and one thing you better be ready to prove to them is your "commitment to Israel". Oh wait...that's Republicans. Right.

And in case you haven't noticed, there is currently a war going on between democrats. Maybe you want to bring out James Carville next to "prove" something about Obama. Heck, why stop there, quote Bill Clinton!
 
You are delusional. No slander. I am not against a black in the White House as president, rather Obama, which last I checked is within my rights as far as voting goes. Perhaps you would be happier with fascism?

Of course you're against a black in the white house, stop being silly. You don't really think you're going to fool anyone who doesn't already wish to be fooled do you?
 
I find it hysterical that you'll see epic and others, on a legit news story about McCain whining, but he has got shit to say about this right wing blog bs, which is truly, nothing about nothing if you read the "story".

That is when libertarians lose their credibility with me, and it has always been when libertarians lose their credibility with me.

Anyone who read this "story" and doesn't see it for a joke, or remains quiet in its face, is helping people like Kathi, who will spread any slander to keep a black person out of the white house.

I'm sorry I can't be available to defend the credibility of Libertarians to you 24/7.

For your comfort: This is just as much if not considerably more of a bullshit attack attempt than the last one on McCain. Consider our credibility restored.

On the other hand, your own credibility takes a nosedive, Darla. When this same sort of slander was coming from this same poster about Ron Paul, you were happy to take it as gospel and run with it.

THIS IS WHERE LIBERALS LOSE THEIR CREDIBILITY, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN ZOMG.

Hypocrite.
 
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Of course you're against a black in the white house, stop being silly. You don't really think you're going to fool anyone who doesn't already wish to be fooled do you?

and of course you are a fascist.
 
I'm sorry I can't be available to defend the credibility of Libertarians to you 24/7.

For your comfort: This is just as much if not considerably more of a bullshit attack attempt than the last one on McCain. Consider our credibility restored.

On the other hand, your own credibility takes a nosedive, Darla. When this same sort of slander was coming from this same poster about Ron Paul, you were happy to take it as gospel and run with it.

THIS IS WHERE LIBERALS LOSE THEIR CREDIBILITY, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN ZOMG.

Hypocrite.

Really, so Obama has a newsletter saying that he doesn't regret bombing something and is claiming that he didn't really write the newsletter?

Oh, yeah, you're right, it's exactly the same thing!
 
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