when is it tyrannical enough?

the protected criminal class

There is no legal or civil recourse for innocent people framed for murder by corrupt, ambitious prosecutors. This is the position taken by respondents — including the Obama administration, 28 state governments, and “every major prosecutors organization in the country” — in a lawsuit scheduled to be heard by the Supreme Court, reports NPR.

Plaintiffs Terry Harrington and Curtis McGhee served 25 years in prison for the murder of a retired police officer in Council Bluffs, Iowa, before critical, long-buried police records were pried loose through Harrington’s persistent campaign for exoneration.

The suppressed records documented a conspiracy by police and prosecutors to suborn perjury against Harrington and McGhee while suppressing evidence that pointed at another suspect — Charles Gates.

Omaha residents Harrington and McGhee were two young black men from across the state line; Gates was a white hometown resident whose brother-in-law was a captain in the Council Bluffs Fire Department. Witnesses had seen Gates in the vicinity of the murder with a shotgun. He failed a polygraph test when questioned by the police. Yet the police let him go and focused their attention on Harrington.

The chief witness against Harrington and McGhee was a juvenile criminal named Kevin Hughes, who had originally identified two other men as the murderers. He also equivocated about the murder weapon, first identifying it as a handgun, then a 20-gauge shotgun, and finally as a 12-gauge shotgun. Hughes also failed a polygraph test. Yet his “testimony” was sufficient to indict Harrington and McGhee, and he was the star witness in the trial that resulted in a life sentence for the two men.

After the police records were uncovered in 2003, Harrington successfully petitioned the Iowa State Supreme Court to overturn his conviction. Subsequently, all of the witnesses against him recanted their perjured testimony. Harrington and McGhee (who agreed to a plea deal in exchange for time served) have filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against the prosecutors and police who framed them.

In a fashion familiar to students of the criminal sociopaths who become prosecutors, the team responsible for wrongfully sending Harrington and McGhee to prison maintain that they are guilty. They then offer a contradictory and terrifying defense: Even if they did frame those innocent men, “prosecutors, under established Supreme Court precedent, have total immunity from being sued,” summarizes NPR.

It should surprise nobody that the Supreme Court has confected a doctrine of plenary immunity for prosecutors, who cannot be sued for anything they do at trial — such as lying, concealing evidence, suborning perjury from the witness stand, and the other familiar tactics found in the arsenal of every government-employed lawyer.

Stephen Sanders, the attorney for the respondents in the lawsuit, insists that there is “no freestanding constitutional right not to be framed.” Even when prosecutors file charges they know are false and malicious, “that’s an absolutely immunized activity,” he claims.

Harrington and McGhee maintain that the courtroom immunity claimed by prosecutors does not extend to the investigative phase of this case, which is where the conspiracy to frame the plaintiffs was enacted. Former Solicitor General Paul Clement, who represents the wrongfully imprisoned men, notes that the relevant precedents all apply after an indictment has been filed.

If Harrington and McGhee prevail in this case, it will be an ironic and bitter victory, since it will simply ratify something rational people should consider obvious — namely, that prosecutors shouldn’t engage in criminal conspiracies for the purpose of imprisoning innocent people.

Immunizing prosecutors against such crimes is entirely typical of the culture of corrupt impunity that has enveloped the “justice” system.

Here’s another illustration: Just days ago a federal appeals court ruled that Canadian citizen Maher Arar, who was unjustly detained by the federal government at JFK airport and then sent to Syria to be tortured for nearly a year, has no legal or civil recourse against the officials responsible for his suffering.

Consider as well that in a dissenting opinion written just a few months ago Supreme Court “Justice” Antonin Scalia made the remarkable claim that there is no constitutional prohibition against executing a wrongfully convicted individual: “This court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a court that he is ‘actually’ innocent.

The people operating the government’s apparatus of prosecution, imprisonment, torture, and official murder are a specially protected criminal class far more threatening than their private sector competition.

so someone tell me that if the courts are no longer interested in justice and fulfilling their role as designed by the constitution, why shouldn't we just start killing them all WHEN they come for us?
 
What the heck does the Right to a FAIR trial mean, if it doesn't mean that the system can be sued for redress and that prosecutors can go to jail and lose their jobs for purposefully prosecuting the wrong people?
 
What the heck does the Right to a FAIR trial mean, if it doesn't mean that the system can be sued for redress and that prosecutors can go to jail and lose their jobs for purposefully prosecuting the wrong people?

I could point out dozens of cases where the government denies what used to be basic concepts of fair trials and the judges uphold them. The Olofson case is just one, where the ATF and prosecutor filed a motion to keep the defense expert witness from hearing the ATF experts testimony, thereby providing nothing for the defense team to be able to rebut, and the judge said ok.
 
I could point out dozens of cases where the government denies what used to be basic concepts of fair trials and the judges uphold them. The Olofson case is just one, where the ATF and prosecutor filed a motion to keep the defense expert witness from hearing the ATF experts testimony, thereby providing nothing for the defense team to be able to rebut, and the judge said ok.
And yet we meekly sit, and allow this travesty to continue. Our most basic rights are under attack and we simply accept it.
 
And yet we meekly sit, and allow this travesty to continue. Our most basic rights are under attack and we simply accept it.

most accept it because it hasn't affected them directly. most people don't care if a guy gets railroaded and sent to prison. they only care when THEY get railroaded and sent to prison.
 
Yeah, clearly only "rednecks" care about the rights of those wrongly prosecuted...

:rolleyes:

Thanks for your contribution.

The implication is the SAME one STY always makes -- that he's just " " this close to picking up his gun and bottle with "XXX" on the label and march on Washington DC with his three percenter buddies.

The redneck revolution is upon us.
 
The implication is the SAME one STY always makes -- that he's just " " this close to picking up his gun and bottle with "XXX" on the label and march on Washington DC with his three percenter buddies.

The redneck revolution is upon us.

You've failed to answer the question, or provide a better alternative.
 
lets rehash, that the government is never prosecuted or held accountable for violations of the law that they would send a civilian to prison for, even if they intentionally violated said law.

http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Wis-agent-Colleagues-improperly-modified-guns-5211601.php

A former state Department of Justice drug agent accused his colleagues last year of illegally modifying their state-issued rifles, according to emails the agency released Thursday.

The Associated Press obtained the emails through an open records request for materials related to former Division of Criminal Investigation Special Agent Dan Bethards. DOJ fired Bethards in October after he accused his supervisor of weapons violations.

Bethards wrote in a January 2013 email to DCI Administrator Dave Matthews that multiple agents were shortening the barrels on their state-issued and personal rifles without registering the modifications with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Bethards didn't name any agents but alleged multiple agents were guilty of federal felonies.

DOJ spokeswoman Dana Brueck said the ATF investigated the allegations and determined one weapon had been improperly modified. The gun was reconfigured to conform with ATF regulations and no one was disciplined, she said.

"The facts in this matter convinced us (the) agent had acted in 'good faith' and inadvertently violated compliance regulations," Brueck said. "We brought the matter to the ATF's attention, and it was immediately remedied."

DOJ officials also told the agency's firearms instructor and SWAT team leaders to be certain that weapon changes comply with federal regulations and to consult with ATF on modifications, Brueck said.

Bethards said in a text to the AP that he was surprised ATF let the violation go without charges.

"I wonder if Joe Citizen would get that same opportunity?" he wrote.
 
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