zappasguitar
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Still waiting on an explanation.
How will allowing two men or two women to stand together and proclaim their love for one another do that, precisely?
Defense Of Marriage Act Ruled Unconstitutional By Second Federal Judge
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Still waiting on an explanation.
How will allowing two men or two women to stand together and proclaim their love for one another do that, precisely?
As a Christian, you aren't familiar with the verses?
Okay, I will do your work for you...
In Luke 16:18 Jesus says:
Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.
Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.
I think you already know that answer, Zappa. You've been around the block. I'm sure you've dueled with religious folk on this subject, countless times. What's your objective here? Perhaps you're just trying to lay a trap of some sort; maybe catch me in my own words. Are you trying to dig a hole for me Zappster?
I agree with you Zap......2 men or 2 women can stand together all day and all night and proclaim anything their sick hearts desire....and it won't affect the
union of marriage one iota......
Yet its only the Catholics that still have this as doctrine......no wonder there are so many Protest-ents that went their own ways.....
You don't read the scriptures very much, do you? I mean you don't read them for personal edification, do you?
The Lord is referring to those who don't take their marriage covenants seriously; they become "hardened". They are the ones who commit adultery when they go forward with divorce. Matt 19:7-8 goes into further detail.
Why did you not list the 9th verse?
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
If your wife hasn't slept around with somebody else, you don't get to divorce her then remarry without breaking your covenant with the Lord, at least according to Jesus who seems to be an expert on your religion.
Apparently, I am much more acquainted with scripture than are you, because I know this is not what Jesus said in Matthew.
Yes, they are referred to as Cafeteria Christians, they pick and choose which verses they will adhere to and which they will not practice, very convenient.
Verse 8 covers the "hardness of hearts". For example: Let's say you are faithful in your covenants to God, but your spouse steps up and says screw this, I'm tired of following God. Once this happens, it causes a rift within your marriage. But let's say you remain faithful, pray for your spouse, do all you can to save the marriage, but your spouse just won't have any of it. In that case, your spouse has hardened his/her heart toward God. Your marriage then becomes impossible, because your spouse has kicked God & his covenents to the curb. In that case, you can divorce.
I should add that usually when someone follows this course, there's another woman or man involved, so yeah, I'd say your assessment is applicable.
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Rana, stop trying to dictate to me what I'm staring at, even as I type this response. Copy and paste Matt 19:7-8 and we will discuss.
zappasguitar
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I'm sorry, when did Christians begin to pick and choose which rules in Bible they will and will not follow?
Many years ago......is there other sects of Protestantism that prohibits divorce...?.....
religious beliefs just ain't my thing.....
No, you have it completely wrong. I am all for you spouting off with your nonsense whenever you see fit. It's much more important for you to be loud and clear in order for people to discern the sane people from the religious, sanctimonious nutjob assholes.
And no, your 'respect' has zero value to me, so don't worry about that.
Jesus was saying that Moses allowed this and why (their hearts were hardened, all of them, but He had come and they no longer are), then (next verse, same breath even) He included why it was no longer allowed and told his followers directly that the only reason you could divorce and remarry is if your spouse was sexually immoral (cheated on you, jacked off to porn, etc.).
They then asked if they should marry at all. His answer was that some people can do this (not marry) and remain without sin (remember the though is as much sin as the deed, unmarried men are often lustful towards others wives, etc.), but most could not.
Basically that is a synopsis of what he said in this part of that chapter.
You take one verse out of context, apply meaning that he was not saying (in fact it is almost opposite), and tells you that the only reason you could divorce and remarry without committing adultery is if your spouse is sexually immoral.
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No, I pretty much hit it right on the head. What do you have to give, Bijou? Please prove you people are more than just a drain on this country.
You have no idea who I am, what I do or where I invest my energy, time and money. You're a sanctimonious, arrogant asshole masquerading as a 'Christian' and guess how much weight your opinion carries?
I'm going to disagree with you afterall. "Hardness of heart" covers a lot more than just sexual immorality. If your spouse becomes a convicted felon for murder, grand larceny or any other major crime, then that's certainly grounds for divorce.
I know your political standing, Beejie, which is very telling. What more could I possibly need to know, than what is already known? You truly have nothing to give, Bijou. I'm sorry you had to hear this from me.
And my opinion, at the very least, carries as much weight as yours.
