Is America so bad?

In this, the promise of America is not freedom and equality, but rather liberty and equal opportunity and justice under law.

^ nemo makes an excellent point ^
 
Yurt said:
many liberals would have you believe so. they would have you believe we are ruled by some so called 1%.

if america is that tyrannical...why are so many doing everything they can to get there? from all over the world.

this is where liberalism and i part ways. this country has flaws. no doubt. but what you mostly hear from the left is how horrible this country is. i can't even recall a positive thread started by a liberal on this board about this country. it is virtually the same with the news. though...cnn...has became far more neutral than a few years ago.

i don't mind raising taxes on those making over 500K. the wealthy do have greater influence over government. as do corporations and unions. can you find me a government where this doesn't exist?

can you find me a government where all men are "equal"?
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America is the most dangerous nation on the planet .. and you don't have to look very far for proof of that. We mass-murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis FOR PROFIT .. and just because we could.

We are currently droning planet earth and murdering countless innocent people .. which includes women and children. Proof that the letter behind the name of the US President makes no difference.

We are engaged in perpetual wars for profit .. with more on the horizon.

Is America bad depends on one's perspective.

Are we dangerous warmongers is without question.
 
It might be better to ask, are we getting closer to the ideals that America is supposed to represent, or further away?

I don't think there is any question it's the latter. Nor do I doubt the patriotism of most who criticize the actions the gov't takes that move us further away from our ideals.
 
blackascoal said:
America is the most dangerous nation on the planet .. and you don't have to look very far for proof of that. We mass-murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis FOR PROFIT .. and just because we could.

We are currently droning planet earth and murdering countless innocent people .. which includes women and children. Proof that the letter behind the name of the US President makes no difference.

We are engaged in perpetual wars for profit .. with more on the horizon.

Is America bad depends on one's perspective.

Are we dangerous warmongers is without question.
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wow.....all these "wars for profit" and we haven't gain a sq. mile of land, and we're 16 trillion dollars in debt.....and I still wash my own car, no slaves or servants...

and 'mass murdered' hundreds of thousands of Iraqis ?.......what a crock...

Were you committed somewhere in your absence or just in rehab........????

Where ever it was, I see the Koolade was in plentiful supply....
 
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Onceler said:
It might be better to ask, are we getting closer to the ideals that America is supposed to represent, or further away?

I don't think there is any question it's the latter. Nor do I doubt the patriotism of most who criticize the actions the gov't takes that move us further away from our ideals.
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Other than 'freedom and justice" for all our citizens.....what ideals are supposed to represent ? and who said so ?
 
bravo said:
Other than 'freedom and justice" for all our citizens.....what ideals are supposed to represent ? and who said so ?
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You have such lofty goals for America.

I think most would agree that wars for profit, installing and supporting dictators, letting corporations buy elections & write legislation, etc., are not actions that are consistent with the founders' vision of America, or the standards that most Americans (yourself not included) have for our country...
 
bravo said:
wow.....all these "wars for profit" and we haven't gain a sq. mile of land, and we're 16 trillion dollars in debt.....and I still wash my own car, no slaves or servants...

and 'mass murdered' hundreds of thousands of Iraqis ?.......what a crock...

Were you committed somewhere in your absence or just in rehab........????

Where ever it was, I see the Koolade was in plentiful supply....
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:0) I love you too brother.

Tell me that in my absence you picked up a book .. a newspaper .. or listened to something other than Faux News. :0) It doesn't appear that you've done any of that.

Are you of the opinion that we fight wars to make your life better .. or to get you some slaves? :0)

NEWSFLASH: Western energy and defence corporations made more money than any corporations in US history during the Iraq War. I guess that is news to you.

Yes, we mass-murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people for-profit. I guess you thought it was about WMD. :0)

Sorry if truth conflicts with the John Wayne movie that constantly plays in your head. :0)

We did the same thing in Libya under Obama .. so Bush is off the hook if that's your concern.

By the way .. China walked off with the best oil contracts in Iraq .. AND has already walked off with the mineral contracts in Afghanistan.

Bad time for cowboys.
 
blackascoal said:
:0) I love you too brother.

Tell me that in my absence you picked up a book .. a newspaper .. or listened to something other than Faux News. :0) It doesn't appear that you've done any of that.

Fox for the news...MSNBC for laughs....Good to have you back, bro.

Are you of the opinion that we fight wars to make your life better .. or to get you some slaves? :0)

Well, "we" haven't fought a war in some time to make my (or your) life any better.....we've fought a few skirmishes to better the lives of others almost
exclusively....South Koreans, Bosnian, Iraqis, etc......... and some in retaliation for murdering US civilians....AQ for example
Vietnam was our biggest mistake....but then we never claimed to be perfect....sometimes we elect the wrong leaders....


NEWSFLASH: Western energy and defence corporations made more money than any corporations in US history during the Iraq War. I guess that is news to you.

That could be....but its irrelevant and not the reason for the battles in the first place...

Yes, we mass-murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people for-profit. I guess you thought it was about WMD. :0)

Hundreds of thousands....? Thats just nonsense....the Iraq War was over in 21 days, not even enough time to kill more than a few....and with bombs made of concrete yet....?

Sorry if truth conflicts with the John Wayne movie that constantly plays in your head. :0)

We did the same thing in Libya under Obama .. so Bush is off the hook if that's your concern.

I don't know what the hell Obama was doing in Lybia......gotta give you that one....but I'd bet casualties were minor by any measurement....

By the way .. China walked off with the best oil contracts in Iraq .. AND has already walked off with the mineral contracts in Afghanistan.

Bad time for cowboys.
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China and oil ?.....just proves my point and disproves your contention, we don't go to war for profit though there are always some that will find a way to make money .... but never the US government

Peace Bro.
 
bravo said:
lol.......thats so typical of your rebuttals.......nothing followed by nothing
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Gulf War I was "about jobs," according to James Baker.

The 2nd time around was one of the longest & most destructive conflicts in recent history, lasting almost 9 years, killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions.

To suggest that we would have done either if there was no oil in the Middle East is incomprehensible.

To call either a "skirmish" is laughable.

Like you, bravs. Like you.
 
Onceler said:
Gulf War I was "about jobs," according to James Baker.

The 2nd time around was one of the longest & most destructive conflicts in recent history, lasting almost 9 years, killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions.

To suggest that we would have done either if there was no oil in the Middle East is incomprehensible.

To call either a "skirmish" is laughable.

Like you, bravs. Like you.
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Lets start here.....Gulf War I was "about jobs," according to James Baker.

We are talking about Saddams invasion of Kuwait and threat to Saudi Arabia (a US Ally)....
so ....in what respect was the G war about jobs ?.....elaborate
 
Onceler said:
Gulf War I was "about jobs," according to James Baker.

The 2nd time around was one of the longest & most destructive conflicts in recent history, lasting almost 9 years, killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions.

To suggest that we would have done either if there was no oil in the Middle East is incomprehensible.

To call either a "skirmish" is laughable.

Like you, bravs. Like you.
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Next.....The 2nd time around was one of the longest & most destructive conflicts in recent history, lasting almost 9 years, killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions.?


The Iraqi war was over in 21 days, Saddam was out, Iraq was no longer capable of waging war after 3 weeks.....
the occupation lasted longer and the killing of US soldiers and Iraqi citizens was caused by different factions of Iraqis and outsiders.....not by US soldiers....

Gulf war I was to remove Saddam from Kuwait and remove any threat by Saddam to an ally, namely Saudi Arabia....not directly about oil for the US but to prevent Saddam
from being the one in sole possession of all the oil in the region.....not hardly about jobs for anyone.....
We manufacture planes, guns, missiles, etc. war or no war........it makes no difference

and really pinhead.....skirmish ?.....do you know what facetious means...

Now lets hear your version of history and the big bad bully we call the USA
 
bravo said:
Lets start here.....Gulf War I was "about jobs," according to James Baker.

We are talking about Saddams invasion of Kuwait and threat to Saudi Arabia (a US Ally)....
so ....in what respect was the G war about jobs ?.....elaborate
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James Baker's words, bravs. Oil = jobs.

You're so naive, and so stupid.
 
Onceler said:
Gulf War I was "about jobs," according to James Baker.

The 2nd time around was one of the longest & most destructive conflicts in recent history, lasting almost 9 years, killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions.

To suggest that we would have done either if there was no oil in the Middle East is incomprehensible.

To call either a "skirmish" is laughable.

Like you, bravs. Like you.
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hundreds of thousands....good lord you are fucking idiot hack
 
Yurt said:
hundreds of thousands....good lord you are fucking idiot hack
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Hundreds of thousands died in Iraq, Yurt. I'm talking about Iraqis too, btw. Check the red cross stats.

Funny that you had no problem w/ the "skirmish" characterization.
 
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