Mandate UPHELD!

It is whatever is convenient to say, The Dem's stayed away from using "tax", though it was argued(solicitor General) it was/could be a tax before SCOTUS.
Prior it was not a tax, now it is. presto chango. I just want clarity, so what's next? The Commerce Clause hyperextension is clipped. great.

But now we got new taxes. Which begs the question "by what other means will Federal taxes be created?

Since it doesn't SEEM to need to originate in the HOuse ( legitimate argument's on proceedure) Congress has found a whole new way to make a new tax.

Thru reconcilliation.
 
It is whatever is convenient to say, The Dem's stayed away from using "tax", though it was argued(solicitor General) it was/could be a tax before SCOTUS.
Prior it was not a tax, now it is. presto chango. I just want clarity, so what's next? The Commerce Clause hyperextension is clipped. great.

But now we got new taxes. Which begs the question "by what other means will Federal taxes be created?

Since it doesn't SEEM to need to originate in the HOuse ( legitimate argument's on proceedure) Congress has found a whole new way to make a new tax.

Thru reconcilliation.

And when the taxes are determined to not be enough to cover what it's supposed to; what do you think the Feds will do with the tax?
They're going to make a determination that they need to RAISE THE TAX.
 
Dude!!
That knife you're using, to split hairs, is really sharp.
Where can I get one? :D

So is a tax on higher income a punishment for making more money or is it a tax?
Is a cigerette tax a punishment for smoking or is it simply a tax?
Is property tax a punishment for owning property or is it simply a tax?
Is hotel tax a punishment for staying in a hotel or is it a tax?
 
Justice Roberts, who would have thought?

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So is a tax on higher income a punishment for making more money or is it a tax?
Is a cigerette tax a punishment for smoking or is it simply a tax?
Is property tax a punishment for owning property or is it simply a tax?
Is hotel tax a punishment for staying in a hotel or is it a tax?

Yes; you are being punished by having to pay the tax
No one is forcing you to smoke
No one is forcing you to own property
No one is forcing you to stay at a hotel.


Major fail on your attempt to prove a point. :palm:
 
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...individual_mandate_is_enforceable.single.html

I bookmarked that page because I knew this was going to come up. But I kinda hope they find a way to put yurt in prison anyway.

(Excerpt) Since only people who earn income above the filing limit and for whom health insurance premiums are less than 8% of income are covered by the penalty, I would expect that most of the people who might get hit by the penalty will be independent contractors and self-employed individuals—farmers, ranchers, lawyers, accountants, movie script writers, consultants, etc. Most of these people have complicated taxes and probably will 1.) want health insurance, and 2.) prefer to keep their heads down with the IRS. If you are filing a hundred-page tax return, the last thing you want to do is to throw up a red flag in the face of the IRS.[/QUOTE]

To use an analogy let's say the tax payer is a husband and the IRS is the wife. While the husband does not have to put the garbage out or cut the lawn we can rest assured he will eventually be persuaded to do so. ;)
 
Like I previously said.... It is not a punishment but a tax if you dont buy health care.
YOU said it was a tax?! I just listened to a 10 minute montage of "progressives" calling this thing a PENALTY or a FINE! Calling it anything BUT a tax!! George Stephenopolis actually READ THE DEFINITION OF "TAX" OUT OF THE DICTIONARY, AND OBAMA HIMSELF STILL DENIED IT WAS A TAX!!! Bottom line? Obama LIED to every American, but it was the stupid "progressives" (of both parties)that fell for it. I'm reminded of a story I heard about a worried Ted Kennedy approaching LBJ for advice about getting the original medicare bill passed. LBJ patted him on the shoulder and said, "Teddy, the secret to getting that bill passed is simple: DON'T TELL THEM HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST" Obama is just carrying on a long democrat tradition. Obama lied, LIBERTY died!
 
(Originally Posted by Jarod)
So is a tax on higher income a punishment for making more money or is it a tax?
Is a cigerette tax a punishment for smoking or is it simply a tax?
Is property tax a punishment for owning property or is it simply a tax?
Is hotel tax a punishment for staying in a hotel or is it a tax?

Yes; you are being punished by having to pay the tax
No one is forcing you to smoke
No one is forcing you to own property
No one is forcing you to stay at a hotel.

Major fail on your attempt to prove a point. :palm:

And no one is forcing you to make more money.

Major fail on your attempt to prove a point. :palm:
 
Yes; you are being punished by having to pay the tax
No one is forcing you to smoke
No one is forcing you to own property
No one is forcing you to stay at a hotel.


Major fail on your attempt to prove a point. :palm:

Noone is forcing you to earn more money!

In fact noone is forcing you to earn any money at all.
 
I belive its about personal responsability... If you fail to get insurance, therby costing taxpayers money.... You have to pay more taxes.
 
And no one is forcing you to make more money.

Major fail on your attempt to prove a point. :palm:

Making as much money as you can is a constitutional right.....and you should not be penilzed for exercising a constitutional right.

So its a major fail on your attempt to prove a pointless point.
 
I belive its about personal responsability... If you fail to get insurance, therby costing taxpayers money.... You have to pay more taxes.

As a lawyer of dubious intelligence, do you think its ok for the SC to legislate from the bench.....and give it blessing to a law, duly voted on that was now shown to be fraudulent...that is, there was no tax in the bill that was voted on.....
 
As a lawyer of dubious intelligence, do you think its ok for the SC to legislate from the bench.....and give it blessing to a law, duly voted on that was now shown to be fraudulent...that is, there was no tax in the bill that was voted on.....

Hey, when & where are you going to set yourself on fire in protest? We're going to need to know who to look out for though. Maybe we can get damo to send you a jpp t-shirt to wear or something.
 
Hey, when & where are you going to set yourself on fire in protest? We're going to need to know who to look out for though. Maybe we can get damo to send you a jpp t-shirt to wear or something.

Tiana I don't want to follow you around all googly eyed and act towards you the way superfreak acts towards me, but damn I miss you here! I just laughed so hard reading this. The jpp tshirt is a genius touch.
 
Can you imagine Damo getting all excited?

"Yeah we made CNN! Oh yeah, too bad about bravo huh? Anyway did you see that close up of the jpp logo just before he started screaming "wait I changed my mind!!!"?
 
YOU said it was a tax?! I just listened to a 10 minute montage of "progressives" calling this thing a PENALTY or a FINE! Calling it anything BUT a tax!! George Stephenopolis actually READ THE DEFINITION OF "TAX" OUT OF THE DICTIONARY, AND OBAMA HIMSELF STILL DENIED IT WAS A TAX!!! Bottom line? Obama LIED to every American, but it was the stupid "progressives" (of both parties)that fell for it. I'm reminded of a story I heard about a worried Ted Kennedy approaching LBJ for advice about getting the original medicare bill passed. LBJ patted him on the shoulder and said, "Teddy, the secret to getting that bill passed is simple: DON'T TELL THEM HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST" Obama is just carrying on a long democrat tradition. Obama lied, LIBERTY died!

I love how angery the wack jobs are today.
 
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