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And after all that typing, it still has no funding.![]()
Be patient. Once the Repubs and their T-Bag groupies go home next January the adults will quickly find a solution.
And after all that typing, it still has no funding.![]()
the Republicans did vote on a budget.....and passed it.....
You need to brush up on how government works in the US. I am not sure about Canada, I'll admit, I don't really know how things work there... but in the US, the government doesn't have any money... in fact, they currently owe other governments $15 trillion and counting. Now, each year, the government is supposed to decide where and how the money collected from taxes are distributed, and pretty much all of that is already spoken for. In fact, not since Clinton, has the government actually had money left over, they generally overspend by several hundred billion... Obama & Co. have overspent each year by closer to $1 trillion (average).
You see, we can't "think of the government as the average Joe" because the government doesn't go to work and make a living like the average Joe. The government is more like the average Joe who is on welfare, and who gets a certain fixed amount of money given to him by the people. But here lately Welfare Joe has gone out and bought a new car, a new boat, new jet skis, one of those ATV things, a giant plasma screen TV, and maxed out all his credit cards. The measly little amount of 'welfare' he gets from the people in the form of taxes, is barely enough to pay the interest on all this shit, but he just keeps on buying more and more stuff, because his brain is controlled by liberal democrats.
Obamacare was not funded by Congress when it was approved. If it had been, it would have cost us about $10 trillion up front. I think we would have heard something about that, since we are already $15 trillion in debt. I can't imagine ANY Congressman approving such an expenditure, even IF we had the money to spend, which we don't. A considerable portion of the initial implementation, was funded with a $600 billion transfer from Medicare, which now has to be returned, according to SCOTUS. Another large chunk of the cost regarding implementation, was mandated to the States, who were ordered to pay for it out of their state Medicare funds. The court also ruled this was unconstitutional. So at this point, here is what you have:
A SCOTUS ruling that you CAN implement the individual mandate to purchase insurance or levy a fine, under the Feds ability to tax. That takes care of getting everyone on insurance... I don't know of a single Republican who is opposed to people buying their own insurance. Granted, it would be nice if we had the option to NOT do it... and I think that is encroaching our freedoms, but that's what the court has ruled. I can live with it being the law that every person has to be responsible and carry health insurance, or pay a fine if they don't. But now... THAT is NOT what Obamacare sought to do, was it?
You see... the "problem" is going to be the millions who can't afford to buy insurance. Someone will have to pick up the tab for them, and we don't have passage of any kind of a tax bill to remedy that. In order for Congress to do this, a special tax will have to be voted on and passed by supermajority in both houses, and signed by the president. The court has already told us, we can't take money out of something else to pay for this... so the only way to do it, is to introduce some legislation and put it to a vote. I don't think you are going to have the votes to pass ANY tax increase.
Well, sure. Anyone can draw up a silly budget. Weren't they told before they even submitted it to the Senate that is was silly?
it got more support than Obama's budget....and the Dems in the Senate didn't even try.....
Are you going to admit your mistake?
Dixturd?
Are you running, or going to come back and spin in more circles... or man up and admit your mistake/lie...?
Yah, well.. unfortunately, not everyone will be able to afford it. Insurance cost has risen about 30% since Obamacare passed, and that was BEFORE the SCOTUS mandated that every single American purchase it. Now that insurance companies have something that everyone has to buy, you can expect the rates to increase... especially since they will now be covering all the pre-existing illnesses out there, and 'children' until they are 26.
That's not what the sulu perms court said and you have failed in my challange to find any quote that supports what you are claiming. You are a fool!Lie? Mistake? Where has that happened? You think because you are clever enough to find the portion of the ruling where Roberts deems the mandate a tax, it's some refutation of what I've said? I never argued that the mandate WASN'T a tax or that the SCOTUS didn't rule as such. Tom keeps trying to claim it's not a tax, perhaps you meant to post that for him? I'm clear on the matter, I understand Roberts found the mandate to be a tax. In addition to also finding the government has no authority to impose this program, except under Congressional ability to tax. If you can find where he states they have some OTHER constitutional authority, then by all means, please present that here! I promise I won't run away or spin it... although, I can't help the fact that you are spinning so fast that everything around you appears to also be spinning... that's a personal problem you have to deal with.
How can the government cut costs if it can't take money from things? I'm not following your argument. If the government decides to cut a dollar from the military why can't it use that dollar towards ObamaCare?
That's not what the sulu perms court said and you have failed in my challange to find any quote that supports what you are claiming. You are a fool!
that's what the 'exchanges' were for.. but too many con govs aren't going to allow those exchanges... so chalk up another clusterfuck to Republican leadership..
that's also what the 'expanded medicaid' was for because it's cheaper to cover a person thru medicaid than it is to subsidize the private insurance exchanges.. but since it was knocked down and the Con states are having tantrums over the exchanges, the costs will rise and people will get screwed..
so the happy dance Con's are doing for their 'win' from SCOTUS..is really a happy dance that people are going to get screwed..
but that's ok.. a cpl years of this and we'll usher in single-payer since it will be one option left to truly fix healthcare..
but in the mean time, wish people would really 'get' what the Cons are doing to them and how happy they are to be doing it..
so I guess the real question should be, how do you feel about the Republicans fucking you and celebrating that coital action? and why in the hell would you keep voting for them?
Sulu Perms Court? WTF is that? The guy from Star Trek gives perms to people who sit on a court???
Challenge??? All you have done, is pick up a small piece of the SCOTUS ruling, and try to use it to prove that's all the court ruled on. That's just simply not the truth here, and everyone who isn't a retarded moron, understands that. The court ruled Congress does not have the authority to implement this program under the commerce clause, which means, the mandate and penalty can't fall under the commerce clause. It has to be a TAX in order to be constitutional, but so does the general funding of the program itself. That's the part you are missing here. Granted, the mandate and penalty most directly effect us as taxpayers, but the cost of the program also effects us as well.
You cant find any portion of the Supreme court ruling that supports your outlandish position, a position you are ALONE WITH. Not even Romney himself supports.
I don't know without looking it up which I'm sure you are perfectly capable of doing as well.