The GOP doesn't have a HC plan

Mott the Hoople

Mott the Hoople

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This video with McConnell says it all. Their opposition with the Affordable Care Act, which primarily uses conservative developled concepts, of the insurance mandate and heath care exchanges. When pressed with "Ok, what will you replace it with?" They can't answer.

The answer is that Republican opposition to the ACA is purely political opposition to anything this administration attempts to accomplish. It's all about partisan politics and being mouth pieces for the insurance industry and has nothing to do with what's best for the American people. If Republican opponents truly believed they have a better way, they would have a plan in place to replace the ACA, right?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...e_to_outline_gop_health_care_alternative.html
 
That's the point I made earlier when I posted this:


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Among Congressional Republicans, the decision was made early not only to oppose the White House’s health care push, but to offer almost nothing in the way of policy alternatives.


There was no meaningful Republican plan for reform during the heat of the original debate, and for all the notional talk about repealing and replacing, much the same void exists today.


Individual conservative politicians and policy wonks have plans, but the party leadership has deemed it too risky to counter the Democratic legislation with anything save boilerplate.


Paul Ryan has personally proposed a health care alternative, but his House budgets have conspicuously lacked one.


This “just say no” approach made a certain amount of political sense, for many of the same reasons the White House’s “all in” approach turned out to be so politically risky.


But it left the Republicans with no leverage on policy: they had nothing to offer wavering Congressional Democrats (from Ben Nelson to Bart Stupak) who had problems with the legislation but wanted to vote for some kind of reform, and they had nothing substantial to put forward when Scott Brown’s victory seemed as if it might force the White House back to the negotiating table.



As a result, now that the bill has been passed and the Supreme Court has declined to do their work for them, the Republicans are left to thread a very narrow needle.


First they need to take the Senate as well as the White House, and then they need to find a way to pass a party-line repeal bill while lacking any clear consensus on a replacement.


Otherwise they will have combined a political victory with a once-in-a-generation policy defeat.



Neither the victory nor the defeat is inevitable: there’s still time for Mitt Romney to lead his party to some kind of consensus on a health care alternative...



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/opinion/sunday/the-price-of-health-care.html
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And this:


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And this:


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Fox News’s Chris Wallace asked Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) this important question on Fox News Sunday today and the senior senator from Kentucky had no answer.

After McConnell meandered through the typical GOP talking points that they plan to allow the sale of health insurance across state lines and that they will institute medical malpractice reform, he finally settled on an answer:

Insuring Americans “is not the issue”:



WALLACE: One of the keys to ObamaCare is that it will extend insurance access to 30 million people who are now uninsured. In your replacement, how would you provide universal coverage?


MCCONNELL: Well first let me say the first single thing we can do for the American system is get rid of ObamaCare. … The single biggest direction we can take in terms of improving health care is to get rid of this monstrosity.


WALLACE: But you’re talking about repealing and replace, how would you provide universal coverage?


MCCONNELL: I’ll get to it in a minute.


WALLACE: I just want to ask, what specifically are you going to do to provide universal coverage to the 30 million people who are uninsured?


MCCONNELL: That is not the issue.



http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/07/01/509277/mcconnell-obamacare-insure-americans/?mobile=nc

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And this:

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Is this the GOP's intention?

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misleading and dishonest thread. the link is about universal coverage....not just healthcare as dishonest derpshire would have you believe.
 
Derp Derp said:
This video with McConnell says it all. Their opposition with the Affordable Care Act, which primarily uses conservative developled concepts, of the insurance mandate and heath care exchanges. When pressed with "Ok, what will you replace it with?" They can't answer.

The answer is that Republican opposition to the ACA is purely political opposition to anything this administration attempts to accomplish. It's all about partisan politics and being mouth pieces for the insurance industry and has nothing to do with what's best for the American people. If Republican opponents truly believed they have a better way, they would have a plan in place to replace the ACA, right?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...e_to_outline_gop_health_care_alternative.html
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They don't have one because they just don't care. I don't know for sure, but do millionaires really have insurance? Can't they just barter? I recall (and hopefully ekg will have the link) a conversation last year about a rich republican proposing poor people do just that.
 
Howey said:
They don't have one because they just don't care. I don't know for sure, but do millionaires really have insurance? Can't they just barter? I recall (and hopefully ekg will have the link) a conversation last year about a rich republican proposing poor people do just that.
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Senate candidate Sue Lowden



Sue Lowden, the Republican front-runner to unseat Sen. Harry Reid, extolled the virtues of "bartering" for health care.

Lowden was recently the subject of late-night humor after saying health care costs would be lowered if health consumers paid with cash and bargained down prices with health providers.

She called it "bartering," a term normally referring to a trade of one good or service for another.

"You know, before we all started having health care, in the olden days our grandparents, they would bring a chicken to the doctor, they would say I’ll paint your house," she said. "I mean, that’s the old days of what people would do to get health care with your doctors. Doctors are very sympathetic people. I’m not backing down from that system."

Lowden, a wealthy casino owner, has occasionally veered off message...



http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/apr/20/sue-lowden-draws-fire-repeating-health-care-barter/
 
Derp Derp said:
This video with McConnell says it all. Their opposition with the Affordable Care Act, which primarily uses conservative developled concepts, of the insurance mandate and heath care exchanges. When pressed with "Ok, what will you replace it with?" They can't answer.

The answer is that Republican opposition to the ACA is purely political opposition to anything this administration attempts to accomplish. It's all about partisan politics and being mouth pieces for the insurance industry and has nothing to do with what's best for the American people. If Republican opponents truly believed they have a better way, they would have a plan in place to replace the ACA, right?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...e_to_outline_gop_health_care_alternative.html
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why certainly they have a plan. They do not think HC is broke and we do not need to do anything to it.
Deregulate, let the market rule and ban abortions!
 
Damocles said:
Actually, they presented at least three different plans.

http://cnsnews.com/node/52896
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the plans aren't without merit, ive heard snippets,but it's moot now.
McConnell looked the 'incompasionate out of touch old white guy Republican" yesteday -when Chris Wallace hit him on "what about the 30 million uninsured?"

He wouldn't address it directly,kept going back to generalized "reform" if the Republicans can't find a consistent counter message they got nothing else to sell.
Politics is about about selling your concepts. Obama got SCOTUS approval -hard to beat that.
 
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Tell me about them, will you?
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Wow. You are clearly one of the more uninformed people I have ever known, do you only read your talking points that you consistently post? What's wrong with you, couldn't find an emotive question?

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr2520

The Patients Choice Act (A quick synopsis)...

1. Puts a major focus on preventative care.
2. Makes insurance agencies compete nationwide for cost.
3. Gives a tax credit to individuals who buy their own care, the same type that an employer gets for providing insurance for an employee.
4. Creates a more cost effective State Centered alternative to Medicaid replacing.
5. Deals with medicare fraud.
6. Provides a more cost effective alternative to CHIP.
7. Allows Native Americans to seek better care outside of the Federal Government's program that has had a monopoly on their care for hundreds of years and treated them like dirt.
8. Works towards better and more quick and effective resolution than litigation for malpractice.

The Health Care Freedom Plan
1. Protects your right to keep your employer based insurance if you choose to do so.
2. Provides Americans without employer-based health insurance with vouchers of $2000 for individuals and $5000 for families to purchase health insurance.
3. Allows Americans with Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) to use their HSA funds to pay for insurance premiums, encouraging employers to contribute to their employees’ HSAs.
4. Creates a national market for health insurance by allowing individuals to purchase health insurance plans in any state.
5. Provides block grants to states to develop innovative models that ensure affordable health insurance coverage for Americans with preexisting health conditions.

Among other benefits...

“Empowering Patients First Act” (One of the crappier ones, IMO).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empowering_Patients_First_Act
 
Damocles said:
Wow. You are clearly one of the more uninformed people I have ever known, do you only read your talking points that you consistently post? What's wrong with you, couldn't find an emotive question?

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr2520

The Patients Choice Act (A quick synopsis)...

1. Puts a major focus on preventative care.
2. Makes insurance agencies compete nationwide for cost.
3. Gives a tax credit to individuals who buy their own care, the same type that an employer gets for providing insurance for an employee.
4. Creates a more cost effective State Centered alternative to Medicaid replacing.
5. Deals with medicare fraud.
6. Provides a more cost effective alternative to CHIP.
7. Allows Native Americans to seek better care outside of the Federal Government's program that has had a monopoly on their care for hundreds of years and treated them like dirt.
8. Works towards better and more quick and effective resolution than litigation for malpractice.

The Health Care Freedom Plan
1. Protects your right to keep your employer based insurance if you choose to do so.
2. Provides Americans without employer-based health insurance with vouchers of $2000 for individuals and $5000 for families to purchase health insurance.
3. Allows Americans with Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) to use their HSA funds to pay for insurance premiums, encouraging employers to contribute to their employees’ HSAs.
4. Creates a national market for health insurance by allowing individuals to purchase health insurance plans in any state.
5. Provides block grants to states to develop innovative models that ensure affordable health insurance coverage for Americans with preexisting health conditions.

Among other benefits...

“Empowering Patients First Act” (One of the crappier ones, IMO).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empowering_Patients_First_Act
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So which of those is Boehner going to bring to the floor for a vote?
 
Do the republicans plan on dropping the cost of Medicare advantage which costs 14% more than standard Medicare?
I did not see that addressed anywhere.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
So which of those is Boehner going to bring to the floor for a vote?
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Bad question. Your question should be what happened when they were presented? Why don't you check on who ran the house at that time and get back to us...

You also apparently don't realize that one of them is a Senate Bill presented to committee and ignored by the Democrat majority.

After the passing of the Obamatax bill, how effective would it be to pass these through one side of the Congress when the other won't even hear them?
 
Derp Derp said:
This video with McConnell says it all. Their opposition with the Affordable Care Act, which primarily uses conservative developled concepts, of the insurance mandate and heath care exchanges. When pressed with "Ok, what will you replace it with?" They can't answer.

The answer is that Republican opposition to the ACA is purely political opposition to anything this administration attempts to accomplish. It's all about partisan politics and being mouth pieces for the insurance industry and has nothing to do with what's best for the American people. If Republican opponents truly believed they have a better way, they would have a plan in place to replace the ACA, right?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...e_to_outline_gop_health_care_alternative.html
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why can't you just accept that there are people don't share your viewpoint? many of us are quite fine with others being uninsured. We don't care about them. It's not our problem. That IS a solution, you just don't like it.
 
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