Does no one else see the irony of....

[CanceledB]

How can we celebrate violence so much and then expect none to actually do it?

By being the 'exceptional' country.

 

[CanceledB]

Take your freak faith and stick it, dicklicker. I'll be continuing to rely on science and genuine research in mankind's quest to understand and possibly prevent some of these atrocities. You and your magic man in the sky aren't helping any in that regard.

The rube lacks the dot-connecting gene.

 

[CanceledB]

It's because animals do not understand. A insane animal can not survive on its own. It will either be easy prey or harm someone so we'd have to build sanitariums for animals. Try to get funding for that through a Repub Congress. :lol:

Also, many places do not allow euthanasia even when a person requests it. An individual with ALS is forced to live knowing at any moment they may choke to death. We'd rather watch a person thrashing around choking to death than helping them end their life peacefully.

It's a strange world.

Thank religious bullshit for that.

 

[CanceledB]

This is something I have never understood about how we are. Why is it, if a dog or cat 'goes mad' we have no problem euthanizing them? Yet, if it's a person, we can't seem to find it in our hearts? With an animal, we are "putting it out of it's misery," and it's the humane thing to do, but not with humans... why is that?

Religion.

 

[evince]

Yes it is, but back to the point... Why do we feel the need to put insane humans in sanitariums but insane animals, we "put them out of their misery?"

Why is it, we have someone commit a crime like this, killing and wounding scores of innocent people, and then we have to deliberate whether he was crazy? Isn't ANYONE who commits mass murder, pretty much off their nut? I mean, really? But now.... we can't 'punish' someone who is off their nut, we have to coddle them in a sanitarium the rest of their life?

coddle?


wow you really have a strange idea of what coddling is.


do you know it cost more to put someone to death than to incarcerate them for life?


I say we save the money and the horror of executing innocent people by housing any murderer whos sentanced to death or life in prison.


then we set about doing everything we can to treat the people who would be likely to commit such crimes.


The proactive method to eniding these crimes

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

coddle?


wow you really have a strange idea of what coddling is.


do you know it cost more to put someone to death than to incarcerate them for life?


I say we save the money and the horror of executing innocent people by housing any murderer whos sentanced to death or life in prison.


then we set about doing everything we can to treat the people who would be likely to commit such crimes.


The proactive method to eniding these crimes

Treat them? How do you treat insane people who commit mass murder? What is the cure for that? How do we know it was effective?

Seems like these are some obvious questions to ask.

it cost more to put someone to death than to incarcerate them for life

Then we are doing something wrong.

 

[gui1tars]

Treat them? How do you treat insane people who commit mass murder? What is the cure for that? How do we know it was effective?

Seems like these are some obvious questions to ask.

it cost more to put someone to death than to incarcerate them for life

Then we are doing something wrong.

As it is in most medical endeavors, the psychiatric institutions treat only symptoms and do their best to prevent the patients from further harming themselves and others. Putting the criminally insane to death has been ruled repeatedly to be unconstitutional in THIS country.

You're an idiot, dicklicker.

 

[evince]

A mass murder at a movie full of mass murders that people enjoy watching?
And pay hundreds of millions of dollars to see?
Give awards for the actors, etc?


American society....




I recall watching a highly rated movie where a drug addicted hit man blew a guys brains out in a car and the audience laughed....

Of course none of this impacts our society.

It comes from a culture built on youth instead of a cultrue built on wisdom.


I Love young people.

they are the ones who have saved this world over and over.


they have certain issues to deal with as young people.

they have to process a world that contains violence and a human mind that has always been capable of violence.

I dont know that we can ever completely overcome our attraction to voilence.

These movies are a reflextion of how our youth processes these violent urges.


Maybe we could promote the arts in a way the raises the bar on how we help our youth process these urges of mankind in a much more constructive way?


Violence sells tickets and those who dont care about the message but only care about the money have far too much sway in what our youth see in their search to process their humanness.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

this happened on obama's watch, therefore, according to liberals....this is obama's fault.

 

[j-mac]

coddle?


wow you really have a strange idea of what coddling is.


do you know it cost more to put someone to death than to incarcerate them for life?


I say we save the money and the horror of executing innocent people by housing any murderer whos sentanced to death or life in prison.


then we set about doing everything we can to treat the people who would be likely to commit such crimes.


The proactive method to eniding these crimes

I think Pol Pot called those 're-education' camps....

 

[j-mac]

It comes from a culture built on youth instead of a cultrue built on wisdom.


I Love young people.

they are the ones who have saved this world over and over.


they have certain issues to deal with as young people.

they have to process a world that contains violence and a human mind that has always been capable of violence.

I dont know that we can ever completely overcome our attraction to voilence.

These movies are a reflextion of how our youth processes these violent urges.


Maybe we could promote the arts in a way the raises the bar on how we help our youth process these urges of mankind in a much more constructive way?


Violence sells tickets and those who dont care about the message but only care about the money have far too much sway in what our youth see in their search to process their humanness.

Yes, we need many more Jesus' on the cross submerged in a jar of piss. That'll solve the problem.

 

[Phantasmal]

We've had mass murderers long before violence in movies. How about Jack the Ripper?

What's ironic is, whenever a freak random act of violence like this happens, Libtards feel the need to 'explain' it, and this usually revolves around something we're too stupid to do for ourselves and need government for. From banning guns to censoring violence in movies... there always has to be some 'reason' in a Liberals mind, that things like this happen. Well guess what? There is no 'reason' and it can't be 'explained' by the rational, because it is insane! The work of a mentally unstable mind that doesn't know right from wrong, it doesn't matter what 'rules' you have in place.

I could take the very same thing you are trying to blame on movies, and apply that to how we've moved away from strong spiritual faith and teachings. The new Atheist generation who has no concept of moral obligation or respect for life. The fact we no longer go to church every Sunday, parents don't make their kids go anymore, and we've lost the path to righteousness. Does it make some people feel better to believe this is why it happened? Of course, but is that the case? Or.. is this just a freak thing that happens sometimes when people in a free society go mad?

Is this an endorsement of organized religion and which church? Would a mosque be okay or a synagogue? Which path of righteousness? Is Tao or Buddhism a path? I am agnostic and my children are fabulous people!

You entertainment may not fuel the fire, but it sure is a reflection of the mental state of the society.

 

[Phantasmal]

Ah the classic human move, blame the victim. Nice... Tell me Occupant, do you go to rape victims and tell them not to be in the wrong place dressed sluttily?

I guess I read a different post, he didn't say they deserved to die because they were watching a violent movie. So, your analogy is a little off.

 

[Phantasmal]

And that is a good point... Pat Robertson might say the people who were at that movie were punished by God. Is he wrong? I don't believe he is any more 'wrong' than someone who thinks less violence in movies would have prevented this, or fewer/more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens would have stopped it.

We can form all kinds of psychological 'comfort zones' on this, to help us cope with the horror of the tragedy. That is normal, and what people do. It helps you to deal with this by blaming (at least partially) the entertainment industry. Others cope with the shock of what they are witnessing on TV, by blaming guns and gun laws, because it gives them comfort to find something to help make sense of this. Again, that is a normal human psychological reaction when these things happen. If some wacko religious group had been protesting 'Dark Knight' and trying to prevent it from being screened because it was violent, you would have been livid last week. But today, you can see where there is irony, and you can see that we are becoming like the Romans. Do you see how quickly your perspective shifted?

Now let me make it clear, because I know pinheads have the tendency to completely misconstrue things I say... I am NOT arguing that lack of spirituality is the reason this tragedy happened. MY belief is, tragedies happen because people sometimes go off their rockers. That simple. We didn't do anything to cause this, there isn't some thing we could have done to prevent this, it's just a tragic instance of someone doing something senseless... we don't HAVE to make sense of it. The point I am trying to make with the interjection of 'spirituality and morality' is that people can use all kinds of comfort thoughts, that included. So when you run around trying to find the thing that you can blame this on in your mind to help you cope, remember that other people can do the same with whatever they find comfort in as well. It's part of being human, that's all I am saying.

Things like this are going to happen now and then. There is nothing we can do to prevent it, there is no 'reason' for it, or 'cause' behind it. It's not because we haven't gone to Church enough... it's not because we watch too much violence... it's not because we have legal firearms... none of that is the REASON this happened! IT HAPPENED BECAUSE SENSELESS ACTS HAPPEN SOMETIMES.

Come on baby, let's do the twist...and it goes like this, round and round and up and down!

 

[Phantasmal]

This is something I have never understood about how we are. Why is it, if a dog or cat 'goes mad' we have no problem euthanizing them? Yet, if it's a person, we can't seem to find it in our hearts? With an animal, we are "putting it out of it's misery," and it's the humane thing to do, but not with humans... why is that?

You are the spiritual God person, isn't there one rule of this one God that you don't have the right, he gave you dominion over the animals, but vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Is this an endorsement of organized religion and which church? Would a mosque be okay or a synagogue? Which path of righteousness? Is Tao or Buddhism a path? I am agnostic and my children are fabulous people!

You entertainment may not fuel the fire, but it sure is a reflection of the mental state of the society.

You missed the point AGAIN... better lay off the glue sniffing, it's bad for you.

I am not arguing "which path" or "who's church" here... I am arguing that humans find all sorts of things to comfort themselves whenever a tragedy like this happens.... whether that is some pinhead chortling about the need for more gun control, or a Baptist claiming this is a sign from God! We all have our own ways of processing this, of wrapping our minds around what has happened, of coming to terms with what we have witnessed. To mistake our humanistic emotive knee-jerk reactions with rational thinking, is where we often mess up. It causes us to do stupid things we think might help prevent something like this, but nothing can prevent crazy people from doing insane things.

AMC has announced it will no longer allow patrons to wear masks or carry toy guns, however they can still dress in costumes. This is great, but do they honestly believe this would have prevented the tragedy in Colorado? As if the perpetrator would have gotten to the theater and seen the sign, and said, "Oh well, so much for THAT plan!" I just don't think that is realistic. Crazy people will not generally follow the rules in the commission of doing something insane....generally speaking.

 

[Phantasmal]

Well see now, I have touched a nerve with you, and I didn't intend to cause an emotive rant... I am sorry. Pat Robertson has as much right to comfort himself by believing [whatever] as you do. That's all I am saying. I don't agree with Pat, I don't agree with Christians ranting about how we need to get back in touch with Gawd... but they have the same right to cling to whatever comforts them through this tragedy, we all do. It's part of being humans.

You can blame "yourself" but you can't blame "me" so you can't blame "ourselves" for this. The thing is, you can "blame" whatever... people do! That's the point I am making, it is our way of dealing and coping with tragedies like this... we have to find something to "blame" or some "reason" it happened. But the thing is, no matter what we choose to blame, or how we choose to cope, tragedies like this will still happen in the future, they always do.

Huh, what was the bs about going to church? Twist, baby, twist?

 

[leaningright]

Is this an endorsement of organized religion and which church? Would a mosque be okay or a synagogue? Which path of righteousness? Is Tao or Buddhism a path? I am agnostic and my children are fabulous people!

You entertainment may not fuel the fire, but it sure is a reflection of the mental state of the society.

I don't think he is endorsing any religion here but trying to make the point that folks deal with/rationalize/blame tragedies like this one one a lot of things and in their own minds they are legitimate. I don't often agree with a lot of what Dixie says but in this I think he is making a pretty good argument. You have those who, when something like this happens, blame the guns and the gun culture...and in their minds that is a legitimate thing. Then there are those who blame violent video games, movies and such...and in their minds that is legitimate as well. And then there are those who blame things like this on what he covers in his second paragraph...the lack of spirituality in the current generation. No endorsement that I can see from this post and especially in his subsequent posts on this thread, but allowing that those are as legitimate reasons for those people as those who want to blame our culture, movies, video games and such. We all deal with it and place blame differently. Hope I am understanding him correctly as I feel 'out on a limb' trying to explain ... At least as I have read it.

 

[Phantasmal]

You missed the point AGAIN... better lay off the glue sniffing, it's bad for you.

I am not arguing "which path" or "who's church" here... I am arguing that humans find all sorts of things to comfort themselves whenever a tragedy like this happens.... whether that is some pinhead chortling about the need for more gun control, or a Baptist claiming this is a sign from God! We all have our own ways of processing this, of wrapping our minds around what has happened, of coming to terms with what we have witnessed. To mistake our humanistic emotive knee-jerk reactions with rational thinking, is where we often mess up. It causes us to do stupid things we think might help prevent something like this, but nothing can prevent crazy people from doing insane things.

AMC has announced it will no longer allow patrons to wear masks or carry toy guns, however they can still dress in costumes. This is great, but do they honestly believe this would have prevented the tragedy in Colorado? As if the perpetrator would have gotten to the theater and seen the sign, and said, "Oh well, so much for THAT plan!" I just don't think that is realistic. Crazy people will not generally follow the rules in the commission of doing something insane....generally speaking.

I didn't miss anything Dixie, you just dothe twist, you don't keep track of the previous points you have made, you are all over the place in your thinking, it is very disjointed at times, sorry.

 

[Howey]

This is something I have never understood about how we are. Why is it, if a dog or cat 'goes mad' we have no problem euthanizing them? Yet, if it's a person, we can't seem to find it in our hearts? With an animal, we are "putting it out of it's misery," and it's the humane thing to do, but not with humans... why is that?

If only...we would have been rid of you long ago.