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Darla said:
Well you never know when you're talking to a man who was charged with rape and feels it was "false". Coerced sex comes to mind, so does sex when the women was too drunk to consent. But even rape where physical force is used, plenty of rapists don't "feel" it was "rape rape". So there's that. I always keep that in mind.

yurt's a special case. Whenever Onceler isn't around to keep him occupied, he goes batshit on every thread on the board and he is fixated on me right now. And now on you because you agree with me. HE went through phase where he was obsessed with Rana. And Christie. I have no idea what drives it other than some mental disorder.
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more nonsensical bashing. you're awesome darla.
 
Darla said:
Not to mention it's an economic decision on the part of the establishments offering it! More women = more men. Men often go to bars to meet women! Bars who aren't bringing in enough of a female clientele often use Ladies Night as one marketing tactic to change that.
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As long as it's legal to pay women 79 cents for every dollar earned by men, Ladies' Night is a welcome attempt at compensation.
 
Bijou said:
I will be the first in line to agree with you about the egregiousness of a false rape charge. There are myriad reasons why concealing the identity of the accuser is necessary, and you can cite where it's unconstitutional to conceal the accuser's while revealing the accused, and you will still fail to convince me that it's wrong. When you can cite a substantial handful of all the falsely-accused rapists who suffered a miscarriage of justice as a result of 'inequality', we'll debate the wrongness of it. Otherwise, it will, in my view, remain an acceptable imperfection in the system that errs on the side of safety for the woman.
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These are just a few, there are many, many more. If you are going to send somebody away to jail for 4-7 years then wouldn't you want the case to be based on more than someone's say so?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/jan/28/false-rape-complaint-prosecution

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-11707903

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/324017

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn.../Prison-inevitable-for-false-rape-claims.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/412892.stm

http://www.cps.gov.uk/southwest/cps_southwest_news/gail_sherwood_jailed_for_false_rape_claims/

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1719

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/uk-court-says-man-falsely-accused-of.html

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/r...l-behind-bars-with-sex-beasts-86908-22148179/
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
These are just a few, there are many, many more. If you are going to send somebody away to jail for 4-7 years then wouldn't you want the case to be based on more than someone's say so?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/jan/28/false-rape-complaint-prosecution

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-11707903

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/324017

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn.../Prison-inevitable-for-false-rape-claims.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/412892.stm

http://www.cps.gov.uk/southwest/cps_southwest_news/gail_sherwood_jailed_for_false_rape_claims/

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1719

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/uk-court-says-man-falsely-accused-of.html

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/r...l-behind-bars-with-sex-beasts-86908-22148179/
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Gee, Tom. What are you whining about? I've only clicked on 5 of the 9 links so far, and all but one of them (an op/ed) were stories about women being jailed for false rape charges. I thought you were going to link me up with stories about the men whose lives were ruined as a result?

Edit: Only your last two concerned men with ruined lives. I will agree that it's a travesty, but it's not an epidemic. And based on the remaining seven links, it appears that false accusers are being dealt harsh punishment.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
These are just a few, there are many, many more.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/jan/28/false-rape-complaint-prosecution

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-11707903

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/324017

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn.../Prison-inevitable-for-false-rape-claims.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/412892.stm

http://www.cps.gov.uk/southwest/cps_southwest_news/gail_sherwood_jailed_for_false_rape_claims/

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1719

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/uk-court-says-man-falsely-accused-of.html

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/r...l-behind-bars-with-sex-beasts-86908-22148179/
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See just the fact that you can list them destroys your case. I couldn't list the rapes that occurred in the last hour.

And I wouldn't even accept that the few you dug up were real. I'd have to go investigate every one of them.

Statistically false rape reports are no significant compared to rape and sex assault numbers, both reported and unreported.

Also, the FBI recently changed the definition of rape, and it was not to "inflate the numbers" your asshole claim about the change in the UK. It was to do things such as include male rapes, and rapes that were not counted because they were not considered "forcible". IT's a huge step forward in this country, not backwards. you really are a disturbed man.
 
Darla said:
There's a big backlash as I'm sure you know against these advances and protections.

I got teary-eyed reading your story, I am so sorry, I don't think we ever talked about this have we? Isn't it something how even women who talk about so much with each other often don't go "there"? Big hug to you. I understand. What terrifies and enrages me is that a small but loud percentage of men are out there now working hard to make sure that women in the situation you describe are to scared to report the rape even today. And I believe even today once "consent" (in your case it sounds as if even your initial consent was coerced) is given, if a man forces a sex act on you that you did not consent to, and you withdraw consent, it would be very difficult to get a prosecutor to pursue the case. Most women even today will not report under such circumstances. But yeah, things have gotten so much better....but there is still a ways to go. I am very interested in the tactic of education on consent. Rather than passive consent being acceptable, the standard is active consent. The absence of a no is not consent. I feel this is important because so many women are worn down and coerced into stopping the struggle. There must be a yes. I personally am only with men who understand the concept of enthusiastic consent. Though I hold no hope of this becoming the legal standard, so I advocate for the next best thing - active consent. A lot of people tell me that enthusiastic consent must take the fun out of it and what a boring fuck women who advocate that must be.

Really? I can only assume they define boring. Enthusiastic consent is very hot. You have to be into dirty talk and it helps to have an imaginative (male in my case) partner. Haven't come across a man who objects to that. Men who believe coerced sex is getting lucky, that the absence of a no is the jackpot, don't know what great hot sex is.

Thanks for being so brave to share your story here. That takes the kind of guts I don't have and that I greatly admire.
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Thanks hon, you have always been a great support. I mentioned it on the RBB one time when a similar discussion was taking place. I dont know if you were around then.

I don't dwell on things and I try not to be a "victim". I did teach my daughters the difference between consent and rape. I worked on the STAR hotline for awhile counseling victims. This discussion leads me to believe that maybe, I need to volunteer, again.

Thanks, also for saying I am brave, I don't feel brave, I just hope it brings more understanding.
 
Darla said:
Wrong again Cliffie. Those rape disclosure practices are standard in the US, where no major news outlet will name a rape victim, but will name the alleged assailant. So we can add Supreme court expert to the many things you don't know shit about but act like you're an expert.
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Well I stand corrected, your system is just as fucked up as ours. I am not surprised that you can justify such a fucked up system, I never doubted for one second that you actually cared about justice.
 
Rana said:
Thanks hon, you have always been a great support. I mentioned it on the RBB one time when a similar discussion was taking place. I dont know if you were around then.

I don't dwell on things and I try not to be a "victim". I did teach my daughters the difference between consent and rape. I worked on the STAR hotline for awhile counseling victims. This discussion leads me to believe that maybe, I need to volunteer, again.

Thanks, also for saying I am brave, I don't feel brave, I just hope it brings more understanding.
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No I wasn't there. I would have remembered.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Well I stand corrected, your system is just as fucked up as ours. I am not surprised that you can justify such a fucked up system, I never doubted for one second that you actually cared about justice.
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Yeah I'm fucked up. You know Cliffie you probably shouldn't have taken up the rape cause. I don't think you have any idea what you did to yourself. It's great to be able to expose the harsh ugliness of a feminist-basher. Anyone who is up in arms over how great rape victims are treated would hate feminists.

My job? Done.
 
Rana said:
Thanks hon, you have always been a great support. I mentioned it on the RBB one time when a similar discussion was taking place. I dont know if you were around then.

I don't dwell on things and I try not to be a "victim". I did teach my daughters the difference between consent and rape. I worked on the STAR hotline for awhile counseling victims. This discussion leads me to believe that maybe, I need to volunteer, again.

Thanks, also for saying I am brave, I don't feel brave, I just hope it brings more understanding.
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Oh, and I also taught my sons, no, means no!

I also was not coerced, except in the usual way of young males to a girlfriend, " if you loved me", I did feel I loved him and wanted to share, little did I know, it did not hold the same value for him as it did me. I guess now in retrospect, I was blinded by love to his character flaws. It did help me fine tune my "what I want in a man" and I found my hubby, who is kind,loving and a very gentle soul who loves women!
 
Darla said:
See just the fact that you can list them destroys your case. I couldn't list the rapes that occurred in the last hour.

And I wouldn't even accept that the few you dug up were real. I'd have to go investigate every one of them.

Statistically false rape reports are no significant compared to rape and sex assault numbers, both reported and unreported.

Also, the FBI recently changed the definition of rape, and it was not to "inflate the numbers" your asshole claim about the change in the UK. It was to do things such as include male rapes, and rapes that were not counted because they were not considered "forcible". IT's a huge step forward in this country, not backwards. you really are a disturbed man.
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Those were ones I found in a few minutes plus some notorious cases I knew about anyway. I could have found many more but what's the point.
 
Rana said:
Oh, and I also taught my sons, no, means no!

I also was not coerced, except in the usual way of young males to a girlfriend, " if you loved me", I did feel I loved him and wanted to share, little did I know, it did not hold the same value for him as it did me. I guess now in retrospect, I was blinded by love to his character flaws. It did help me fine tune my "what I want in a man" and I found my hubby, who is kind,loving and a very gentle soul who loves women!
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Ah yes, thankfully those days are over! I remember that refrain, LOL.

Yeah there are plenty of decent men around. I'm glad you found a great one!
 
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