Our Military...

[anatta]

I am not sure what you really think can be done about it, should they start recruiting people with liberal arts degrees and impeccable PC credentials?

here's an idea, stop feeding the MIC with american troops, reduce the need to feed,and it will wither down to a manageable level, where scum are not needed.

Priority 1. stop the perpetual wars, get the fuck out of AfPak yesterday, stop droning the planet. Also stop preparing for the NEXT war with China.
Such thinking is self fufilling.

reduce the needs for bodies to war, and you can be a bit more selective about who serves.

 

[Haiku]

Stick to the topic and spare me the self-righteous attempts at insults.

I am not, as I said, condoning anything these idiots do. But I am asking how far we go to populate the military with politically-correct individuals. If it is, as the video said, a common thing in the military, how long do you think it would take for them to learn to simply be quiet about it during induction?

And unless these recruit has actually committed a racist crime, you are wanting to convict them based on what they think? Is that what sort of nation you really want? And how far do you carry it? Will it be acceptable to ban someone for thinking the military is bad? Or what about someone who thinks gays shouldn't serve? This "thought police" nonsense is not an example of what a free society does.

You've been answered, before the Bush administration these people and their hate were not retained in the military, now they are accommodated...don't forget there are others brought into the military (ie gang members) that are changing the culture as well. Our military should not have these types included. You obviously have no understanding of the military.

 

[CanceledB]

Stick to the topic and spare me the self-righteous attempts at insults.

Grow up. When you post asinine, dumbing-down questions deliberately to provoke and diminish the topic, you'll be met with what you earn.

I am not, as I said, condoning anything these idiots do. But I am asking how far we go to populate the military with politically-correct individuals.

You need to grow past the abhorrent notion that racism and hate are merely 'politically incorrect'. That attitude contributes significantly to why we are profoundly divided and why much of the world is repulsed by us.

And yes - the standard for excellence and impeccable ethics by our military needs to be practiced and implemented, and not just serve as some soundbyte for commercials and yellow-ribbon campaigns. Scumbags need not apply. They do not help the cause, in the near or long term.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

Rumsfeld specifically wanted to fight this war (Iraq) on the cheap. When it became the expected shit-storm, it became harder and harder to recruit people so they began deliberately lowering the standards.

Yes it did. And both administrations have continued the wars, so more recruits are needed. In the not so distant past, one method of recruiting during times of need was to give people convicted of a crime a choice between jail or military service. It was very common when I served in the military.

The military needs bodies. They pay poorly for dangerous work, and the physical discomforts are plenty. Until such time as the pay is increased or the number of recruits needed is decreased, you will always have a military populated mainly by the lower income groups. And many of these have serious issues.

 

[Haiku]

The second video delves into the connections...even to the killing of Dr Tiller. This whole mind set is being promoted.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Prior to 'The War On Terror' and Rumsfeld it was part of our military culture to get rid of people like this and to not bring them into the service in the first place, so yes.

Well you and yours could always join up and show them the error of their ways by forming reeducation centres.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

Grow up. When you post asinine, dumbing-down questions deliberately to provoke and diminish the topic, you'll be met with what you earn.



You need to grow past the abhorrent notion that racism and hate are merely 'politically incorrect'. That attitude contributes significantly to why we are profoundly divided and why much of the world is repulsed by us.

And yes - the standard for excellence and impeccable ethics by our military needs to be practiced and implemented, and not just serve as some soundbyte for commercials and yellow-ribbon campaigns. Scumbags need not apply. They do not help the cause, in the near or long term.

Once again, how do you determine who is a "scum-bag" unless they commit a crime? There are racists of every color. There are nut cases of every color. I am simply asking how we determine who is allowed to serve and who is not. So far you have only mentioned tattoos as a basis for exclusion.

 

[CanceledB]

Yes it did. And both administrations have continued the wars, so more recruits are needed. In the not so distant past, one method of recruiting during times of need was to give people convicted of a crime a choice between jail or military service. It was very common when I served in the military.

The military needs bodies. They pay poorly for dangerous work, and the physical discomforts are plenty. Until such time as the pay is increased or the number of recruits needed is decreased, you will always have a military populated mainly by the lower income groups. And many of these have serious issues.

Then perhaps the war hawks ought to evolve? Maybe war isn't the answer, especially if we don't have enough 'bodies' to fight it? In the meantime, the answer isn't to allow for scumbags to fight in my name, and then expect me to support them, figuratively or otherwise.

 

[CanceledB]

Once again, how do you determine who is a "scum-bag" unless they commit a crime? There are racists of every color. There are nut cases of every color. I am simply asking how we determine who is allowed to serve and who is not. So far you have only mentioned tattoos as a basis for exclusion.

Thorough background checks reveal a wealth of information about one's character. Racists and nutcases are usually outed in such checks. And they should be automatically rejected, in the same fashion as certain physical limitations disqualify one. I mentioned tattoos as an example of an obvious starting point, not the end-all and be-all. Quit trying to dumb it down.

 

[Haiku]

Yes it did. And both administrations have continued the wars, so more recruits are needed. In the not so distant past, one method of recruiting during times of need was to give people convicted of a crime a choice between jail or military service. It was very common when I served in the military.

The military needs bodies. They pay poorly for dangerous work, and the physical discomforts are plenty. Until such time as the pay is increased or the number of recruits needed is decreased, you will always have a military populated mainly by the lower income groups. And many of these have serious issues.

Well having the option to serve rather than go to jail has always been an option...ask Track Palin. However, that is not the subject of this thread. I don't see your points making any contribution to the discussion...you're just objecting to what you perceive as left wing concerns. You're wrong.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

You've been answered, before the Bush administration these people and their hate were not retained in the military, now they are accommodated...don't forget there are others brought into the military (ie gang members) that are changing the culture as well. Our military should not have these types included. You obviously have no understanding of the military.

I have a very solid understanding of the military. You obviously don't.

What you want is several hundred thousand boyscouts who will kill on command, leave their families behind for long periods of time, give up many of their freedoms, and do so for less than $2k a month.

Hate groups thrive in impoverished areas. Military recruiting does best in impoverished areas. This is the way it has been for decades.

 

[Haiku]

I have a very solid understanding of the military. You obviously don't.

What you want is several hundred thousand boyscouts who will kill on command, leave their families behind for long periods of time, give up many of their freedoms, and do so for less than $2k a month.

Hate groups thrive in impoverished areas. Military recruiting does best in impoverished areas. This is the way it has been for decades.

If you would watch all the linked videos...they continue for the entire interview....many of your questions/concerns will be answered. Hate groups thrive in churches in this country...our culture is rife with hate as the original report cited and the whole rightwing melted down about it. You haven't watched or absorbed the information.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

Well having the option to serve rather than go to jail has always been an option...ask Track Palin. However, that is not the subject of this thread. I don't see your points making any contribution to the discussion...you're just objecting to what you perceive as left wing concerns. You're wrong.

The reason I brought up the option of jail or the military is that is shows that we have never been picky about who serves. It is only when something happens that the knee-jerk reaction crops up.

I am not objecting based on left or right. I am questioning the methodology of teh screening. Some would be obvious. But, if the problem is as wide spread as the video claims, it will take more than banning those with extremist tattoos or hate group memberships to solve.

 

[CanceledB]

If you would watch all the linked videos...they continue for the entire interview....many of your questions/concerns will be answered. Hate groups thrive in churches in this country...our culture is rife with hate as the original report cited and the whole rightwing melted down about it. You haven't watched or absorbed the information.

But Haiku - hate is merely 'un-pc'. You're being unreasonable expecting 'political correctness' from our troops.

 

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Thorough background checks reveal a wealth of information about one's character. Racists and nutcases are usually outed in such checks. And they should be automatically rejected, in the same fashion as certain physical limitations disqualify one. I mentioned tattoos as an example of an obvious starting point, not the end-all and be-all. Quit trying to dumb it down.

Unless the person is getting a high security clearance, the background checks are simply a formality. They check for a criminal record and thats about it.

I am not dumbing down anything. The fact that you keep harping on that shows you have more interest in insults than in discussion. I am not saying we should have these idiots in the military. I am simply questioning how we prevent it.

 

[CanceledB]

The reason I brought up the option of jail or the military is that is shows that we have never been picky about who serves. It is only when something happens that the knee-jerk reaction crops up.

I am not objecting based on left or right. I am questioning the methodology of teh screening. Some would be obvious. But, if the problem is as wide spread as the video claims, it will take more than banning those with extremist tattoos or hate group memberships to solve.

Well then it will take whatever it will take, won't it?

 

[CanceledB]

Unless the person is getting a high security clearance, the background checks are simply a formality. They check for a criminal record and thats about it.

Then the background check needs to be conducted more thoroughly, deeply and comprehensively.

 

[Haiku]

The reason I brought up the option of jail or the military is that is shows that we have never been picky about who serves. It is only when something happens that the knee-jerk reaction crops up.

I am not objecting based on left or right. I am questioning the methodology of teh screening. Some would be obvious. But, if the problem is as wide spread as the video claims, it will take more than banning those with extremist tattoos or hate group memberships to solve.

You make such generalizations for argument...while we may have accepted youth in our military that would otherwise go to jail, anyone showing any of the obvious signs of these types of hateful beliefs would be deemed unfit for service and anyone in command that put up with it or encouraged it would be found unfit for service. Your argument does not hold water.

Yes I agree our military was polluted under the Rumsfeld admin of the DOJ right down to pushing evangelical beliefs (do it or else) in the military...it's all of a piece.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

But Haiku - hate is merely 'un-pc'. You're being unreasonable expecting 'political correctness' from our troops.

But Bijou, if you don't want to discuss the issues I am raising, just sit quietly while the rest of us do.

 

[CanceledB]

But Bijou, if you don't want to discuss the issues I am raising, just sit quietly while the rest of us do.

Fuck off. You're too thin-skinned for adult debate.