GOP Platform: Women Not Human

[blackascoal]

All atrocities (known as 'terrorism' when committed by other nations) committed against innocents in the name of freedom by the United States are accepted as necessary 'collateral damage'. Such is the luxury of American Exceptionalism.

APPLAUSE

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

I'm having a difficult time with what I see as your excusing men for unwanted pregnancy by using the argument that they've been deceived.

I chose not to respond to the other quote fest we had because I think you are honestly incapable of grasping my argument, or you are being deliberately obtuse.

 

[Phantasmal]

I disagree good sister.

I have a son whose mother assured me that she was still on birth control when we discussed not having a baby. This was not a fly-by-night relationship .. and there is no real relationship without trust. I trusted her as anyone in a real relationship would do.

Needless to say, she stopped taking her birth control pills. When I discovered that she was pregnant I was stunned. I asked her why she would stop taking birth control lmowing that I did not want her to get pregnant, and she said because she wanted to have the baby even if I didn't. She knew how am I am about my kids and she knew there was no way I was going to walk away from the baby .. although I certainly walked away from her.

Additionally, I have a daughter from a "defective" condom. I ended up raising her by myself. She's in college now.

My point is that birth control does not always work .. and when it doesn't work, men have little choice or control. Even if he wanted to have the child, but the woman does not, there is no way he can make her. If he doesn't want to have the child and she does, she wins.

What I've hoped would evolve in our society is a bit of respect for fatherhood and the plight of fathers. In this society, motherhood is more important than the child.

The narrative is that men don't care about their children. But I used to volunteer for a father's rights group in Seattle. I took hotline phone calls from men who needed advice. I had to quit because I couldn't take listening to the pain .. listening to men on the verge of suicide because they've broken up with the mother of their children, the courts are treating them like shit, and they're being denied access to their kids.

Just saying .. there is another side to the story.

I am sorry she betrayed your trust, but betrayal of trust does happen in relationships. It is why I tell my sons that it is their responsibility to use a condom if they do not want a child because betrayal can and does happen.

I truly wish people weren't so sleazy!

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

I disagree good sister.

I have a son whose mother assured me that she was still on birth control when we discussed not having a baby. This was not a fly-by-night relationship .. and there is no real relationship without trust. I trusted her as anyone in a real relationship would do.

Needless to say, she stopped taking her birth control pills. When I discovered that she was pregnant I was stunned. I asked her why she would stop taking birth control lmowing that I did not want her to get pregnant, and she said because she wanted to have the baby even if I didn't. She knew how am I am about my kids and she knew there was no way I was going to walk away from the baby .. although I certainly walked away from her.

Additionally, I have a daughter from a "defective" condom. I ended up raising her by myself. She's in college now.

My point is that birth control does not always work .. and when it doesn't work, men have little choice or control. Even if he wanted to have the child, but the woman does not, there is no way he can make her. If he doesn't want to have the child and she does, she wins.

What I've hoped would evolve in our society is a bit of respect for fatherhood and the plight of fathers. In this society, motherhood is more important than the child.

The narrative is that men don't care about their children. But I used to volunteer for a father's rights group in Seattle. I took hotline phone calls from men who needed advice. I had to quit because I couldn't take listening to the pain .. listening to men on the verge of suicide because they've broken up with the mother of their children, the courts are treating them like shit, and they're being denied access to their kids.

Just saying .. there is another side to the story.

bac, I love you.

 

[blackascoal]

bac, I love you.

:0) I love you too man.

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

Maybe it's my own personal dislike of condoms but I have my doubts about anyone claiming they only have sex with women who are on the pill (many women can't or won't take the pill for very valid reasons, it is not without risk btw, though it has always been my method) and use a condom every single time as backup. If all you are having is casual sex this is good, but if not...not buying it. Also if all you ever have is casual sex, that's another can of emotional worms.

One last note: Semen makes you happy!

So, that explains a lot.

 

[blackascoal]

I am sorry she betrayed your trust, but betrayal of trust does happen in relationships. It is why I tell my sons that it is their responsibility to use a condom if they do not want a child because betrayal can and does happen.

I truly wish people weren't so sleazy!

The reality is they may need two condoms. :0)

Where's the fun in that?

Seriously, what I tell my sons is that friendship is more important than love. If the person you're with is not your friend, it will not last. And if you have children from that relationship that did not last, you may be headed for serious problems.

Love is emotion .. it ebbs and flows, often based on images. Friendship in more enduring, based on mutual respect and admiration.

If he's her friend, he wants her to go out with her friends and have a good time.

If he's just in love .. who are you going out with and when will you be back.

I tell my sons that being a man means that you can be father and mother if need be.

 

[blackascoal]

Maybe it's my own personal dislike of condoms but I have my doubts about anyone claiming they only have sex with women who are on the pill (many women can't or won't take the pill for very valid reasons, it is not without risk btw, though it has always been my method) and use a condom every single time as backup. If all you are having is casual sex this is good, but if not...not buying it. Also if all you ever have is casual sex, that's another can of emotional worms.

One last note: Semen makes you happy!

So, that explains a lot.

"Semen makes you happy."

I'm stealing that. :0)

Man, If I had this article when I was younger, I would have been walking around with copies in my pocket. :0)

 

[christiefan915]

I chose not to respond to the other quote fest we had because I think you are honestly incapable of grasping my argument, or you are being deliberately obtuse.

I'm fully capable of grasping any argument that's laid out clearly and concisely, even if I don't agree with it. Yours isn't. It's long on generalities (woman taking advantage) and short on specifics.

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

"Semen makes you happy."

I'm stealing that. :0)

Man, If I had this article when I was younger, I would have been walking around with copies in my pocket. :0)

LMAO

It's science now!

 

[christiefan915]

Iraq isn't part of what I do. Multiple targets were hit on 9/11 - it wasn't all about the WTC.

Yes, multiple targets were hit on one day. There was no Wehrmacht, no invasion by a trained force. It was terrorism.

 

[cancel2 2022]

"Semen makes you happy."

I'm stealing that. :0)

Man, If I had this article when I was younger, I would have been walking around with copies in my pocket. :0)

Semen does contain several mood-altering hormones, including testosterone, oestrogen, follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinising hormone, prolactin and several different prostaglandins. Some of these have been detected in a women's blood within hours of exposure to semen.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2457-semen-acts-as-an-antidepressant.html

 

[christiefan915]

I disagree good sister.

I have a son whose mother assured me that she was still on birth control when we discussed not having a baby. This was not a fly-by-night relationship .. and there is no real relationship without trust. I trusted her as anyone in a real relationship would do.

Does this mean she didn't want a baby, you didn't want a baby, and both of you agreed there would be no baby? Because (and this is just a hunch) it seems that she may have wanted a baby all along and only paid lip service to your position, and hoped that if she became pregnant that your desire to continue the relationship would override the no-baby decision. I'm sorry you were fooled. Maybe women's motives are more obvious to me just because, ; but you were really trusting.

Needless to say, she stopped taking her birth control pills. When I discovered that she was pregnant I was stunned. I asked her why she would stop taking birth control lmowing that I did not want her to get pregnant, and she said because she wanted to have the baby even if I didn't. She knew how am I am about my kids and she knew there was no way I was going to walk away from the baby .. although I certainly walked away from her.

WADR, this is such a "man" position. SHE stopped the pill, SHE knew I didn't want a pregnancy, SHE knew how I am about my kids, SHE knew I wouldn't walk away from a baby. Apparently you knew deep inside that this wasn't a woman you could be with permanently but you still trusted her with total control over contraception.

Additionally, I have a daughter from a "defective" condom. I ended up raising her by myself. She's in college now.

You have my respect for taking on this huge responsibility but I have to ask, how did such a smart guy get taken in by these kinds of woman?

My point is that birth control does not always work .. and when it doesn't work, men have little choice or control.

Hey, I'm Catholic. We're prime candidates for birth control that doesn't always work.

Even if he wanted to have the child, but the woman does not, there is no way he can make her. If he doesn't want to have the child and she does, she wins.

Agreed. It's why I'm saying people in the dating world have to be very careful with their own choices, and with those they choose to trust.

What I've hoped would evolve in our society is a bit of respect for fatherhood and the plight of fathers. In this society, motherhood is more important than the child.

I guess you mean unmarried fathers.

The narrative is that men don't care about their children. But I used to volunteer for a father's rights group in Seattle. I took hotline phone calls from men who needed advice. I had to quit because I couldn't take listening to the pain .. listening to men on the verge of suicide because they've broken up with the mother of their children, the courts are treating them like shit, and they're being denied access to their kids.

I believe kids should be raised in stable families, too. That's why both men and women have to take the utmost care over contraception if the relationship isn't about building a family together.

Just saying .. there is another side to the story.

Thanks. For the most part we agree.

 

[blackascoal]

Semen does contain several mood-altering hormones, including testosterone, oestrogen, follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinising hormone, prolactin and several different prostaglandins. Some of these have been detected in a women's blood within hours of exposure to semen.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2457-semen-acts-as-an-antidepressant.html

Man, where was all this information when I needed it?

I would have been saying .. in my best Isaac Hayes voice .. Excuse me, but I couldn't help but notice the frown on your face. I noticed because it looks out of place on such a pretty face. It doesn't belong there.

Life getting you down pretty lady?

Worry won't help you, and anti-depressants and alcohol will only make things worse. May I recommend a solution that is all-natural, hypo-allergenic, good for the environment, and scientifically-proven to make you feel much better.

It's semen baby. Semen makes you happy .. and I have the evidence to prove it.

It comes in flavors .. mine is chocolate. :0)

 

[Jarod]

According to Candy logic, thats a photo of a kid crying.

 

[Minister of Truth]

I should point out that WA is considered the absolute worst state for men to get divorced in. Perhaps BAC would be less depressed about volunteering in a more realistic place.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Man, where was all this information when I needed it?

I would have been saying .. in my best Isaac Hayes voice .. Excuse me, but I couldn't help but notice the frown on your face. I noticed because it looks out of place on such a pretty face. It doesn't belong there.

Life getting you down pretty lady?

Worry won't help you, and anti-depressants and alcohol will only make things worse. May I recommend a solution that is all-natural, hypo-allergenic, good for the environment, and scientifically-proven to make you feel much better.

It's semen baby. Semen makes you happy .. and I have the evidence to prove it.

It comes in flavors .. mine is chocolate. :0)

Don't eat asparagus beforehand especially if administered orally!

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

Man, where was all this information when I needed it?

I would have been saying .. in my best Isaac Hayes voice .. Excuse me, but I couldn't help but notice the frown on your face. I noticed because it looks out of place on such a pretty face. It doesn't belong there.

Life getting you down pretty lady?

Worry won't help you, and anti-depressants and alcohol will only make things worse. May I recommend a solution that is all-natural, hypo-allergenic, good for the environment, and scientifically-proven to make you feel much better.

It's semen baby. Semen makes you happy .. and I have the evidence to prove it.

It comes in flavors .. mine is chocolate. :0)

LOL

I wanted to post the study because I think the younguns here can use the help. I don't think they're getting much. Well, some of the olduns too.

 

[blackascoal]

Does this mean she didn't want a baby, you didn't want a baby, and both of you agreed there would be no baby? Because (and this is just a hunch) it seems that she may have wanted a baby all along and only paid lip service to your position, and hoped that if she became pregnant that your desire to continue the relationship would override the no-baby decision. I'm sorry you were fooled. Maybe women's motives are more obvious to me just because, ; but you were really trusting.

Thank you for your thoughts. I'll be the first to admit that I was fooled, I was trusting. But I don't think I was anymore trusting than people in love would normally be. If there is no trust in relationship, what's the point of being in one? You're right, we both agreed that a baby was out of the question for many reasons .. and yes, she had her own agenda and knew I would not run away from the child.

WADR, this is such a "man" position. SHE stopped the pill, SHE knew I didn't want a pregnancy, SHE knew how I am about my kids, SHE knew I wouldn't walk away from a baby. Apparently you knew deep inside that this wasn't a woman you could be with permanently but you still trusted her with total control over contraception.

It's not a man position, it's the real world and it happens .. and yes, I trusted her. But again I ask, what is relationship without trust?

You have my respect for taking on this huge responsibility but I have to ask, how did such a smart guy get taken in by these kinds of woman?

Thank you for the compliment, but as I've said many times to people who have said nice things when I was raising my girls alone .. there's nothing special about me. A great many men would raise thier children if given the opportunity and a fair review by the courts. Nothing special about me. When I seeing the woman who betrayed me, I was raising that woman in my avatar alone.

Life happens.

Hey, I'm Catholic. We're prime candidates for birth control that doesn't always work.

:0) So was the woman who betrayed me. Your name isn't Kim is it?

... just kiddin' :0)

Agreed. It's why I'm saying people in the dating world have to be very careful with their own choices, and with those they choose to trust.

We agree.

I guess you mean unmarried fathers.

I mean all fathers. Married ones often become unmarried. They move from being father to being daddy. They are not the same thing.

I believe kids should be raised in stable families, too. That's why both men and women have to take the utmost care over contraception if the relationship isn't about building a family together.

We agree

Thanks. For the most part we agree.

Yes we do and thank you my friend.

 

[blackascoal]

LOL

I wanted to post the study because I think the younguns here can use the help. I don't think they're getting much. Well, some of the olduns too.

:0)

The Joy of Semen.

I hadn't heard anything that exciting since the days of "free love." :0)