Mitt Romney’s Fair Share

How do you know it wasn't given from the heart? And what difference does that make as long as it's given? I don't see you asking people to give more in taxes from the heart, you seem to be fine with just taking that against their will. Since when did it become important as to why people give? Do charity organizations require you to sign something affirming you are giving from the heart? What percentage of your income have you given from the heart or otherwise?

What I see is, someone who has been schooled and pwned on something and doesn't want to admit it. Now he is running in circles trying to justify himself and explain how he could look so utterly stupid to the rest of us. It's as if the man can't possibly win... he gives 16% of his wealth benevolently, and you want to criticize that it wasn't given from the heart. So are you saying it would have been better if he had kept his money and not given? Well of course it would have been, because that way, you could say he was a greedy selfish bastard... this way, you can merely proclaim he has no heart. But if he gave 16% of his wealth, he must have SOME heart... it's illogical otherwise.

It makes all the difference in the world. America gives aid. Does it give aid to help others or to help itself?
If you give because you must you clearly want no say as to where it goes and in the case of the Morons it goes to build up stocks so they and they alone can survive long enough to get their space ships in come the next holocaust. Sorry, but where I come from that is not charity.
 
It makes all the difference in the world. America gives aid. Does it give aid to help others or to help itself?
If you give because you must you clearly want no say as to where it goes and in the case of the Morons it goes to build up stocks so they and they alone can survive long enough to get their space ships in come the next holocaust. Sorry, but where I come from that is not charity.

Where you come from, is so far out in never-never land; that you actually enjoy the stick you've got stuck up your ass.
 
It makes all the difference in the world.

It most certainly does not!

America gives aid. Does it give aid to help others or to help itself?

Does it poll Americans to see if it's in their hearts to give aid?
Does the recipient of the aid require it be given from our heart?
Should it not be given if it's not from our heart?

If you give because you must you clearly want no say as to where it goes and in the case of the Morons it goes to build up stocks so they and they alone can survive long enough to get their space ships in come the next holocaust. Sorry, but where I come from that is not charity.

Again, you can't possibly speak for what is in Mitt Romney's heart. You have absolutely no way of knowing that. Perhaps he has it in his heart to give because he is a Mormon? Perhaps we should all strive to be more like Mormons?
 
How do you know it wasn't given from the heart? And what difference does that make as long as it's given? I don't see you asking people to give more in taxes from the heart, you seem to be fine with just taking that against their will. Since when did it become important as to why people give? Do charity organizations require you to sign something affirming you are giving from the heart? What percentage of your income have you given from the heart or otherwise?

What I see is, someone who has been schooled and pwned on something and doesn't want to admit it. Now he is running in circles trying to justify himself and explain how he could look so utterly stupid to the rest of us. It's as if the man can't possibly win... he gives 16% of his wealth benevolently, and you want to criticize that it wasn't given from the heart. So are you saying it would have been better if he had kept his money and not given? Well of course it would have been, because that way, you could say he was a greedy selfish bastard... this way, you can merely proclaim he has no heart. But if he gave 16% of his wealth, he must have SOME heart... it's illogical otherwise.

The Mormons are a business not a charity and hence should not have charitable status.
 
The Mormons are a business not a charity and hence should not have charitable status.

No, you can't get away with blatant lies here. The Mormon church is a religious organization, not a business. They contribute to a wide array of charities around the globe, benefiting millions in need. To spew out some lie about them, is simply reprehensible. It's indicative of how far the left has fallen in just 4 short years.

Romney gave 16% of his wealth to charity... but that's not good enough for you. Truth be told, it wouldn't matter if he gave 100% to charity, you don't think it matters because it wasn't from his heart, or the 'charity' doesn't suit you.... or something.... it's always going to be something. How much, and to what charities, has The Obama given? Oh yeah, that's right, we don't know... we aren't allowed to even ask, or we're RACISTS! Right?
 
It makes all the difference in the world. America gives aid. Does it give aid to help others or to help itself?
If you give because you must you clearly want no say as to where it goes and in the case of the Morons it goes to build up stocks so they and they alone can survive long enough to get their space ships in come the next holocaust. Sorry, but where I come from that is not charity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDS_Humanitarian_Services

Emergency Response is the part of the LDS Church’s humanitarian efforts of which most people are aware. Funds and supplies in this area are used to help victims of natural disasters such as earthquakes, floods, droughts, tornadoes, and hurricanes, as well as other disasters such as wars or political unrest. Supplies in this area are gathered and stored before a crisis so supplies can be sent literally within hours of an emergency. Volunteers are also on call so if they are needed they can be reached and organized within a few hours. The LDS Church is renowned for its ability to organize its members in various regions of the world to respond to emergency and facilitate distributing goods immediately after a crisis, often before aid programs such as the Red Cross or the Salvation Army come to assist. In 2008, the LDS Church responded to 124 disasters in 48 countries.[2]

Wheelchair Distribution is another program of the LDS Church crucial to helping those in need. Studies estimate that only one percent of the disabled in the world have wheelchairs. For the rest, being without a wheelchair means for adults that they can not provide for themselves or their families, and for children it often means not being able to attend school. By providing wheelchairs to those in need, the LDS Church hopes to help people become more self-reliant which is an important tenant of LDS beliefs.[3]

The Clean Water Service provides clean water and wells to people who otherwise would most likely contract deadly diseases because of the dirty water. It is estimated that one billion people lack clean water. The clean water program is designed to partner with local community agencies to provide sustainable clean water.[4]

The Neonatal Resuscitation Program sends doctors and volunteers to areas where infant mortality rate is high. They are able to teach people in the area how to resuscitate newborns as well as provide simple medical equipment. This service is greatly needed as it is estimated that nearly 1 million newborns die each year due to birth difficulties. Up to 10% of newborns have breathing difficulties.[5]

The Vision Treatment Training Program teaches facilities and medical personnel in developing countries how to treat preventable or reversible blindness. There are 37 million people in the world who are blind, and up to 75 % of blindness is treatable. The vision care program works with local vision health care centers to help treat and prevent blindness for the poor.[6]

In addition to these efforts, the LDS Church also has over 300 job development and placement centers around the world. In 2001, the LDS Church began the Perpetual Education Fund which provides money to cover tuition and other school expenses to people in developing nations. As of 2007, tens of thousands of individuals had been given assistance. So far this program has operated primarily in South America and Oceana. The LDS Church has also begun producing a nutrition-rich porridge named Atmit to help during acute famines. The LDS Church Welfare Program owns farms, ranches, canneries, and other food producing facilities to provide temporary food relief for families and individuals. LDS Humanitarian Services frequently works with other charities and NGOs such as the Red Cross, Catholic charities and even various Islamic charities for which the LDS Church has produced halaal food.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Helping_Hands

Mormon Helping Hands is a name under which members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) perform volunteer community service. The Church officially established the program in 1998[2] in Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay and Chile to identify service being done by members of the LDS Church. That same year it was implemented on a large scale in Brazil as part of a country-wide day of service organized by the church. It has since been used in many countries.[3]
Mormon Helping Hands operates under the direction of local stake and district presidents and bishops. The activities are meant to provide community service and are not proselytizing in nature.
Mormon Helping Hands both responds to disasters such as hurricanes[4] and gives aid aimed at improving conditions caused by long-standing problems such as deterioration of parks that lack proper upkeep.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDS_Philanthropies

LDS Philanthropies is a department of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and is responsible for facilitating donations to humanitarian and education initiatives including Brigham Young University (Provo, Idaho, and Hawaii campuses), LDS Business College, and the Perpetual Education Fund.

While welfare programs within of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are generally for members, humanitarian donations are used to provide assistance in countries around the world to people without regard to race or religion. These donations provide assistance to victims of natural disasters, including aid such as hygiene kits, food and water, and blankets.[1] Current humanitarian projects include neonatal resuscitation training, wheelchair placement, eye surgery initiatives to help the blind, well drilling projects for water sources, and other health and wellness projects.

One hundred percent of all donations are used to help the needy (overhead for administering aid is paid from the general funds of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints).[2] Humanitarian aid deliveries are supervised by service missionaries who live and serve in countries around the world. In some parts of the world their efforts are best known by the volunteers in yellow t-shirts that say "Mormon Helping Hands".

Donations to education efforts helps to provide scholarships and create mentored learning opportunities for students from around the world. Brigham Young University Hawaii, for example, helps students from the Pacific Islands and Asia. The Perpetual Education Fund provides repayable loans for students in developing nations to obtain an education. When graduates become employed they repay the loan and the money is used to help another student.
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Wow... and not one word about funding spaceships for the next holocaust.
 
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No, you can't get away with blatant lies here. The Mormon church is a religious organization, not a business. They contribute to a wide array of charities around the globe, benefiting millions in need. To spew out some lie about them, is simply reprehensible. It's indicative of how far the left has fallen in just 4 short years.

Romney gave 16% of his wealth to charity... but that's not good enough for you. Truth be told, it wouldn't matter if he gave 100% to charity, you don't think it matters because it wasn't from his heart, or the 'charity' doesn't suit you.... or something.... it's always going to be something. How much, and to what charities, has The Obama given? Oh yeah, that's right, we don't know... we aren't allowed to even ask, or we're RACISTS! Right?

I maintain that their charity work is mostly window dressing and disguised recruitment. The Mormon Church is first and foremost a business, almost any fool knows that apart from you. The LDS church now admits that its five billion dollar real estate investment in downtown Salt Lake City was from its 'non profit' side.


http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-07-10/how-the-mormons-make-money

http://www.lds-mormon.com/time.shtml

http://exmormon.org/d6/drupal/Mormon-Church-City-Creek-Project-Now-at-5-Billion-Dollars-April-2012
 
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I maintain that their charity work is mostly window dressing and disguised recruitment.

You can "maintain" whatever the fuck you want to in light of the facts presented, that's entirely up to you. The list I presented is quite extensive and well-documented. Therefore, I "maintain" you are a moron who refuses to accept facts.

The Mormon Church is first and foremost a business, almost any fool knows that apart from you.

No sir. The Mormon Church is first and foremost a Church... it's in the title. Again, facts slapping you upside your goofy head, and you defiantly choose to remain stupid. That isn't my problem, bud.

The LDS church now admits that its five billion dollar real estate investment in downtown Salt Lake City was from its 'non profit' side.

Are non-profit organizations not allowed to own property now? Tell ya what asshole... why don't you give us a list of charity organizations who own no tangible property, then we can discuss this further. For the record, and in the spirit of truthfulness, 100% of all donations to LDS charity goes to those in need. The total operational cost is paid for out of the LDS general fund. Yes, members of churches do give money to their church, and the church owns property and real estate, and there is nothing illegal or unethical about that.
 
You can "maintain" whatever the fuck you want to in light of the facts presented, that's entirely up to you. The list I presented is quite extensive and well-documented. Therefore, I "maintain" you are a moron who refuses to accept facts.



No sir. The Mormon Church is first and foremost a Church... it's in the title. Again, facts slapping you upside your goofy head, and you defiantly choose to remain stupid. That isn't my problem, bud.



Are non-profit organizations not allowed to own property now? Tell ya what asshole... why don't you give us a list of charity organizations who own no tangible property, then we can discuss this further. For the record, and in the spirit of truthfulness, 100% of all donations to LDS charity goes to those in need. The total operational cost is paid for out of the LDS general fund. Yes, members of churches do give money to their church, and the church owns property and real estate, and there is nothing illegal or unethical about that.

Isn't there also the Church of Scientology? Are they a genuine church? Of course not, so tell me what a 'genuine church' is doing operating casinos?
 
Isn't there also the Church of Scientology? Are they a genuine church? Of course not, so tell me what a 'genuine church' is doing operating casinos?

We're not talking about Scientology. We're talking about Mitt Romney and whether the man has "given his fair share" and I think I've made a compelling argument he has. You wanted to claim his contributions to the Mormon Church didn't count because the Church was a "business" (which it's not). LowIQ wanted to claim the contributions didn't come from Romney's heart. (not provable and irrelevant anyway.) And then, when you are presented with a rather long list of legitimate charity works done by Romney's church, you want to ignore it and insist you are right, then veer off into a rant about Scientology.

See... here's the deal with you and LowIQ... it doesn't matter what Romney does, or how much of his wealth he has donated to help people in need, you don't really care about that. You want to continue advancing lies and distortions of fact, to push your meme of Romney being a rich greedy bastard who hasn't paid his fair share. What you are succeeding brilliantly at doing, is showing people what a despicable, self-absorbed, lying, partisan, hypocritical asshole you are.
 
We're not talking about Scientology. We're talking about Mitt Romney and whether the man has "given his fair share" and I think I've made a compelling argument he has. You wanted to claim his contributions to the Mormon Church didn't count because the Church was a "business" (which it's not). LowIQ wanted to claim the contributions didn't come from Romney's heart. (not provable and irrelevant anyway.) And then, when you are presented with a rather long list of legitimate charity works done by Romney's church, you want to ignore it and insist you are right, then veer off into a rant about Scientology.

See... here's the deal with you and LowIQ... it doesn't matter what Romney does, or how much of his wealth he has donated to help people in need, you don't really care about that. You want to continue advancing lies and distortions of fact, to push your meme of Romney being a rich greedy bastard who hasn't paid his fair share. What you are succeeding brilliantly at doing, is showing people what a despicable, self-absorbed, lying, partisan, hypocritical asshole you are.

I said that Scientologists call themselves a church but that doesn't make them one and the same is true of the Mormons. From the way that you get so aerated on the subject I can only deduce that you have some connection to Mormonism.

Much of that money that is donated in tithes goes to building new churches all over the world and funding Mormon missionaries, over 53,000 at last count and rising. The Mormons get over 5 billion a year in donations yet they say themselves that it has donated around $1 billion in cash and material assistance to 167 different countries in need of humanitarian aid since it started keeping track in 1985. So, in other words, in over 25 years they have received around 100 billion dollars in donations alone yet only one per cent of that has gone on charity.

Much of what is done in the Church is to bless and help those who are not Mormon. The Mormon Church has donated more than $1 billion in cash and material assistance to 167 different countries in need of humanitarian aid since it started keeping track in 1985. Many of these countries have few to no Mormons, but are also non-Christian. More than 53,000 Mormon missionaries serve through the world today.

http://mormon.org/faq/mormons-help-everyone/
 
You're not helping yourself here Tom. Again, if you want to discuss the legitimacy of the Scientology Church, start a thread about it, I'll probably join you in the bashfest. This thread you started about Mitt Romney and his Fair Share, and that's what we need to be talking about here. Trying to infer that the Mormon Church isn't a Church because you think Scientology isn't a Church, is a straw man, and a really bad one at that.

I posted the long list of charity works done by the Mormons worldwide. 100% of ALL DONATIONS TO LDS CHARITY goes to the needy. Church facilities and missions are built by the members of the church, not paid for out of charitable contributions.

I'm not a Mormon, and have no connection with their church. This doesn't mean I am going to join you in a deplorable bashfest against them, when the evidence shows they do a great deal to help people in need. You see, I have something you don't seem to have, a degree of integrity and honesty. I can admit that Mormons do a lot of great things to help those in need. It doesn't mean I want to be a Mormon, or I believe all the Mormons believe, or I think Mormons are better than everyone else. I can also admit that Romney has contributed a sizable chunk of his wealth to charity. It doesn't mean I will vote for him, or that this makes him suitable to be president. What it means is, your question of whether he has contributed his fair share has been answered. You just didn't like the answer because it didn't fit your meme.

But... that's not my problem.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDS_Humanitarian_Services

Emergency Response is the part of the LDS Church’s humanitarian efforts of which most people are aware. Funds and supplies in this area are used to help victims of natural disasters such as earthquakes, floods, droughts, tornadoes, and hurricanes, as well as other disasters such as wars or political unrest. Supplies in this area are gathered and stored before a crisis so supplies can be sent literally within hours of an emergency. Volunteers are also on call so if they are needed they can be reached and organized within a few hours. The LDS Church is renowned for its ability to organize its members in various regions of the world to respond to emergency and facilitate distributing goods immediately after a crisis, often before aid programs such as the Red Cross or the Salvation Army come to assist. In 2008, the LDS Church responded to 124 disasters in 48 countries.[2]

Wheelchair Distribution is another program of the LDS Church crucial to helping those in need. Studies estimate that only one percent of the disabled in the world have wheelchairs. For the rest, being without a wheelchair means for adults that they can not provide for themselves or their families, and for children it often means not being able to attend school. By providing wheelchairs to those in need, the LDS Church hopes to help people become more self-reliant which is an important tenant of LDS beliefs.[3]

The Clean Water Service provides clean water and wells to people who otherwise would most likely contract deadly diseases because of the dirty water. It is estimated that one billion people lack clean water. The clean water program is designed to partner with local community agencies to provide sustainable clean water.[4]

The Neonatal Resuscitation Program sends doctors and volunteers to areas where infant mortality rate is high. They are able to teach people in the area how to resuscitate newborns as well as provide simple medical equipment. This service is greatly needed as it is estimated that nearly 1 million newborns die each year due to birth difficulties. Up to 10% of newborns have breathing difficulties.[5]

The Vision Treatment Training Program teaches facilities and medical personnel in developing countries how to treat preventable or reversible blindness. There are 37 million people in the world who are blind, and up to 75 % of blindness is treatable. The vision care program works with local vision health care centers to help treat and prevent blindness for the poor.[6]

In addition to these efforts, the LDS Church also has over 300 job development and placement centers around the world. In 2001, the LDS Church began the Perpetual Education Fund which provides money to cover tuition and other school expenses to people in developing nations. As of 2007, tens of thousands of individuals had been given assistance. So far this program has operated primarily in South America and Oceana. The LDS Church has also begun producing a nutrition-rich porridge named Atmit to help during acute famines. The LDS Church Welfare Program owns farms, ranches, canneries, and other food producing facilities to provide temporary food relief for families and individuals. LDS Humanitarian Services frequently works with other charities and NGOs such as the Red Cross, Catholic charities and even various Islamic charities for which the LDS Church has produced halaal food.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Helping_Hands

Mormon Helping Hands is a name under which members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) perform volunteer community service. The Church officially established the program in 1998[2] in Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay and Chile to identify service being done by members of the LDS Church. That same year it was implemented on a large scale in Brazil as part of a country-wide day of service organized by the church. It has since been used in many countries.[3]
Mormon Helping Hands operates under the direction of local stake and district presidents and bishops. The activities are meant to provide community service and are not proselytizing in nature.
Mormon Helping Hands both responds to disasters such as hurricanes[4] and gives aid aimed at improving conditions caused by long-standing problems such as deterioration of parks that lack proper upkeep.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDS_Philanthropies

LDS Philanthropies is a department of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and is responsible for facilitating donations to humanitarian and education initiatives including Brigham Young University (Provo, Idaho, and Hawaii campuses), LDS Business College, and the Perpetual Education Fund.

While welfare programs within of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are generally for members, humanitarian donations are used to provide assistance in countries around the world to people without regard to race or religion. These donations provide assistance to victims of natural disasters, including aid such as hygiene kits, food and water, and blankets.[1] Current humanitarian projects include neonatal resuscitation training, wheelchair placement, eye surgery initiatives to help the blind, well drilling projects for water sources, and other health and wellness projects.

One hundred percent of all donations are used to help the needy (overhead for administering aid is paid from the general funds of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints).[2] Humanitarian aid deliveries are supervised by service missionaries who live and serve in countries around the world. In some parts of the world their efforts are best known by the volunteers in yellow t-shirts that say "Mormon Helping Hands".

Donations to education efforts helps to provide scholarships and create mentored learning opportunities for students from around the world. Brigham Young University Hawaii, for example, helps students from the Pacific Islands and Asia. The Perpetual Education Fund provides repayable loans for students in developing nations to obtain an education. When graduates become employed they repay the loan and the money is used to help another student.
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Wow... and not one word about funding spaceships for the next holocaust.

My goodness they have sold you well.
 
You're not helping yourself here Tom. Again, if you want to discuss the legitimacy of the Scientology Church, start a thread about it, I'll probably join you in the bashfest. This thread you started about Mitt Romney and his Fair Share, and that's what we need to be talking about here. Trying to infer that the Mormon Church isn't a Church because you think Scientology isn't a Church, is a straw man, and a really bad one at that.

I posted the long list of charity works done by the Mormons worldwide. 100% of ALL DONATIONS TO LDS CHARITY goes to the needy. Church facilities and missions are built by the members of the church, not paid for out of charitable contributions.

I'm not a Mormon, and have no connection with their church. This doesn't mean I am going to join you in a deplorable bashfest against them, when the evidence shows they do a great deal to help people in need. You see, I have something you don't seem to have, a degree of integrity and honesty. I can admit that Mormons do a lot of great things to help those in need. It doesn't mean I want to be a Mormon, or I believe all the Mormons believe, or I think Mormons are better than everyone else. I can also admit that Romney has contributed a sizable chunk of his wealth to charity. It doesn't mean I will vote for him, or that this makes him suitable to be president. What it means is, your question of whether he has contributed his fair share has been answered. You just didn't like the answer because it didn't fit your meme.

But... that's not my problem.

You are deliberately misconstruing what I said, I was just pointing out that calling yourself a church doesn't make you one and I gave Scientology as an example. I could have used the Moonies instead.
 
My goodness they have sold you well.

Sold me? I posted links from wikipedia.. public info baby! "They" haven't "sold" me anything... and if your punk ass wants to refute any of the charitable works listed, feel free to present your facts! Until then, we'll presume the facts presented to be true and accurate as stated.

You are doing the same thing Tom tried earlier... Just ignore and deny the facts and "maintain" you are right! What's next? You gonna try and derail the topic and rant about Scientology too? You two bozos have FAILED miserably. Just accept that and move on... it's no big deal! Apple and Jughead fail on an hourly basis.
 
You are deliberately misconstruing what I said, I was just pointing out that calling yourself a church doesn't make you one and I gave Scientology as an example. I could have used the Moonies instead.

Excuse me... is the thread title about who is and isn't a church??? Because on my screen, it says "Mitt Romney's Fair Share" and I thought that was what the topic was supposed to be. Yes, as irrelevant as it is, many groups claim to be churches and aren't. What the fuck does this have to do with the topic? Whether you think Mormonism is legitimate or not, whether they are a Church or not, has nothing to do with the charitable works they've done worldwide, or Romney's most generous contributions to that. Are you now going to try and claim charitable works don't count if they don't come from a legitimate church that you recognize as such? WTF? Do you CARE about helping the needy or prosthelytizing Atheism?
 
Sold me? I posted links from wikipedia.. public info baby! "They" haven't "sold" me anything... and if your punk ass wants to refute any of the charitable works listed, feel free to present your facts! Until then, we'll presume the facts presented to be true and accurate as stated.

You are doing the same thing Tom tried earlier... Just ignore and deny the facts and "maintain" you are right! What's next? You gonna try and derail the topic and rant about Scientology too? You two bozos have FAILED miserably. Just accept that and move on... it's no big deal! Apple and Jughead fail on an hourly basis.

The Mormon church has no real relevance outside America. It is classed as a cult but, as Tom quite correctly points out, in fact it is a business.
 
Sold me? I posted links from wikipedia.. public info baby! "They" haven't "sold" me anything... and if your punk ass wants to refute any of the charitable works listed, feel free to present your facts! Until then, we'll presume the facts presented to be true and accurate as stated.

You are doing the same thing Tom tried earlier... Just ignore and deny the facts and "maintain" you are right! What's next? You gonna try and derail the topic and rant about Scientology too? You two bozos have FAILED miserably. Just accept that and move on... it's no big deal! Apple and Jughead fail on an hourly basis.

I didn't deny that the Mormons engage in charity but pointed out that it is mostly done to recruit new members and that overall it is small beer compared to the donations that are received annually. The total amount spent worldwide is around 1 billion since 1985 and that is off the Mormon website, yet they have over 5 billion in 'investments' in Salt Lake city, much of which has tax exempt status. In other words the profits go to the Prophet!!
 
The Mormon church has no real relevance outside America. It is classed as a cult but, as Tom quite correctly points out, in fact it is a business.

No, it's NOT a business. To continue to insist that a non-profit organization is a "business" goes into a level of ignorance and stupidity we seldom see here. And that's fucking saying something, because we see an awful lot of ignorance and stupidity here. I presented a long list of charitable work the church does worldwide... can you refute any of that or not? Romney contributed about 16% of his total wealth to charity... can you refute that or not? Stop trying to switch topics and rail on Mormonism, that's NOT what the thread topic was about.
 
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