Slouching Towards Gomorrah

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Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline is a 1996 book by former United States Court of Appeals judge Robert H. Bork.

I don't agree with everything but there is much food for thought, essentially he seems to be saying that the old adage of throwing the baby out with the bath water is both applicable and salient.

Radical feminism is the most destructive and fanatical movement to come down to us from the Sixties. This is a revolutionary, not a reformist, movement, and it is meeting with considerable success. Totalitarian in spirit, it is deeply antagonistic to traditional Western culture and proposes the complete restructuring of society, morality, and human nature. Radical feminism is today's female counterpart of Sixties radicalism. The feminist program is in its main features the same as that of the disastrous Port Huron Statement, (2) modified to accommodate the belief that the oppressors, the source of all evil, are men, the "patriarchy" rather than the "Establishment." All else remains the same. "Feminism rode into our cultural life on the coattails of the New Left but by now it certainly deserves its own place in the halls of intellectual barbarisms." (3)

America has seen women's movements before, reform movements seeking for women the political and cultural privileges held by men. They represented what best-selling author and professor of philosophy Christina Hoff Sommers calls "equity feminism" to distinguish them from "gender feminism", the radical variety. She identifies herself as an equity feminist. (4) It would be better, I think, to drop the word "feminism" altogether since the movement no longer has a constructive role to play; its work is done. There are no artificial barriers left to women's achievement. That fact does not mollify the radicals in the slightest. Revolutions, it is commonly observed, often break out not when circumstances are next to intolerable but when conditions begin rapidly to improve. There are now more female than male students in universities, and women are entering business, the professions, and the academy in large numbers. Yet this seems only to fuel the rage of the feminists.

Indeed, Midge Decter thinks improvement is precisely the problem. She asks "why there should have been an explosion of angry demand on the part of women who as a group were the freest, healthiest, wealthiest, longest-lived, and most comfortably situated people the world had yet laid eyes on." (5) She answers that "It is a freedom that frightens her [today's woman] and disorients her and burdens her terribly ... The appeal to her of the women's movement is that in her fear and disorientation, the movement offers her the momentary escape contained in the idea that she is not free at all; that she is, on the contrary, the victim of an age-old conspiracy that everything troubling to her has been imposed on her by others." Decter has a profound point. A woman who formerly had a constricted range of choices "must now decide everything essential to her." Whether to be serious about a career, whether to marry, whether to divorce, whether to bear children. Everything is in her hands "to a degree possibly unprecedented in the history of mankind, a degree experienced by her as bordering on the intolerable." The responsibility is too much, the choices too many.

The radical feminist movement not only explains that any dissatisfaction she may experience is the fault of others, namely men, but also comforts her with a sense of solidarity and common purpose in the way that some men find the battalion a welcome relief from the freedom of civilian life. There is probably more to it than that, however. Radical feminism is not merely a way of discovering that a woman is not free. It is also a cause that creates an orientation and a meaning in her life that unstructured freedom destroys. Radical feminism is thus similar to causes such as the identity politics of the racial and ethnic programs on campuses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slouching_Towards_Gomorrah
 
The battle of the sexes is stupid. Many women were introduced FIRST AND FOREMOST to it from male chauvinism and then from radical feminism. Radical feminism is pretty much dead. Male chauvinism, not so much.
 
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Are you freaking serious right now? Judge Bork no less. Next you will be gushing about Ken Starr.

I specifically said that I didn't agree with everything he said but I find that his views on radical feminism have some resonance. I know that you are a very black and white guy, hence subtlety and nuance is not really your bag.

Bork served as Solicitor General in the U.S. Department of Justice from June 1973 to 1977. As Solicitor General, Bork argued several high profile cases before the Supreme Court in the 1970s, including 1974's Milliken v. Bradley, where Bork's brief in support of the State of Michigan was influential among the justices. Chief Justice Warren Burger called Bork the most effective counsel to appear before the Court during his tenure. Bork hired many young attorneys as Assistants who went on to have remarkable careers, including Judges Danny Boggs and Frank H. Easterbrook as well as Robert Reich, later Secretary of Labor in the Clinton Administration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bork
 
I specifically said that I didn't agree with everything he said but I find that his views on radical feminism have some resonance. I know that you are a very black and white guy, hence subtlety and nuance is not really your bag.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bork


A woman who formerly had a constricted range of choices "must now decide everything essential to her." Whether to be serious about a career, whether to marry, whether to divorce, whether to bear children. Everything is in her hands "to a degree possibly unprecedented in the history of mankind, a degree experienced by her as bordering on the intolerable." The responsibility is too much, the choices too many

Laughing my ass off. The poor dears. We've allowed them so much freedom, they now have too many choices! Whatever will they do? GFYS you patent misogynist.
 
I fail to see what in this you find salient. Here is my summary.

"Women should be scared to make choices and just rely on men to tell them what to do. But feminism makes them feel the need for the solidarity of other women."

I hope you don't have any daughters.
 
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Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline is a 1996 book by former United States Court of Appeals judge Robert H. Bork.

I don't agree with everything but there is much food for thought, essentially he seems to be saying that the old adage of throwing the baby out with the bath water is both applicable and salient.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slouching_Towards_Gomorrah

this post tries to tell us that women are poor frail things that have trouble making decisions on their own without the help of big strong men

i would suggest that you try to tell that to either of our daughters, they both have big brass ones and would take you apart

and if you think that means that they are not feminine, you would have another thought if you ever meet either one of them
 
[h=3]Bork's Record[/h]The Supreme Court for a number of years had been equally divided among justices who supported an activist role in matters of social policy—such as affirmative action and women's rights—and those who preferred to interpret the Constitution strictly, basing many of their decisions on arguments that the Court should not step into legislative and political affairs, which rested with the two other branches of government. Powell had been widely considered the pivotal justice in decisions affecting those considerations, siding frequently with the “activists.” Bork, in contrast, was a conservative. His statements on abortion and the role of the federal courts and his decisions on the appeals court suggested he would have tilted the Supreme Court to the right.
Bork's four years as U.S. solicitor general had thrust him into the spotlight. Following President Nixon's order, Bork fired special Watergate prosecutor Archibald Cox in 1973, after Attorney General Elliot L. Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William D. Ruckelshaus resigned their offices rather than fire Cox. The incident quickly became known as the “Saturday night massacre” and prompted the introduction of impeachment resolutions against Nixon.
Bork left the Justice Department in 1977 to teach at Yale University. In 1981 he returned to Washington, where he practiced law until Reagan appointed him to the appeals court in 1982. Bork remained in the public eye through provocative interviews, extensive legal writings, and congressional testimony. In a 1981 appearance before a Senate Judiciary subcommittee, for example, Bork said that the high Court's 1973 Roe v. Wadedecision, which established a constitutional right to abortion, was “an unconstitutional decision, a serious and wholly unjustifiable usurpation of state legislative authority. [The decision] is by no means the only example of such unconstitutional behavior by the Supreme Court.”
The Court majority had premised the Roe decision on a right of privacy, a doctrine Bork rejected in a 1984 decision upholding a Navy policy prohibiting homosexual activity. Dissenters on the appeals court challenged his conclusion, contending that Bork was substituting his “preferences for the constitutional principles established by the Supreme Court.”
Earlier in his career, Bork had criticized the Supreme Court under Chief Justice Earl Warren, a Court that was responsible for historic civil rights advances and new protections for the rights of criminal defendants. Chastising the Court for “judicial activism,” Bork wrote in 1977
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that “We have also damaged law, and created disrespect for it, through our failure to observe the distinction, essential to democracy, between judges and legislators.” Bork continued, “The era of the Warren Court was, in my opinion, deeply harmful to the prestige of law.”

http://www.cqpress.com/incontext/SupremeCourt/bork_confirmation.htm

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eah, he's a real winner, Tom, lol.
 
this post tries to tell us that women are poor frail things that have trouble making decisions on their own without the help of big strong men

i would suggest that you try to tell that to either of our daughters, they both have big brass ones and would take you apart

and if you think that means that they are not feminine, you would have another thought if you ever meet either one of them

:lov1:

Nevermind, Rune's gonna get mad at me again.
 
A woman who formerly had a constricted range of choices "must now decide everything essential to her." Whether to be serious about a career, whether to marry, whether to divorce, whether to bear children. Everything is in her hands "to a degree possibly unprecedented in the history of mankind, a degree experienced by her as bordering on the intolerable." The responsibility is too much, the choices too many

Laughing my ass off. The poor dears. We've allowed them so much freedom, they now have too many choices! Whatever will they do? GFYS you patent misogynist.

Unfortunately you are not the sharpest tool in the box, which is why you are incapable of advancing an argument. Sloganising and agitprop are poor substitutes.
 
Unfortunately you are not the sharpest tool in the box, which is why you are incapable of advancing an argument. Sloganising and agitprop are poor substitutes.

Well then what point did you find to be of value. The battle of the sexes is stupid. What is most to blame for it? Male chauvinism.
 
Well then what point did you find to be of value. The battle of the sexes is stupid. What is most to blame for it? Male chauvinism.

I don't disagree that Robert Bork erred towards conservatism but he was shot down by that toerag Ted Kennedy. That he wasn't even allowed to remain in politics after causing the death of Mary Jo Kopechne is beyond me.
 
Unfortunately you are not the sharpest tool in the box, which is why you are incapable of advancing an argument. Sloganising and agitprop are poor substitutes.

You print this drivel, then tell me I am not the sharpest tool?

It would be better, I think, to drop the word "feminism" altogether since the movement no longer has a constructive role to play; its work is done. There are no artificial barriers left to women's achievement. That fact does not mollify the radicals in the slightest. Revolutions, it is commonly observed, often break out not when circumstances are next to intolerable but when conditions begin rapidly to improve. There are now more female than male students in universities, and women are entering business, the professions, and the academy in large numbers. Yet this seems only to fuel the rage of the feminists

The work is done, really Tom? Do you happen to recall that the Equal Rights Amendment failed ratification? That women still work for 80% of what men earn?
I am done on this thread, it is too ridiculous, but I am going to keep laughing as you get torn to shreds.
 
I don't disagree that Robert Bork erred towards conservatism but he was shot down by that toerag Ted Kennedy. That he wasn't even allowed to remain in politics after causing the death of Mary Jo Kopechne is beyond me.

Really fucking Tom? Without Teddy this country would be a shambles for the working poor and the indigent. Stop talking about what you don't fucking know about.
 
You print this drivel, then tell me I am not the sharpest tool?

It would be better, I think, to drop the word "feminism" altogether since the movement no longer has a constructive role to play; its work is done. There are no artificial barriers left to women's achievement. That fact does not mollify the radicals in the slightest. Revolutions, it is commonly observed, often break out not when circumstances are next to intolerable but when conditions begin rapidly to improve. There are now more female than male students in universities, and women are entering business, the professions, and the academy in large numbers. Yet this seems only to fuel the rage of the feminists

The work is done, really Tom? Do you happen to recall that the Equal Rights Amendment failed ratification? That women still work for 80% of what men earn?
I am done on this thread, it is too ridiculous, but I am going to keep laughing as you get torn to shreds.

As was asked the other day, how many women earn less for doing the exact same job? If the US is anything like the UK, there has been a phenomenon recently where women are recruited in preference to men.
 
Really fucking Tom? Without Teddy this country would be a shambles for the working poor and the indigent. Stop talking about what you don't fucking know about.

I thought you said you were done? So which part of Chappaquiddick did I get wrong? Isn't that just up the road from you, maybe you could go and ask the locals for their views?
 
You print this drivel, then tell me I am not the sharpest tool?

It would be better, I think, to drop the word "feminism" altogether since the movement no longer has a constructive role to play; its work is done. There are no artificial barriers left to women's achievement. That fact does not mollify the radicals in the slightest. Revolutions, it is commonly observed, often break out not when circumstances are next to intolerable but when conditions begin rapidly to improve. There are now more female than male students in universities, and women are entering business, the professions, and the academy in large numbers. Yet this seems only to fuel the rage of the feminists

The work is done, really Tom? Do you happen to recall that the Equal Rights Amendment failed ratification? That women still work for 80% of what men earn?
I am done on this thread, it is too ridiculous, but I am going to keep laughing as you get torn to shreds.

It is an economic fallacy that women work for 80% of what men work for. How did you get so gullible?
 
I specifically said that I didn't agree with everything he said but I find that his views on radical feminism have some resonance. I know that you are a very black and white guy, hence subtlety and nuance is not really your bag.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bork

Rune can't recognize those that are clearly superior to him in intellect, academia, achievements and station and just can't tolerate that they are politically on the right....
Some of Bork's many accomplishments,

He earned bachelor's and law degrees from the University of Chicago,
was awarded a Phi Beta Kappa key with his law degree and passed the bar in Illinois

Served in the United States Marine Corps.

Taught as a Yale Law School professor. Among his students were Bill Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Anita Hill, Robert Reich, Jerry Brown, John R. Bolton

Served as circuit judge for the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.
Served as Solicitor General in the U.S. Department of Justice
Served as Acting Attorney General and nominated to the US Supreme Court.

By any measurment pRune....you are a loser and far inferior in EVERY way.

You're incapable of analyzing even a simple issue and formulating a coherent conclusion of your own.....you do nothing but parrot the left wing line like it was the Gospel of the Almighty.....they tell you what to say and repeat that same crap over and over.....don't grasp character assassination when it hits you in the face but then will not tolerate even minor unflattering opinions of a lefty....you're a hack and not even a smart one.
 
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I thought you said you were done? So which part of Chappaquiddick did I get wrong? Isn't that just up the road from you, maybe you could go and ask the locals for their views?

I don't have to, shithead, I knew Ted personally, in fact, he painted a picture of his sailboat for my parents. One of his nephews is presently my client. You are just frigging clueless. Ted was the first person to call out Bush II in public (on the Senate floor). Like I said, shut up about what you don't know about.
 
I can't recognize those that are clearly superior to me in intellect, academia, achievements and station and just can't tolerate that.

By any measurment I are a loser and far inferior in EVERY way.


Fixed that for you Blabo.

Poor Blabo.
 
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