Obama one of the Greats!

Your spin is that Congress passed the resolution and then said to Bush, now you decide what you want to do...

Well, airhead, it didn't happen that way.....Bush asked Congress to decide and thats what they did.....not visa versa ....

Without the vote in Congress there would be no Iraq war....thats obvious to everyone but you....Congress made the final decision, the decision that determined
what followed.....a no vote, no war...its that simple.

Thats history. Thats here on the net for anyone to look up....thats the chronology of events.....and no amount of lefty spin will change that chronology....
 
You're living on another planet.

Congress didn't "decide" to invade. I've never heard anyone argue that - no Republican, not even Bush, who has said he was the "decider."

You characterize it like Bush had no choice after Congress voted. He did. He had ALL of the choice, and he made the decision. Don't be such a hack.
 
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You're living on another planet.

Congress didn't "decide" to invade. I've never heard anyone argue that - no Republican, not even Bush, who has said he was the "decider."

You characterize it like Bush had no choice after Congress voted. He did. He had ALL of the choice, and he made the decision. Don't be such a hack.
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You're obsessed with the word invade, the TACTICS used.....When Congress declared war on Japan, did that vote specifically say they were to invade the island, use cannons, use any particular tactic ?
War is war....Congress DOES NOT vote on specific tactics, never did and never will...that is left to the military commanders with the consent of the CIC.

THIS is the undeniable fact....
Without the vote in Congress there would be no Iraq war....thats obvious to everyone but you....Congress made the final decision, the decision that determined
what followed.....a no vote, no war...its that simple.
They didn't vote on how the war would be waged, they just agreed it would be waged....how was a military decision in agreement with the CIC, George Bush....and obviously, ground troops, air strikes and whatever other assorted equipment necessary, was the tactics agreed upon....

a no vote, no war.....THEY made the final decision.

Did Obama order what specific weapons, what aircraft, what targets, to attack when he unilaterally ordered strikes against Libya.....without Congressional approval ?
Only an idiot would argue that...he would be clueless about weapons and tactics. Those decisions were military.

You gotta start reasoning like a grownup.
 
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Why are so many people forgetting that this was not the START of a new war; but instead, was the continuation of a previous one where a cease fire had been called.
There was no decleration of peace between the original parties.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Why are so many people forgetting that this was not the START of a new war; but instead, was the continuation of a previous one where a cease fire had been called.
There was no decleration of peace between the original parties.
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Thats got a lot of truth to it.....the Bush 1 Iraq War coalition had definite stipulations attached, or it would not have existed as a coalition.....
I believe it was the Saudis, along with others in the ME, that absolutely forbid Bush from entering Baghdad after he kicked Saddams troops out of Kuwait....and there was
boots on the ground in that war too....in Kuwait....
 
bravo said:
You're obsessed with the word invade, the TACTICS used.....When Congress declared war on Japan, did that vote specifically say they were to invade the island, use cannons, use any particular tactic ?
War is war....Congress DOES NOT vote on specific tactics, never did and never will...that is left to the military commanders with the consent of the CIC.

THIS is the undeniable fact....
Without the vote in Congress there would be no Iraq war....thats obvious to everyone but you....Congress made the final decision, the decision that determined
what followed.....a no vote, no war...its that simple.
They didn't vote on how the war would be waged, they just agreed it would be waged....how was a military decision in agreement with the CIC, George Bush....and obviously, ground troops, air strikes and whatever other assorted equipment necessary, was the tactics agreed upon....

a no vote, no war.....THEY made the final decision.

Did Obama order what specific weapons, what aircraft, what targets, to attack when he unilaterally ordered strikes against Libya.....without Congressional approval ?
Only an idiot would argue that...he would be clueless about weapons and tactics. Those decisions were military.

You gotta start reasoning like a grownup.
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You make it sound like Bush had no choice after the vote. That war was going to happen no matter what he did - that the actual decision was out of his control.

That's a pathetic rewrite of history. You're really far gone. Like I said - even Bush wouldn't attempt to argue that.
 
Thing1 said:
You make it sound like Bush had no choice after the vote. That war was going to happen no matter what he did - that the actual decision was out of his control.

That's a pathetic rewrite of history. You're really far gone. Like I said - even Bush wouldn't attempt to argue that.
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The war was NOT going to happen without approval from Congress and that is undeniable truth of the matter.....

Of course, Bush could have changed his mind about it at any time, .....in this case he asked and got Congressional consent to continue, and he didn't change his mind,.

In that order and thats an important point...in that order....his decision was done with, it was made before the vote and congress was aware of it, everyone was.....

Without approval from congress there would be no war with Iraq...it was in their hands.....
Congress could have stopped the war before it began.

I've never heard the claim that Bush would have gone ahead with the Iraq War plan, in direct opposition with Congress....


Put simply, when you ask Congress to approve anything you propose, you are by default, putting the decision in their hands.
 
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Quick question - are you dizzy?

Another question - why do you feel that you owe this to Bush? I assure you: he doesn't care. He knows he made the decision.
 
Thing1 said:
Quick question - are you dizzy?

Another question - why do you feel that you owe this to Bush? I assure you: he doesn't care. He knows he made the decision.
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Like I just told Christiefan...."Someones got to put the lies and exaggerations and spin into some kind of perspective....."

The spin is mind-boggling....events and words taken out context or out of the time frame they happened in can be used to spin lies or ridicule when it is undeserved....

We all act in good faith on what we believe at the time even if it turns out to be wrong.....words uttered about one subject can be used to distort issues on a different subject....

Of course he made the decision to oust Saddam....but that doesn't tell the whole story in the context of the time or in any real detail does it ?
He made the decision
He then sought Congressional approval
and then he acted
no one disagrees with that, and that is the timeline which means a great deal to your assertions.....

As for the tactics used, I will contend it was a military decision...of course driven by the desired outcome, to rid the country of Saddam, just as I'd say Obamas desired outcome
in Libya was to assist the rebellion and the military decided what tactics to use to accomplish that....Planning for Iraq War took a lot of time over many months and I'd be
hard pressed to think the military was not heavily involved in the tactics from the start....Bush is no expert on waging war either....

Without that Congressional approval, there would probably never have been an Iraq War and Saddam would be livin' large in his palace.....
therefore its more than reasonable to conclude that Congress had power stop these events before they happened
 
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It's weird, but it's actually sad to see someone that far gone.
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Well, being as narrow-minded and partisan as you are it must be "weird" to debate someone that is just the opposite.....
Its not really difficult to look at and evaluate issues form both perspectives....well, for you it might be....
Every conflict has at least two sides and a time frame that is totally pertinent to arriving at conclusions based on logic and not political bias....though it must not
look that way to you....

I've taken to debating the lefties only because they are so .....so....so brainwashed by half truths and a biased media....ignoring the importance of context and when and why an
event happened....but at least you've been relatively civil in this long give and take.....as is Christiefan and thats refreshing in itself....
 
I'm being civil because I feel bad for you as a human being. I'm an empathetic person; it's hard to see someone think as you do, and make arguments that even the most extreme partisans wouldn't even attempt.

To close it out, Congress did not "decide" to invade. Period.
 
the goal was Bush's decision.....Congress decided on WAR.........the tactics were military decisions....in that order.
 
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the goal was Bush's decision.....Congress decided on WAR.........the tactics were military decisions....in that order.
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I'll keep teaching you on this if I have to, professor. Congress didn't decide on war. Congress decided to give Bush the authority to use force if he so chose, if inspections didn't work, if diplomacy didn't work, and if there were no other options.

Nothing about that vote made war or invasion inevitable. Were they stupid to trust Bush? Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that they made no decision to "go to war." Bush made that decision himself.
 
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I'll keep teaching you on this if I have to, professor. Congress didn't decide on war. Congress decided to give Bush the authority to use force if he so chose, if inspections didn't work, if diplomacy didn't work, and if there were no other options.

Nothing about that vote made war or invasion inevitable. Were they stupid to trust Bush? Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that they made no decision to "go to war." Bush made that decision himself.
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You insist on getting it backwards to suit you preconceived conclusions....Bush already made that decision to oust Saddam, by force if necessary, but only with the support of Congress.
It was his idea to ask for Congressional approval.....THEY made the final determination.....without that approval, there is no war....
you can't change the chronology of events to satisfy your hatred of Bush....no matter how hard you find the truth to be.....

Now we're done ....your broken record repetition is getting boring....and you get the last word.
 
Thing1 said:
I'll keep teaching you on this if I have to, professor. Congress didn't decide on war. Congress decided to give Bush the authority to use force if he so chose, if inspections didn't work, if diplomacy didn't work, and if there were no other options.

Nothing about that vote made war or invasion inevitable. Were they stupid to trust Bush? Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that they made no decision to "go to war." Bush made that decision himself.
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Just interjecting; but where in this entire situation, is there a written reference that "Congress decided to give Bush the authority to use force if he so chose, if inspections didn't work, if diplomacy didn't work, and if there were no other options"?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Just interjecting; but where in this entire situation, is there a written reference that "Congress decided to give Bush the authority to use force if he so chose, if inspections didn't work, if diplomacy didn't work, and if there were no other options"?
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All you have to do is look at comments by Congress AND the WH on the day it passed.

But I love how you have issue with that, and not w/ the fact that hacks here are asserting that Congress decided to invade, and not Bush. That invasion was inevitable as soon as the resolution passed, and 100% out of Bush's hands.

I love that.
 
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All you have to do is look at comments by Congress AND the WH on the day it passed.

But I love how you have issue with that, and not w/ the fact that hacks here are asserting that Congress decided to invade, and not Bush. That invasion was inevitable as soon as the resolution passed, and 100% out of Bush's hands.

I love that.
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Where are the "IF" conditions, that you referred to, in writing?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Just interjecting; but where in this entire situation, is there a written reference that "Congress decided to give Bush the authority to use force if he so chose, if inspections didn't work, if diplomacy didn't work, and if there were no other options"?
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Take notice how slick she is in evading your clear, direct question.....enjoy yourself USF.....but reasoning with the unreasonable is a losing battle.....

what the cowardly hypocrites said the day after the vote now sits in place of the official document.....like they voted on what they were going to
say a day in the future.....its laughable.....
 
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